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Darwinism posted:Did you really miss the part where those games just are held at the store and nowhere was it stated that the dude attends them? Sure, he's scum, but going all scorched earth vigilante over WELL CHILDREN ATTEND THE SAME PLACE AT DIFFERENT TIMES is sorta dumb man Suggesting to the cops he's going someplace where children frequent isn't being "scorched earth vigilante". It's making him comply with the law, and reminds him that he's untrusted and unwanted by society. If we're all really lucky, the cops find something with his housing situation or job at the same time. That makes the whole problem go away at least for awhile.
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rkajdi posted:Like hell. He's a sex offender, for having naked pictures of children or child rape. He didn't get it from pissing outside or even flashing people, it's for kiddie porn. You want people like that separated from children, because you obviously can't trust them around children. He's showing up around kids (unless it's all adults playing kids' anime cards games, which I doubt) which is possibly a violation since he's on the offender list. He deserves exactly to have his life set on fire, because he's done the same or worse to innocent children. But I guess we should all be the better people and let him start grooming kids out in public instead of just notifying the cops and seeing if he's done anything illegal (hint he probably has) Yeah, tell me about it. I got a guy who was convicted for violent child molestation twice living on my street, and I don't know how many times I have told him not to even come close to my house. These people don't deserve much thought asides from how best to get them to stay the hell away from you and any child you know.
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rkajdi posted:Like hell. He's a sex offender, for having naked pictures of children or child rape. He didn't get it from pissing outside or even flashing people, it's for kiddie porn. You want people like that separated from children, because you obviously can't trust them around children. He's showing up around kids (unless it's all adults playing kids' anime cards games, which I doubt) which is possibly a violation since he's on the offender list. He deserves exactly to have his life set on fire, because he's done the same or worse to innocent children. But I guess we should all be the better people and let him start grooming kids out in public instead of just notifying the cops and seeing if he's done anything illegal (hint he probably has) Right, because in contemporary America a man guaranteeably has access/payment for vanishing amounts of mental health services. And all you're deciding this based upon is the third-hand information of a black and white name and shame public registry. He may have done something wrong, but he certainly doesn't deserve to have his life ruined for the "crime" of attempting to enjoy a normal leisure activity with other people of his age. You are bringing a ton of prejudices to this, all of them focused on "he totally deserves whatever." I mean come on, you've even gone ahead and suggested he's actively grooming minors - even in your tough on crime paradise, I guess prison support programs have done nothing?
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Somebody run Rogue Trader so I can play a Tau or Ork, please!
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Jul 10, 2014 01:58
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The Tau are pretty cool in RT, I like how 'be a goddamn battlesuit' is a goal you can work to.
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I played Maid, should I be allowed around small children? 
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This is the goofiest derail. I am intervening here and ending the CHILD PORN DERAIL. Creeping on a dude to ruin his life is certainly a thing, however contacting the cops (or his parole officer) will not ruin it. If he is not violating the terms of his parole, they won't do anything. If he is then he is violating the terms of his parole and someone should be contacted. That said, this has probably progressed about as far as it can go. To sum up, child porn is bad, rehabilitation services are limited, and parole violations are bad. Now please go back to talking about dumbass elfgames. The politics of sex offender rehabilitation are beyond the scope of this thread and this forum, it would make a fine topic for D&D.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The Tau are pretty cool in RT, I like how 'be a goddamn battlesuit' is a goal you can work to. That is exactly what I want to do!
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Wonder why no one's made an official The Elder Scrolls tabletop RPG. You figure there'd be money in it for Bethesda to license it out to someone. Skyrim sold a poo poo ton, and I'm sure people would like to have an actual system for it rather than just homebrewing other systems.
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Imagine miniatures modded with greenstuff to have enormous schlongs a la Nexus mods. Wait that's just Kingdom Death
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There are no Crisis suits in Skyrim. It is inferior.
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Kai Tave posted:In addition to all of this plus probably some other stuff, the number one and number two criticisms of Eclipse Phase as a game are:
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SunAndSpring posted:Wonder why no one's made an official The Elder Scrolls tabletop RPG. You figure there'd be money in it for Bethesda to license it out to someone. Skyrim sold a poo poo ton, and I'm sure people would like to have an actual system for it rather than just homebrewing other systems. Besthada makes video games, not trpgs. The skills, when it comes to math and mechanics, might not be transferable so they'd either license it or hire people. Then, at the end of the day, they'd make less than 1/40th of what they'd make if they put the funds into making a new elder scrolls game. It's just not a prudent investment. Besides, you don't really need an official game to play the setting really. I feel emulating the game's mechanics into a tabletop game would probably bog things down since the video game is made with the assumption that the computer is handling the math.
