|
o muerte posted:I crack up every time I watch goons talk poo poo about their guns. VS goons were just given a gun that's either a Mercenary or a T1 Cycler depending on which attachments you slap on and that's somehow It isn't faction specific, so it doesn't count! TR get ROF and whining about their guns, NC get damage and whining about their guns, VS just get whining about their guns!
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:15
|
|
A PROBLEM 
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 18:29 |
|
|
Nakar posted:The Mercenary and T1 Cycler cost 0 certs. The Terminus costs 1000. The Merc. and Cycler don't encapsulate two other faction's stock guns in one, I'm not surprised that's not free.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:34
|
|
|
Unrelated to anything, specifically: I find it weird how stupidly high the KDR is of some EU server characters. The average KDR doesn't seem that much worse for Cobalt than Emerald, yet you have guys like Matti running around with KDRs of like 9+ which is just stupidly insane, 4-6 is basically godlike on Emerald. DA has three guys with a KDR over 6 and one of them has 18,000 Viper kills which just might be why. NUC does not have a single member over 6, and elusive1 with his insane 38% HSR and 38.4 KDR with bolt-action rifles still has an overall KDR of 4.16, which is great but also reasonable. All I do on Connery is farm and my KDR there is just over 5, and even on Connery people in FCRW and the like are plateauing around 6-7 KDR. How is this possible, statistically? Is the average on EU servers just massively skewed such that it appears similar to Emerald's, except on Emerald the average player actually is about that good and on Cobalt it's a bunch of blind and deaf fodder being farmed by a handful of competent people? Are some of these people just cheating? The people who get regular hackusations on Emerald don't even come close to having the same stats as some of these guys. o muerte posted:The Merc. and Cycler don't encapsulate two other faction's stock guns in one, I'm not surprised that's not free.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:35
|
|
|
o muerte posted:I crack up every time I watch goons talk poo poo about their guns. VS goons were just given a gun that's either a Mercenary or a T1 Cycler depending on which attachments you slap on and that's somehow I'm...talking poo poo about our guns by calling a gun a decent gun? Ok.  Whining about our assault rifles is an entirely legit complaint though, we have poo poo for assault rifles compared to the other two factions (notice how I don't complain about our Carbines and LMG's because they are awesome). A Tartan Tory fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jul 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:40
|
|
|
Nakar posted:How is this possible, statistically? We're just not as populated as you. I have a higher KDR on EU than US and it's mainly down to how easy it is to find small fights where you won't be perforated with a million bullets the moment you turn a corner. Easy farmin' for all. That and I've no idea when MattiAce even plays. I've been on Miller for over half a year playing during prime time now and I've never seen him. Does he only play during the mornings or late nights when the only people on are drunks and insomniac uni students or what?
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:46
|
|
|
I don't think the VS have bad guns, just boring guns. They look and sound the same.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:48
|
|
|
Mega Comrade posted:I don't think the VS have bad guns, just boring guns. They look and sound the same. With the exception of assault rifles we have pretty good guns all around. Eridani, Pulsar C, Zenith, Orion, Flare, Blueshift, PPA. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:53
|
|
|
Mega Comrade posted:I don't think the VS have bad guns, just boring guns. They look and sound the same. They did try. They tried to propose the Terminus as a high-ROF super-accurate burst weapon with more of a close-quarters appeal to it, but everyone hated it because it was impossible to click that fast so they just gave up on it rather than stick to it philosophically. So they made it an automatic with no particularly special traits. Is it a good automatic? Yes, it's awesome, it's actually on par with the sort of things the NC/TR have. Is it an interesting automatic? Not especially. I fear the Spiker's going to meet the same fate as at the moment the charge-up function seems to do nothing useful whatsoever and is awkward and inconvenient and can't be utilized by Infiltrators. I'm guessing we'll just end up with a Repeater/Desperado knockoff. Is that good? Well, the Repeater and Desperado are good pistols, sure, and VS would like one of their own. But the concept of a charge-up pistol is something unique to the VS and it will probably just end up neglected like the Phaseshift. If they tried to do more with heat mechanics and charging, but made it actually good, VS would have kind of an interesting overall design core. Hell, how about a charge-up shotgun that gets a tighter and tighter choke as it charges until at a full charge it's a slug? See, I just designed an interesting shotgun and it wasn't even an NC concept!
