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Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Remember back in 2008 when the hillaryis44.com loons insisted in appending $.44 to all their donations under the crazed delusion that Hillary would personally recognize it was from them specifically? Same sort of ritualism, I figure.

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Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Remember back in 2008 when the hillaryis44.com loons insisted in appending $.44 to all their donations under the crazed delusion that Hillary would personally recognize it was from them specifically? Same sort of ritualism, I figure.

http://hillaryis44.com

Still being updated.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
The Obama campaign in 2008 encouraged donations ending in .02 so you could also "give him your two cents".

Hey Girl
Sep 24, 2004
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/03/beyonce-voters-republican-single-ladies

quote:

Tuesday on Fox's "women's show" Outnumbered, panelists were talking Hobby Lobby and electoral politics when co-host Jesse Watters said the following about Hillary Clinton:

She needs the single ladies vote. I call them "The Beyoncé Voters" – the single ladies. Obama won single ladies by 76% last time, and they made up about a quarter of the electorate. They depend on government because they're not depending on their husbands. They need things like contraception, health care, and they love to talk about equal pay.

So excited for this to start in full force.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
I'm sure it will be a good thing in the long run, but I get the feeling that in the short term it's gonna really hurt a lot of people.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun
Dogwhistles and sexism, oh my...

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
The House GOP was going to do a big bus tour of the country this month to show off their alternative to Obamacare. But oh no! The unveiling of this miraculous plan has been delayed!

quote:

But Cantor’s ouster has killed the effort — at least until September, multiple Republican sources confirmed Tuesday.

In addition, whatever House Republicans do in regard to health care in the fall, putting an actual bill on the floor for a vote is almost certainly off the table, sources say. However, they could still produce a set of broad policy principles to campaign on in November as a part of a larger election agenda they are likely to unveil after Labor Day. "It has to happen, but it's going to be tough," a House Republican told the Washington Examiner.

The leadership shuffle caused by Cantor’s departure is being cited as another reason health care is being punted to the fall.

drat you, Eric Cantor! :argh:

Communist Zombie
Nov 1, 2011
Im sorry to interrupt this happy hour but I thought id share the new way some republicans are throwing it in the face of Obummer.

:coal:COAL ROLLING:coal:



The New Way to “Screw Obama” — Poisoning Your Neighbors’ Air

quote:

Warning: The crazies are getting crazier.

Behold the new depth to which macho car culture, blatant anti-environmentalism, and Obama hating has sunk. “Coal rollers” retrofit their pickup trucks to “trick” the diesel engines into thinking they need more gas. The result: big, billowing plumes of black smoke — the better to spew at Priuses and pedestrians.

And that’s precisely the point. These coal rollers take fuel-efficient cars and people hoofing it to be agents of Barack Obama himself, and they delight at engulfing them in toxic smoke. And bicyclists? Don’t get them started.

Voactiv exposed this trend to the non-coal-rolling world last month, quoting people like 25-year-old Robbie from South Carolina, who says rollin’ coal is “just fun… Just driving and blowing smoke and having a good time.”

“I’m not a scientist,” Robbie says, “but it couldn’t be too horrible.”

No, not too horrible — just 21,000 premature deaths each year and a cancer risk that is seven times greater than the combined risk of all 181 other air pollutants tracked by the EPA. That’s what the Clean Air Task Force says about diesel. And they are scientists.

Adding a smokestack to make your man machine even manlier (manliness being measured in toxic smoke, remember) will set you back anywhere from $500 to $5,000, depending, I suppose, on how manly you need to make it. And then there’s all the extra gas you’ll be pumping into your rig. But it’s totally worth it, if you hate Obama and the planet enough.

“I run into a lot of people that really don’t like Obama at all,” one seller of stack kits from Wisconsin told Slate’s David Weigel. “If he’s into the environment, if he’s into this or that, we’re not. I hear a lot of that. To get a single stack on my truck — that’s my way of giving them the finger. You want clean air and a tiny carbon footprint? Well, screw you.”

According to Weigel, it’s a “use-it-before-liberals-ban-it instinct,” akin to the anti-Earth Hour campaign to keep all the lights on, or the anti-Michelle Obama campaign to eat lots of doughnuts.

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Nov 11, 2009

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Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy
nationalsocialist.gop They didn't get everything.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Communist Zombie posted:

Im sorry to interrupt this happy hour but I thought id share the new way some republicans are throwing it in the face of Obummer.

:coal:COAL ROLLING:coal:



The New Way to “Screw Obama” — Poisoning Your Neighbors’ Air
From the article I have no idea how that exhaust is different from normal diesel exhaust, other than the color. Can anyone fill me in?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Samurai Sanders posted:

From the article I have no idea how that exhaust is different from normal diesel exhaust, other than the color. Can anyone fill me in?

Shitloads more incompletely combusted diesel.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Samurai Sanders posted:

From the article I have no idea how that exhaust is different from normal diesel exhaust, other than the color. Can anyone fill me in?

Dumping more fuel into the system leads to incomplete combustion and more smoke up the stack.

Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos

Samurai Sanders posted:

From the article I have no idea how that exhaust is different from normal diesel exhaust, other than the color. Can anyone fill me in?

