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Useful Idiot
Jun 11, 2009
Well I ended up going with the 13" 256GB/8GB Pro anyway, ought to have more oomph than the basic Air.

Somehow I always thought that using OSX would be fairly similar to some Linux desktop environments, but holy poo poo am I lost in this environment.

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jototo
Sep 3, 2003

My one year of warranty is almost up on my MacBook Air, is there any good reason I shouldn't buy Apple Care from eBay for a discount price? I've seen it on there for ~$180 whereas it's $250 from Apple.

Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte

jototo posted:

My one year of warranty is almost up on my MacBook Air, is there any good reason I shouldn't buy Apple Care from eBay for a discount price? I've seen it on there for ~$180 whereas it's $250 from Apple.

As long as it's not *too* cheap.

Apple Care can require proof of purchase if they suspect the code is fraudulent. If it's been purchased from a non Authorised reseller, they can and do invalidate it.

Often B&H Photo is the recommended place to check for cheap, legit Apple Care.

IUG
Jul 14, 2007


Nobody Reads the OP posted:

:siren: ABOUT APPLECARE PRICES THAT SEEM TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE :siren:

Any price for AppleCare that seems too heavily discounted (like less than half price) is very likely to be a scam; and while an AppleCare code that someone sells you through email, with no paperwork at all from Apple might work initially, it will very likely get pulled out from under you like a cheap rug at some point. It's less likely to be a ripoff if the place you're buying from is an Apple Authorized Service Center.

ABOUT EBAY APPLECARE PURCHASES ONLY - Read this guide from eBay BEFORE you decide to buy a really cheap AppleCare code from eBay; if you still want to piss your money away, go right ahead.

jototo
Sep 3, 2003

Yeast posted:

As long as it's not *too* cheap.

Apple Care can require proof of purchase if they suspect the code is fraudulent. If it's been purchased from a non Authorised reseller, they can and do invalidate it.

Often B&H Photo is the recommended place to check for cheap, legit Apple Care.

B&H Has about that same price. I'll just buy it there then.


That link does not work for me.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade


Here's an eBay guide that faithfully follows the intended link:

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Beware-of-Fake-Applecare-Protection-Plans-/10000000017131815/g.html

Simply put, there is a danger if you get a keygen made code, it might work for a time but then some internal Apple process might eventually invalidate it.

Donald Kimball
Sep 2, 2011

PROUD FATHER OF THIS TURD ------>



SourKraut posted:

Mobile Broadwell should release sometime between the end of the Back-to-School period and the start of the Holiday season. With the updates often happened in October I would imagine the entire Apple mobile Mqc lineup plus even maybe the Mini could be updated.

Is there any reason for me to wait to buy a new computer for school? Would waiting for a Broadwell rMBP or the 12" rMBA be wiser than buying a current rMBP?

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Donald Kimball posted:

Is there any reason for me to wait to buy a new computer for school? Would waiting for a Broadwell rMBP or the 12" rMBA be wiser than buying a current rMBP?

If you need it now/before school starts, buy it now/before school starts. If you think you can wait until Broadwell ships (estimates peg it "by the holiday season" and the overwhelming consensus is that it'll happen after the back-to-school period ends, so think September-November at the earliest) then I'd probably do that.

Broadwell's supposedly going to push Haswell's energy/performance ratio another 40% which is definitely nothing to sneeze at but we won't really know anything about what the 2014 crop of Macs will or won't be until their press conference is actually held. This isn't like when Thunderbolt or retina displays were added and there was several months'-worth of supply chain info and leaks to give the rumor mill a solid "dollars-to-donuts" guess about new specs and features.

Canned Sunshine
Nov 20, 2005

CAUTION: POST QUALITY UNDER CONSTRUCTION



Donald Kimball posted:

Is there any reason for me to wait to buy a new computer for school? Would waiting for a Broadwell rMBP or the 12" rMBA be wiser than buying a current rMBP?
e; fb but leaving it

If you need it now, no. If it's more of a want than a need then maybe, but once again it depends on what exactly you'll be using it for. The last time I heard I believe that the variable size L4 EDRAM was making its way to the entire mobile lineup with Broadwell which should yield a decent performance increase for both CPU compute and GPU usage situations.