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 15:59
|
|
|
Why are all the VS helmets not great? We have a ton of hoods that look terrible. Why does the TR get the 'Rocketeer' helmet for light Assault? This is much more important than guns. I'm bitter about looking like a Quarian.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:08
|
|
|
Trouvaille posted:Why are all the VS helmets not great? We have a ton of hoods that look terrible. Why does the TR get the 'Rocketeer' helmet for light Assault? This is much more important than guns.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:10
|
|
|
o muerte posted:I crack up every time I watch goons talk poo poo about their guns. VS goons were just given a gun that's either a Mercenary or a T1 Cycler depending on which attachments you slap on and that's somehow Wow, VS has a gun that switches from carbine to assault rifle? Stop the presses guys, everything is perfect now.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:12
|
|
|
Trouvaille posted:Why are all the VS helmets not great? We have a ton of hoods that look terrible. Why does the TR get the 'Rocketeer' helmet for light Assault? This is much more important than guns. If it helps you feel better, the TR has a helmet that makes you look like a Quarian (Arctic Wolf Helmet).
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:13
|
|
|
Kaiju Cage Match posted:If it helps you feel better, the TR has a helmet that makes you look like a Quarian (Arctic Wolf Helmet). I use that for my TR medic and it is the loving best. At least until the Cowboy hat comes out anyway.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:15
|
|
|
Ain't nothing gonna top the cowboy hat. The only thing that will be lame about it is that pretty much every NC will be wearing it because how can you not. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:17
|
|
|
o muerte posted:I crack up every time I watch goons talk poo poo about their guns. VS goons were just given a gun that's either a Mercenary or a T1 Cycler depending on which attachments you slap on and that's somehow You are dumb.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:25
|
|
|
For the TORQ, I have the grip on it, but I was wondering if maybe a laser attachment would be better for it? I don't think the grip really does too much for it since its recoil is already very low.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:28
|
|
|
Horizontal Tree posted:I was once in a public platoon with this guy and the conversations were about justifying rape/incest, justifying being a dysfunctional alcoholic, justifying racism, why Puerto Rico is the worst country in the world, and more. He's a pretty chill dude, all in all. A Tartan Tory posted:With the exception of assault rifles we have pretty good guns all around. What no SVA? .75 ADS speed, 75 rounds, and better sustainable mid to mid-long range fire over the Orion, with more attachments. It's like an Orion-S. lite_sleepr fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Jul 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:30
|
|
|
Ryuga Death posted:For the TORQ, I have the grip on it, but I was wondering if maybe a laser attachment would be better for it? I don't think the grip really does too much for it since its recoil is already very low. I dislike Lasers on the TORQ and Lynx. Their bloom rate is insane because they have 850-900 RPM fire rates but the bloom of 143 damage weapons. It's brutal. The Armistice has the advantage of SMG bloom in hipfire so it can actually put its 896 RPM to work without spraying all over the place, but the Lynx/TORQ will get real crazy real fast if you try that. You could argue that's a reason to use a Laser so that the crazy bloom has to start from a tighter origin point, but I'm not entirely sold on that. With ALS the Lynx can hipfire out to surprising ranges though, but the TORQ doesn't get better than a regular one so it can't do the same trick. I'd say if you're not TORQing it past 30m in the current combat environment that a Laser probably won't hurt you too badly, but I generally like the Grip more.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:32
|
|
|
vigorous sodomy posted:What no SVA? .75 ADS speed, 75 rounds, and better sustainable mid to mid-long range fire over the Orion, with more attachments. It's like an Orion-S. The SVA-88 and HV-45 are both god tier guns and I will fight anyone irl that disagrees
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:33
|
|
|
Trouvaille posted:Why are all the VS helmets not great? We have a ton of hoods that look terrible. Why does the TR get the 'Rocketeer' helmet for light Assault? This is much more important than guns. Get the Viper helmet and look like a Turian instead. If VS ever gets a Krogan helmet I will only use shotguns. Horace Kinch fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Jul 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:49
|
|
|
Nakar posted:I find the Grip is actually pretty helpful. Yes, the recoil is low, but it steadies the shots up a bit at longer distances which is part of the appeal of the TORQ. It's even more crucial on the Lynx. Thanks, I'll save the certs, then.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:49
|
|
|
I like the look of the Avalon helmet with the honeycomb camo for my medic. Something about the hooded helm lends a sort of cultish mystique to what should be future space-medicine when practiced by the VS. Soon I'll get the cyclopean helmet with the tech camo and run around as a liquid metal heavy 
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:55
|
|
|
Fans posted:Though more seriously, I think the issue is that NC get "High Damage", TR get "High ROF" and that leaves gently caress all for unique damage models for the VS. Maybe if VS got "High DPM" but that is also the TR's trait for some bizarre reason and VS get fast reloads instead. Which is not as good. You could give VS accuracy. There's room left for that but, eh... 