Crazy more exhaust fumes because they are dumping a lot more fuel in than needed.

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Samurai Sanders posted:

From the article I have no idea how that exhaust is different from normal diesel exhaust, other than the color. Can anyone fill me in?

it's still diesel, it's just a modded engine so it's way less efficient and the combustion is incomplete.

So it's literally burning money to try and piss off environmentalists (and give your neighborhood cancer as a sidenote)

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


One of those clowns is going to "roll coal" on the wrong person one of these days. Soon, I hope.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Samurai Quack posted:

it's still diesel, it's just a modded engine so it's way less efficient and the combustion is incomplete.

So it's literally burning money to try and piss off environmentalists (and give your neighborhood cancer as a sidenote)
Goddamn. I wish people with those kinds of self-harming inclinations would just stab themselves lightly with a fork or something, instead of this.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Samurai Sanders posted:

Goddamn. I wish people with those kinds of self-harming inclinations would just stab themselves lightly with a fork or something, instead of this.

It's not themselves that they're inclined to harm, that's just a side-effect.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

quote:

"You want clean air... Well, screw you.”

Vermin.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Communist Zombie posted:

Im sorry to interrupt this happy hour but I thought id share the new way some republicans are throwing it in the face of Obummer.

:coal:COAL ROLLING:coal:



The New Way to “Screw Obama” — Poisoning Your Neighbors’ Air

These assholes should put their mouths over those stacks and have somebody hit the gas if it's not so bad, what a bunch of loving shitstains. I'm not that great at being environmentally conscious but this makes me really, really angry.

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

Pornographic Memory posted:

These assholes should put their mouths over those stacks and have somebody hit the gas if it's not so bad, what a bunch of loving shitstains. I'm not that great at being environmentally conscious but this makes me really, really angry.

yeah, there's a difference between using the air conditioning a bit too much and literally paying money to make your car less fuel efficient.

It's baffling in its own way, but a searing indictment of the level of rational thinking demonstrated by the radical right.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Samurai Quack posted:

it's still diesel, it's just a modded engine so it's way less efficient and the combustion is incomplete.

So it's literally burning money to try and piss off environmentalists (and give your neighborhood cancer as a sidenote)

Fairly sure it results in lots of more pollutants as well since the goal isn't to turn as much fuel as possible into CO2 and water.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
Did we ever find out more about that Mississippi tea party leader that offed himself? I'm surprised that got swept under so quickly. You'd think the tea party would at least get some conspiracy theories brewing over it.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

You could just follow the next one of these assholes you see until they stop at a store or something and then quiksteel their gas cap to the threading on their tank.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
Sounds like a great way to get the state legislature to pass a law making it impossible for your truck to pass inspection.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost
I don't really give a poo poo about the whole Rolling Coal thing. For one, it's some bored bohunk redneck poo poo that costs them a fuckload in modifications and fuel. For two, I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of actually getting pissed off.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
I would sure as gently caress follow them til I was able to either memorize or copy their license and call the god drat police.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
When I heard the name I thought people had actually replaced the engine of their truck with some coal powerplant, that would have been rather badass in its own way. This is just dumb.

Ron Paul Atreides
Apr 19, 2012

Uyghurs situation in Xinjiang? Just a police action, do not fret. Not ongoing genocide like in EVIL Canada.

I am definitely not a tankie.

DemeaninDemon posted:

Fairly sure it results in lots of more pollutants as well since the goal isn't to turn as much fuel as possible into CO2 and water.

well yes, but I don't think most of the users understand the chemical process of combustion that fully.

Honestly I don't know why people don't talk more about the isotopes produced from fossil fuels (coal in particular), nuclear still seems to scare the poo poo out of most people, and coal pumps out a bunch of nuclear poo poo into the air. Focusing on CO2 seems to be picking the wrong part to focus on.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

Samurai Quack posted:

well yes, but I don't think most of the users understand the chemical process of combustion that fully.

Honestly I don't know why people don't talk more about the isotopes produced from fossil fuels (coal in particular), nuclear still seems to scare the poo poo out of most people, and coal pumps out a bunch of nuclear poo poo into the air. Focusing on CO2 seems to be picking the wrong part to focus on.

It's basically just "no, gently caress YOU, dad!" from petulant manchildren. Nothing more, nothing less. They don't care about anything other than "NO YOU AREN'T THE BOSS OF ME!"

Skeevy Mcgee
Feb 17, 2007

I'm kind of impressed they caught this one.



That's going WAY back.

Hedera Helix
Sep 2, 2011

The laws of the fiesta mean nothing!

Joementum posted:

Sounds like a great way to get the state legislature to pass a law making it impossible for your truck to pass inspection.

At which point, the practice spreads as a form of protest against taking away :911:AMERICAN FREEDOM:patriot:

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
The EPA confirmed that the modifications required to 'roll coal' are illegal, and that you can report license plate numbers if you see people doing it.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
You know these guys who are modding their trucks like this probably really love to bring up the talking point about how low the price of gas was when Obama took office (because the economy had completely tanked in the preceding months and brought down demand) compared to now.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

Samurai Quack posted:

well yes, but I don't think most of the users understand the chemical process of combustion that fully.