But every generation shows performance improvements so it all falls back on if you need it now go for it (you'll very much enjoy it) but if you having something more than functional now than it's up to you.

Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009
AASPs are like the hidden gem of AppleCare purchases. They get it cheap so they'll almost always cut you a deal, and it's registered automatically/immediately with Apple so you can even buy it on the last day of your year grace period.

buglord
Jul 31, 2010

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Buglord
So I picked up a rMBP. Startup time is insane. It's like the MacBook is coming out of sleep mode. :stare:

Butt Savage
Aug 23, 2007
The first time I restarted mine, I thought I had accidentally clicked log out instead. I restarted, turned around to do something for a sec and I turned back around to the login screen. SSDs are amazing.

vty
Nov 8, 2007

oh dott, oh dott!

Useful Idiot posted:

Well I ended up going with the 13" 256GB/8GB Pro anyway, ought to have more oomph than the basic Air.

Somehow I always thought that using OSX would be fairly similar to some Linux desktop environments, but holy poo poo am I lost in this environment.

It takes a good couple of months to get used to it. I absolutely hated OSX for a long time. Once I really spent time bootstrapping and setting up my environment with stuff like YADR ( https://github.com/skwp/dotfiles ) it's been hard to use anything else.

Get rid of Finder ASAP, though. That thing is a pile of poo poo and an embarrassment to any file explorer. I bought pathfinder awhile back for like $8 on some bundle sale.

Astro7x
Aug 4, 2004
Thinks It's All Real
Have a 2008 Mac Pro, I THINK my main hard drive is failing (using all 4 slots right now, with one drive being a Time Machine drive that backs up the other 3). Is this a good plan of action?

-Clone my start up drive to a 500GB External Lacie Rugged FW800 drive that I have. Use this as a boot drive, see if I am still having issues.
-If the computer runs fine with another drive as the start up drive, ditch the current start up drive and replace it with a 500GB SSD

What is the best way of installing a SSD in my Mac Pro? I was considering just getting one of those $20 Icy Dock enclosure things. And is there anything special I need to do to get a SSD running as my primary start up drive? I am so used to SATA drives where I just plug it in and format.

And then finally, if I do swap out the hard drive, is there any harm in booting with the external, upgrading the OS to Mavericks (currently on Snow Lion), and giving that a try to see if there is any problems? And if it is not running well, just change the boot drive back to the internal one?

suddenlyissoon
Feb 17, 2002

Don't be sad that I am gone.

WHAT A GOOD DOG posted:

I thought they were planning to pop in Broadwells into the rMBPs by the end of the year?

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/09/broadwell-early-to-mid-2015/

Not anymore it appears! It sucks for me since I'm due for an upgrade at work and now I have to wait even longer on the Retina iMac's to show up, apparently.

Donald Kimball
Sep 2, 2011

PROUD FATHER OF THIS TURD ------>



suddenlyissoon posted:

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/09/broadwell-early-to-mid-2015/

Not anymore it appears! It sucks for me since I'm due for an upgrade at work and now I have to wait even longer on the Retina iMac's to show up, apparently.

Well drat.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

suddenlyissoon posted:

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/07/09/broadwell-early-to-mid-2015/

Not anymore it appears! It sucks for me since I'm due for an upgrade at work and now I have to wait even longer on the Retina iMac's to show up, apparently.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I've been due for a workstation upgrade for a while. Oh, well. It's just another couple of months and in the meantime, I just got my laptop refreshed a couple months ago.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream
I currently have an 11in 2012 Air (128GB, 4GB) and while I love the thing, it's getting to the point where I need more screen real estate, more storage and more RAM. I work in finance and need to be able to do some good ol spreadsheetin' while away from work. I currently am running a VM with Excel, which is less than optimal but I simply don't have enough storage to have a bootcamp partition, which would make better use of my limited RAM.