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 16:58
|
|
|
Blinks77 posted:You could give VS accuracy. There's room left for that but, eh... Honestly Arghy's idea of giving some guns a .85 movement speed might be a thing to try. The VS regular guns don't really have anything unique to them besides bullet drop. As opposed to TR getting 40 rounds which no one else has and NC getting 200 damage guns which no one else has.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:00
|
|
|
vigorous sodomy posted:I like the look of the Avalon helmet with the honeycomb camo for my medic. Something about the hooded helm lends a sort of cultish mystique to what should be future space-medicine when practiced by the VS. For Infiltrator I run the shemaghs mostly. They're practically made for the class.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:02
|
|
|
Nakar posted:Use the T1 Cycler. Disagree. The T1 is an all-around good gun, I do not deny that. But once you're in the groove with the SABR there is nothing else like it. Why: 1) With an advanced foregrip, you can spam click the button as fast as you like and there is NO horizontal recoil. This is not some Arghyesque hyperbole, I mean you literally do not have to compensate it at all. A tiny down drag and no horizontal drag will see your crosshair completely steady. 2) What feels like no shot bloom. Bullets always go where you point them. 3) Due to the above, it is insanely easy to shoot heads with it. Add battle-hardened so you don't get flinched in CQC and with 2 mice clicks they're dead 4) You also can snipe people even with a 1x scope to miles away with it (in fact, I never use anything higher than that - either 1x or IRNV.) I've lost count of the amount of 12x wookies I've picked off hillsides miles and miles away with it. 5) 167 damage son The only downside is close quarters CQC, but even then you can win the majority of the time except against shotguns and shielded heavies when you get used to it, even with hipfire. It's seriously Vonic/Cyclone levels of broken, but because no one knows how to use it and therefore no-one complains about it, it stays early-game broken (and even gets buffs!) A CRAB IRL fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jul 8, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:09
|
|
|
A Tartan Tory posted:With the exception of assault rifles we have pretty good guns all around. I really like the Corvus 
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:12
|
|
|
Nakar posted:Avalon is probably my favorite helmet for everything but LA and Infiltrator where it doesn't quite look right. It's a cool helmet with a badass hood and it takes camo well and looks good combined with bulkier armors. The only helmet I like more is the TR Juggernaut one because it's just a Stormtrooper helmet and if I'm gonna be TR I'm taking this gimmick all the way. Agreedo. I'm starting to get more and more pissed off at stupid team kills, and I find myself stewing over them for longer periods of time. Were you in a max suit that was behind me? Did you just spray your guns in an effort to kill the badguy who I was shooting at, taking both of us out? gently caress you, idiot. Were you the mouth breather in a tank doing nothing useful but decided to shell the guy who I was shooting at, killing us both? gently caress you. Are you an idiot who just walks around a corner and blasts me after seeing my purple honeycomb camo and glowy space helmet? Redeploy in hell. I just spent 400 certs buying C4 on two classes so I could hunt this particular idiot down in his stupid tank. I mean, I would have wanted the C4 in the near future anyway, so I don't feel like it was a wasted purchase, but I feel like I did it for the wrong reasons. What's happening to me?
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:21
|
|
|
I don't normally like to say things like this (because I exhibit the same behavior sometimes), but you should probably just step away for a bit if you are getting that mad at video games. That said, nobody can tell you how to act in-game, but you should probably avoid that kind of vengeful poo poo; for your own mental health.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:30
|
|
|
I get the feeling I would be better at this game if I took the time to l learn the basic subtleties of 'shoot mans'. I SAS messing around last week with 'no ADS just shoot into they die' and it worked out pretty well. I can't seem to kill anyone this week with that tactic. I'm back to my normal 'ADS while moving and aim for the head' and it's working okay I guess? Any veterans want to provide some sage wisdom on the basics?