Honestly I don't know why people don't talk more about the isotopes produced from fossil fuels (coal in particular), nuclear still seems to scare the poo poo out of most people, and coal pumps out a bunch of nuclear poo poo into the air. Focusing on CO2 seems to be picking the wrong part to focus on.

Hi have you met my friend the coal lobby?

Also, people not well-learned in the sciences seem to not understand the concepts like concentration and mobility. poo poo, today, I spent almost an hour talking about the difference between vinyl chloride and polyvinyl chloride to a colleague. Not to mention pseudoscience fuckwits like Natural News.

Yeah just write down their plates then report them. Don't be assholes that's just what they want so they can go back to their buddies, drink keystone light, and talk about how badly they pissed off those liberals.

skaboomizzy
Nov 12, 2003

There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

Necc0 posted:

Did we ever find out more about that Mississippi tea party leader that offed himself? I'm surprised that got swept under so quickly. You'd think the tea party would at least get some conspiracy theories brewing over it.

Charles C. Johnson, a "reporter" in the Breitbart mold, says that the RNSC honcho who backed Cochran is responsible for driving that guy to suicide. Johnson is a frothing lunatic.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


Zeroisanumber posted:

I don't really give a poo poo about the whole Rolling Coal thing. For one, it's some bored bohunk redneck poo poo that costs them a fuckload in modifications and fuel. For two, I wouldn't give them the satisfaction of actually getting pissed off.

You'd probably feel differently if one of them covered you in soot and left you choking on their smog.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Communist Zombie posted:

Im sorry to interrupt this happy hour but I thought id share the new way some republicans are throwing it in the face of Obummer.

:coal:COAL ROLLING:coal:



The New Way to “Screw Obama” — Poisoning Your Neighbors’ Air

Here's the funny thing: the EPA is already all over this but they are playing it BLM vs Cliven Bundy long game style.

There is no nationwide inspection program and if the EPA were to make it a priority to really crack down on it there is a large subgroup of people that would go do it just to stick it to the EPA. Instead the EPA is letting normal attrition take care of the problem because vehicles don't last forever and running a smoke tune is absolutely brutal on an engine. After they have ruined their current engine the jerks will go onto the market and find that all new trucks are equipped with a diesel particulate filter (DPF). And they will find that while the EPA was ignoring their smoke tuner they are cracking down hard on any company offering services or products which may be used to remove a DPF.

Running a smoke tune with a DPF in place doesn't give them the effect they want. It instead looks more like you blew a head gasket while at the same time ruining/clogging the DPF in a matter of seconds. Oh and the DPF failing/clogging will cause the engine controller to go into limp mode giving you zero power until you go spend ~$3k for the replacement DPF which the OEM absolutely won't cover under warranty (they actually will void the entire powertrain and emissions warranty if they so much as suspect you've gotten a tuner anywhere near the truck). Finally the favorite loophole of the modified truck crowd is gone: non-road diesels are required to have the DPFs too.

On the other hand the new diesels with the DPFs are much more powerful than the old ones ever were so hopefully soon smoke from the engine won't be seen as a sign of a powerful diesel but instead more along the lines of "whoa your truck has a serious problem, you might want to get that looked at".

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Shifty Pony posted:

Here's the funny thing: the EPA is already all over this but they are playing it BLM vs Cliven Bundy long game style.

There is no nationwide inspection program and if the EPA were to make it a priority to really crack down on it there is a large subgroup of people that would go do it just to stick it to the EPA. Instead the EPA is letting normal attrition take care of the problem because vehicles don't last forever and running a smoke tune is absolutely brutal on an engine. After they have ruined their current engine the jerks will go onto the market and find that all new trucks are equipped with a diesel particulate filter (DPF). And they will find that while the EPA was ignoring their smoke tuner they are cracking down hard on any company offering services or products which may be used to remove a DPF.

Running a smoke tune with a DPF in place doesn't give them the effect they want. It instead looks more like you blew a head gasket while at the same time ruining/clogging the DPF in a matter of seconds. Oh and the DPF failing/clogging will cause the engine controller to go into limp mode giving you zero power until you go spend ~$3k for the replacement DPF which the OEM absolutely won't cover under warranty (they actually will void the entire powertrain and emissions warranty if they so much as suspect you've gotten a tuner anywhere near the truck). Finally the favorite loophole of the modified truck crowd is gone: non-road diesels are required to have the DPFs too.

On the other hand the new diesels with the DPFs are much more powerful than the old ones ever were so hopefully soon smoke from the engine won't be seen as a sign of a powerful diesel but instead more along the lines of "whoa your truck has a serious problem, you might want to get that looked at".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oehGtcW6BU

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Exactly. Last I heard the EPA went after one of the major makers of tuner kits which could be used for DPF deletion, confiscated their inventory, fined them to hell and back, and were working their way down the customer list demanding VIN numbers and proof that the kits were not installed on DPF equipped vehicles.

Every other reputable tuner manufacturer has since stopped making such kits.

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