In a perfect world, I'd be able to run essentially 3 "desktops": 1 mac desktop with my personal stuff on it (I prefer OSX for non-work stuff), 1 remote desktop into my work computer (to retrieve files as needed), and 1 VM running windows where I can actually do excel, outlook, etc. Alternatively, I'd just bootcamp into windows and run the RDP and all my office stuff on that. I think a 256GB SSD should be enough for that.

So that brings me to which laptop to buy. I still have an edu email so I could use the education discount and get the $100 gift card (which is as good as cash to me because I'll probably buy $100 in accessories either way). Here are the options:

13in Refurb (Late 2013) ($1270): http://store.apple.com/us-hed/product/FE865LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macbook-air-13ghz-dual-core-intel-core-i5
13in New (Late 2013) ($1400, with $100 gift card): http://store.apple.com/us-hed/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=ME865LL/A&step=config
15in Refurb (Early 2013) ($1660): http://store.apple.com/us-hed/product/FE664LL/A/refurbished-154-inch-macBook-Pro-24ghz-Quad-core-Intel-i7-with-retina-Display
15in Refurb (Late 2013) ($1660): http://store.apple.com/us-hed/product/FE293LL/A/refurbished-154-inch-macbook-pro-20ghz-quad-core-intel-i7-with-retina-display

I have a few questions:
1) Is the 13in enough screen real estate for you excel gurus? I've been making do with an 11in, so anything will be an upgrade...
2) Can this run Civ5? That's pretty much the only game I plan on playing on this thing and I want it to run it well enough in Bootcamp.
3) If the best choice is the 15in, should I get the Early or Late 2013 version? They're both the same price, but the Early-2013 version has the Nvidia GPU, which could be good for Civ5 but presumably would hurt battery life?

Frankly I'm leaning towards the 15in in terms of functionality due to the graphics and screen size, but the 13in is so much cheaper and presumably could do everything I need it to do.

[tell] me what to buy

Erwin
Feb 17, 2006

You'd probably be happier with the 15" for crazy Excel stuff, however, if your eyesight is good, you can crank up the resolution on the 13" and work that way. As for your three desktop thing, I've found OS X perfect for this. Microsoft's remote desktop app for OS X supports the fullscreen functionality, so it becomes its own workspace that you can three-finger swipe into and out of. Same thing with VMware Fusion, and even better, Fusion can just plop Excel as a window into your OS X desktop. A Windows 8 VM with Excel 2013 handles the retina screen perfectly and looks beautiful (the only downside being that you have to use Excel 2013 :barf: )

I haven't run Civ 5 on my late 2013 13", but I've heard good things.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

The 13" has so much more stinkin' room than the 11" it's not funny.

Super-NintendoUser
Jan 16, 2004

COWABUNGERDER COMPADRES
Soiled Meat

Erwin posted:

You'd probably be happier with the 15" for crazy Excel stuff, however, if your eyesight is good, you can crank up the resolution on the 13" and work that way. As for your three desktop thing, I've found OS X perfect for this. Microsoft's remote desktop app for OS X supports the fullscreen functionality, so it becomes its own workspace that you can three-finger swipe into and out of. Same thing with VMware Fusion, and even better, Fusion can just plop Excel as a window into your OS X desktop. A Windows 8 VM with Excel 2013 handles the retina screen perfectly and looks beautiful (the only downside being that you have to use Excel 2013 :barf: )

I do exactly this and it works perfectly on my 13" rMBP. I don't game, though, so I can't speak to that.

OSX window management and multiple desktops is so much better than anything in Windows. It's worth the extra cost for that feature alone.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream
Is there anyone with a Late-2013 13in RMBP who can try running civ5?

ShadeofBlue
Mar 17, 2011

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Is there anyone with a Late-2013 13in RMBP who can try running civ5?