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:30
|
|
|
Clamps McGraw posted:Disagree. The T1 is an all-around good gun, I do not deny that. But once you're in the groove with the SABR there is nothing else like it. The SABR is absolutely retarded and broken and will never be nerfed because the TR are stupid (or stupid like foxes and constantly whining to deflect nerf attention from their good poo poo). No denying it. Same thing is true of the TORQ. But how do you top being superior at everything for free? It's the same deal with the Mercenary; sure, there are some real great NC carbines, but the Mercenary is about as good as them at whatever they do best plus better than them at what they don't do well and above-average in every category besides. It's basically an A- weapon in every category while the SABR is an A+ weapon in a bunch of places but a B to B+ in others. Any weapon that's a B at worst is probably a little broken (see also: Cyclone, MCG, Pulsar C), but drat if it isn't amazing to have your worst be even better than a lot of things' best. Did I mention this gun is a default yet?
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:31
|
|
|
The T1 cycler was the first weapon I got an aurax medal for. After that, I switched between using the SABR, TAR, and TRV depending on the fight and my mood. After the TORQ came out though, I've pretty much ignored all my other ARs. The Torq is so much fun to use.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:33
|
|
|
Trouvaille posted:I get the feeling I would be better at this game if I took the time to l learn the basic subtleties of 'shoot mans'. I SAS messing around last week with 'no ADS just shoot into they die' and it worked out pretty well. I can't seem to kill anyone this week with that tactic. I'm back to my normal 'ADS while moving and aim for the head' and it's working okay I guess? Any veterans want to provide some sage wisdom on the basics? Well, basically the only thing to add is to try to shoot them before they see you and making the fight unfair whenever possible. Shoot from cover, unexpected angles, use 'nades first, come from behind or flank, etc. Basically just try to give yourself any unfair advantage you can. A lot of those come from experience and "knowing" layouts and normal paths to/from points and spawns. After that, just ADAD and aim for the head* or stand still and aim for the head, depending on what gun you're using. *Aiming for the head means different things depending on the vertical recoil of your weapon -- sometimes you want to put your crosshairs on the dudes noggin, sometimes you want to aim a little bit lower and let the recoil bring you up to the head.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:34
|
|
|
Nakar posted:While I don't disagree with your points, the SABR does have certain tradeoffs in order to get its insane upsides. Forced burst-fire mode is one of those, and it can actually throw your aim off worse than recoil does depending on mouse sensitivity and how hard you click your mouse (some people have rough, aggressive clicks that can move their mouse pretty hard, which is easier to work into the flow of an automatic burst than a consistent clicking fest). The DPM is also "only" at NC levels, perish the thought, so you can squeeze almost an extra kill out of the Cycler. The SABR is also loving expensive (unless you were Alpha Squad or something, wasn't the SABR the AS weapon for TR Medic?) while the Cycler is loving free. Hey, the NC get several great carbines. The GD-7F and the AC-X11 are both monsters at what they do. Even if they both have trade offs in order to do so.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:36
|
|
|
Fans posted:If you're the sort of person who goes "Might as well push, a medic will pick me up", or end up in a point hold with res nade spam you can do really well in the first while sucking in the second. DA and Recursions method rewards careful gameplay and not being a support class. The games KDR rewards being on a team who doesn't have butts for heads. This is dumb and rewards kdr whores as opposed to players who actually exit the coward box  DA finds what stats make their playstyles look superior and they choose those above all else. (Although apparently they can't get revive stats so I don't really blame them for not including it, that's SOE's fault).
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:37
|
|
|
Gaghskull posted:Hey, the NC get several great carbines. The GD-7F and the AC-X11 are both monsters at what they do. Even if they both have trade offs in order to do so.
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:39
|
|
|
Nakar posted:KDR Stuff Maybe it's because Matti4ce has around 20k lolpod kills ?
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:40
|
|
|
Pand posted:Maybe it's because Matti4ce has around 20k lolpod kills ?
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:42
|
|
|
Nakar posted:The Merc vs. the AC-X11 and the Cycler vs. the SABR-13 are actually a pretty good comparison. Above-average in all categories free default vs. mild tradeoffs for high upsides unlockable. Arguably a matter of preference which is better, but it's not like you're losing if you pick either. I also like the bwa-KROOOOWWWW noise the bullets make on the SABR. The other three don't have that 
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 18:29 |
|
|
Clamps McGraw posted:I also like the bwa-KROOOOWWWW noise the bullets make on the SABR. The other three don't have that
|
|
#
?
Jul 8, 2014 17:47
|
|