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Halloween Jack posted:The system is meh, the Shadowrun-esque character creation is also a problem, but my biggest problem with EC is that I can't fully absorb how you're supposed to go on adventures and stuff in a world with really ubiquitous surveillance. That's actually a lot harder for me to think my way around than the transhuman stuff. I know there is some stuff in the corebook about it, more stuff in supplements, and the EC thread recommended a podcast, but usually I don't have to read the corebook cover-to-cover and tune in to a Barry Lyndon length stream before being prepared for a game. Well one thing about ubiquitous surveillance is that if everybody is recording that doesn't mean everyone is watching. Even with an army of AGIs and infogees you can't watch everything all the time, so the idea is you don't attract attention when you're on everybody's cameras and then figure out how to get around the cameras that some mind is almost certainly watching.
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My impression was that you're only meant to have adventures in isolated places, like earth. Or you're a megacorp employee trying to sabotage an upstart competitor on the outer rim. But generally that you'd be working in an area where surveillance (and society/technology in general) has failed. If anything, it seems like it would be hard to get into the mindset of a transhuman and then reflect back on what they would experience moving out of their normal life of constant surveillance. Like there's supposed to be this transhuman horror but it's a type of horror that's relatively difficult to empathize with. Also it feels like it has the same problem that a lot of similar games have, where the kind of character that would work well in a high combat, fighting TITANS or aliens or anarchists or whatever sort of campaign is emphatically not the same kind of campaign that would work for a socialite, and because of how those heavy combat adventures only make sense in a situation where the normal rules of this society have profoundly broken down it would be really hard to write an adventure that incorporates both sorts of characters, even more so than with something like Shadowrun.
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Halloween Jack posted:The system is meh, the Shadowrun-esque character creation is also a problem, but my biggest problem with EC is that I can't fully absorb how you're supposed to go on adventures and stuff in a world with really ubiquitous surveillance. That's actually a lot harder for me to think my way around than the transhuman stuff. I know there is some stuff in the corebook about it, more stuff in supplements, and the EC thread recommended a podcast, but usually I don't have to read the corebook cover-to-cover and tune in to a Barry Lyndon length stream before being prepared for a game. There are several ways to approach the omnipresent surveillance net. 1) gently caress it, blow it up anyway, get g-rep. 2) Security through obscurity actually works. If you've ever done some serious academic research, you know what to expect. If you're in a gigantic library (the enormous amount of data generated every second even in a small hab) and you are a trained researcher (someone who was born into this environment equipped with a muse) and you know exactly what you're looking for (evidence that guy you think is a Jovian spy is up to no good) and you even have a pretty good idea of where it is in the library (you know what section of the hab he's been futzing with), you can still get trumped by incorrect data (someone hosed up the database/cameras/infobombed the whole system), multiple copies (which of the hundreds of microcams in the main hab room are useful?) or just plain lack of material (who puts dozens of cams and microphones in the air duct in waste processing?). 3) Sometimes it doesn't matter. If you've ever seen The Conversation, Gene Hackman's character knows exactly what the two targets of his assignment said, when they said it, where they said it, with whom, etc. It doesn't matter because the context isn't fully explained to him at the time. Just because the players or their opponents know most of the story doesn't mean they know all of it.
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Covok posted:Besthada makes video games, not trpgs. The skills, when it comes to math and mechanics, might not be transferable so they'd either license it or hire people. Then, at the end of the day, they'd make less than 1/40th of what they'd make if they put the funds into making a new elder scrolls game. It's just not a prudent investment. But you can call the storygame narrative control bennies CHIM...!
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SunAndSpring posted:Wonder why no one's made an official The Elder Scrolls tabletop RPG. You figure there'd be money in it for Bethesda to license it out to someone. Skyrim sold a poo poo ton, and I'm sure people would like to have an actual system for it rather than just homebrewing other systems. Because loving nobody wants the fanbase of this hobby to get energetic about their game. Literally most other industries either actively court against going into ttgs or at least try to never bring it up.
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CHIM is the understanding that grants you the ability to transcend and control the laws underlying the world, codifying it explicitly into the system misses the point. e: ProfessorCirno posted:Because loving nobody wants the fanbase of this hobby to get energetic about their game. Literally most other industries either actively court against going into ttgs or at least try to never bring it up. Seriously? I've always assumed it was just apathy and a feeling that the RPG market is too small to seriously consider in terms of licensing, not that there was an actual pushback against it. zachol fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Kai Tave posted:B). Tying into the first problem is the fact that the game strongly rewards/encourages players to sink lots of resources into building super-custom bodies crammed full of gizmos and bonuses and then do everything in their power to never have to resleeve despite "Your body is hardware, change it" being one of the game's big taglines. In addition to the obvious ludonarrative dissonance another issue this causes is it makes the wide selection of morphs available increasingly pointless since once you've finished customizing your super-body there's vanishingly little difference between a morph designed for combat and one designed for zero-g and one designed for Hollywood elite. Also it's an incredible performance to actually change bodies. Technically you need to keep track of all the actual bodies and morph types you've used in the past, since it's +10 for having previously used the new body type and +30 for using the exact body. There's an 18-entry table of modifiers for these tests. #1 integration test (SOMx3 or else you get action penalties for being bad at this morph) #2 alienation test (INTx3 or gain stress) #3 (if you are restoring from backup or farcasting) continuity test (WILx3 or gain stress) All this just to set the adventure up if you're zooming around the solar system. We completely ignored all this in play and just let people roleplay out how weird their new bodies were.