What's your threshold for being happy with how it runs? I can play it on my 2009 C2D MacBook Pro, at lowest settings, but it's a bit laggy. I'd be surprised if a 2013 laptop couldn't run it in a way that was acceptable for most people.

moon demon
Sep 11, 2001

of the moon, of the dream

ShadeofBlue posted:

What's your threshold for being happy with how it runs? I can play it on my 2009 C2D MacBook Pro, at lowest settings, but it's a bit laggy. I'd be surprised if a 2013 laptop couldn't run it in a way that was acceptable for most people.

Medium settings without lag would be ideal. On my Air it's laggy with low settings, which makes me not want to play it due to the lag. I'd be OK with no lag on low settings, but if the "Iris Pro" graphics in the 15in are really that much better than the regular "Iris" graphics in the 13in, I might be convinced (along with the other factors like the screen size).

suddenlyissoon
Feb 17, 2002

Don't be sad that I am gone.

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Is there anyone with a Late-2013 13in RMBP who can try running civ5?

I run it occasionally. It works fairly well, but drat if it doesn't get hot. I'm on the 2.6 i5 with 16gb RAM.

PRADA SLUT
Mar 14, 2006

Inexperienced,
heartless,
but even so

suddenlyissoon posted:

I run it occasionally. It works fairly well, but drat if it doesn't get hot. I'm on the 2.6 i5 with 16gb RAM.

It's the game's coding. Civ 5 doesn't have any power-saving features, FPS limiting, or the like. Normally you can frame limit games at 60-100 fps to save power (heat, battery), but Civ 5 lacks this feature.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

So since Broadwell isn't coming to Macbook Pros this year, should I trust this July 13th release date for rMBPs or just pull the trigger and buy one at these low prices.

japtor
Oct 28, 2005

WHAT A GOOD DOG posted:

So since Broadwell isn't coming to Macbook Pros this year, should I trust this July 13th release date for rMBPs or just pull the trigger and buy one at these low prices.
This will always be the answer:

pokeyman/OP posted:

If you need something, buy it. If it's updated this week, you can return and upgrade.

If you don't need it, wait until you do; guaranteed it'll be a better value than it is now. At worst, it's the same.

Nobody knows when Apple's going to do poo poo. Don't listen to anyone who says otherwise.
Course if you're just waiting for July 13th (...and the source of that is the end of the Best Buy sale it seems?) you might as well wait.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003

I really don't see them refreshing in the middle of Back to School.

Also why is this Broadwell stuff news? It's been 2015 for ages.

Mercurius
May 4, 2004

Amp it up.

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

I really don't see them refreshing in the middle of Back to School.

Also why is this Broadwell stuff news? It's been 2015 for ages.
Dude from Intel said they'd ship Broadwell for the holiday 2014 season a couple months back. It's technically correct I guess because they'll probably be able to ship the chips that don't go in normal computers but there won't be any desktop or mobile processors ready until next year.

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


Give all the chips to Steve at once.

Delaying my iMac. :argh:

Mr. Smile Face Hat
Sep 15, 2003

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

Mercurius posted:

Dude from Intel said they'd ship Broadwell for the holiday 2014 season a couple months back. It's technically correct I guess because they'll probably be able to ship the chips that don't go in normal computers but there won't be any desktop or mobile processors ready until next year.

Intel is one of those companies with "technically correct" doublespeak statements, but lots of real-world delays, paper launches etc. that are only tolerated because they're pretty much the only game in town.

I also wouldn't put any value on their statement that Skylake will come out in late 2015, which only leaves six months or so for Broadwell. They probably just can't be bothered to update that estimate yet.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Ah, technically correct. The best kind of correct.

TheWevel
Apr 14, 2002
Send Help; Trapped in Stupid Factory
I have a late 2011 15" MacBook Pro that is starting to be ridiculously slow. Basically ever since I installed Mavericks on it, it takes about 90 seconds (or more) for it to go to sleep whenever I close the lid. Launching Chrome takes about a minute or more to launch, and I can't do anything else with it if I have Photoshop open.

All that being said, I have the default 4GB of RAM installed in it and an aging WD 5400RPM 500GB hard drive from 2010 that I had installed in my previous 13" Macbook Pro. I am going to add more RAM but was wondering if this is one of the ones that could use up to 16GB? I am also wondering if I should replace the hard drive or just reinstall the OS? The drive doesn't seem to have any errors. Also I installed Mavericks through the App store, not a clean install.

empty baggie
Oct 22, 2003

TheWevel posted:

I have a late 2011 15" MacBook Pro that is starting to be ridiculously slow. Basically ever since I installed Mavericks on it, it takes about 90 seconds (or more) for it to go to sleep whenever I close the lid. Launching Chrome takes about a minute or more to launch, and I can't do anything else with it if I have Photoshop open.

All that being said, I have the default 4GB of RAM installed in it and an aging WD 5400RPM 500GB hard drive from 2010 that I had installed in my previous 13" Macbook Pro. I am going to add more RAM but was wondering if this is one of the ones that could use up to 16GB? I am also wondering if I should replace the hard drive or just reinstall the OS? The drive doesn't seem to have any errors. Also I installed Mavericks through the App store, not a clean install.

Apple says that machine will only handle 8GB of PC10600 RAM, but it will actually handle up to 16GB of PC12800 RAM. I would download SMART Utility and check to see if the drive is failing before reinstalling the OS.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

TheWevel posted:

I have a late 2011 15" MacBook Pro that is starting to be ridiculously slow. Basically ever since I installed Mavericks on it, it takes about 90 seconds (or more) for it to go to sleep whenever I close the lid. Launching Chrome takes about a minute or more to launch, and I can't do anything else with it if I have Photoshop open.

All that being said, I have the default 4GB of RAM installed in it and an aging WD 5400RPM 500GB hard drive from 2010 that I had installed in my previous 13" Macbook Pro. I am going to add more RAM but was wondering if this is one of the ones that could use up to 16GB? I am also wondering if I should replace the hard drive or just reinstall the OS? The drive doesn't seem to have any errors. Also I installed Mavericks through the App store, not a clean install.

What's eating the CPU or RAM? Check activity monitor.

I'd do a fresh re-install if you can't figure out what programs are conflicting. I'd throw an SSD and 8GB in there for good measure ;)

I Might Be Adam
Jun 12, 2007

Skip the Waves, Syncopate
Forwards Backwards

Someone mentioned combining deals at Best Buy to get super cheap macbooks. Looking to possibly get a 13" Air, but the build I'm making on B&H is still cheaper and I don't even think Best Buy will have the build that I want. Is there another discount that Best Buy can offer that I'm not seeing other than the current sale for macs?

TheWevel
Apr 14, 2002
Send Help; Trapped in Stupid Factory

Bob Morales posted:

What's eating the CPU or RAM? Check activity monitor.

I'd do a fresh re-install if you can't figure out what programs are conflicting. I'd throw an SSD and 8GB in there for good measure ;)

Activity monitor doesn't really show anything when it happens. I just chalked it up to low RAM and Mavericks.

edit: I also reset the PRAM just to see if that did anything, and that lowered the sleep time a little bit but it went back to taking forever after a week.

TheWevel fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jul 10, 2014

rufius
Feb 27, 2011

Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.

chupacabraTERROR posted:

Is there anyone with a Late-2013 13in RMBP who can try running civ5?

I run it on the late 11in 2013 Air just fine.

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Linx
Aug 14, 2008

Pork Pro
I've had my Macbook Air for a little over a week now, and when I was checking to see if my AppleCare went through properly I noticed that my Mid-2014 Air is having a bit of an identity crisis



What's going on here? I bought it straight from Apple, it's BTO if that makes any difference. This doesn't bother me as such, it's just that if it's going to be like that forever it kind of hurts any potential resale value.

Sorry if this doesn't belong in the hardware thread, it seemed like the best place for it.

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