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I've been trawling old RPGSite threads so I can put together my Big Dumb Email To Mearls, and I just woke up to find out they literally track which IPs view their forum so they can freak out about me reading their public posts. I need an  emoticon that just gets bigger and bigger. Also: Is it possible that they set up an alert for it, and if so, is there a way to make Chrome just read random forum threads in the background forever?
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Ettin posted:I've been trawling old RPGSite threads so I can put together my Big Dumb Email To Mearls, and I just woke up to find out they literally track which IPs view their forum so they can freak out about me reading their public posts. How did they know that IPs was you?
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there's only one person in australia who plays elfgames duh
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Tollymain posted:there's only one person in australia who plays elfgames duh But... 
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Tollymain posted:there's only one person in australia who plays elfgames duh What about King_Com?
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Ettin posted:I've been trawling old RPGSite threads so I can put together my Big Dumb Email To Mearls, and I just woke up to find out they literally track which IPs view their forum so they can freak out about me reading their public posts. Are they just mad 'cause y'all banned like a dozen of them for being relentlessly lovely?
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Winson_Paine posted:This is the goofiest derail. So does that mean I can't say how this turned out?
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Also, I know the thread has moved on from this, but PbtA isn't even close to the new D20 glut, because even the bad stuff like tremulus is the result of a sincere labour of love and not cynical bullshit shat out in the space of an afternoon. Also it's me, I'm the one who wants there to be more playbooks. Never stop.
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Saguaro PI posted:But... Excuse us for wanting to escape to a fantasy world where the horrible monsters actually have logical and understandable motivations.
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grassy gnoll posted:There are several ways to approach the omnipresent surveillance net. This, and also just because someone is watching doesn't mean they can do anything about it in real time. If you want to go heavy on ubiquitous surveillance, a big part of adventures is after-event cleanup. If you hit hard and fast then you get away with the initial situation and then it's a matter of obscuring your tracks well. Then there's just straight up brute force solutions - bribing or blackmailing the gently caress out of the decision makers that are behind the cameras to look the other way, to start with. Checking out the source material for EP is also a great idea for this. Several of the works deal specifically with this issue without handwaving it and show how just because Big Brother - or Little Brother - is watching doesn't automatically mean people trying to do secret things are screwed. The first Takeshi Kovacs novel, some Ghost in the Shell episodes, and some of Charles Stross' works go there (Glasshouse and Rule 34 in particular). It's a subplot of the recent Ancillary Justice, which is highly recommended.
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Covok posted:How did they know that IPs was you? I posted there once and I don't care about proxies  K Prime posted:Are they just mad 'cause y'all banned like a dozen of them for being relentlessly lovely? That is like literally the reason anyone posts over there ever so  Totally unrelated story: A while ago Dice Hound (a dork we permabanned forever ago) tried to doxx me, except all he came up with was my real name and my old blog. My old blog is still publicly linked on 1d4chan and he got my name with an amazing technique called "remembered a couple times I posted it, because it's not actually secret". For some reason he assumed that he'd found some AMAZING SECRET anyway, there was a big fuss, and One Horse Town (wasn't permabanned) encouraged him and went through my blog looking for ammunition. I ignored it at the time because lol, but every so often some well-meaning poster sends me a message to alert me when someone threatens to use my not-actually-a-secret-name again. So far all that's happened is some idiot having a cry about me on some MRA website and Zak trying to harass me with it a few days ago. Anyway the moral of the story is sometimes it's less relentlessly lovely and more relentlessly impotent.
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I'm trying to decide if I should even try PbP or irc again considering my last few attempts bombed or just kind of slowly petered out.
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95% of all non-oneshot games will peter out or worse.
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Ettin posted:I posted there once and I don't care about proxies 1d4chan still exists? Weird.
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Outside of the well documented badness of the engine my quarrel with EP is everything beyond the asteroid belt is "gently caress it let's let LF write it". The Jovians are an embarrassment and doing the Anarchists/Extropians/Ulitmates as "Spanish Civil War in space" would be way cooler.
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Ettin posted:A while ago Dice Hound (a dork we permabanned forever ago) tried to doxx me, except all he came up with was my real name and my old blog. My old blog is still publicly linked on 1d4chan and he got my name with an amazing technique called "remembered a couple times I posted it, because it's not actually secret". It's Brett, isn't it?
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