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I hope when TFS finally get round to the Buu saga adult Gohan's become a full-on Rusty Venture and is a bitter and resentful failure tired of living in his dead father's shadow. Goten & Trunks can be his Hank and Dean.
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Surfer Rosa Parks posted:I hope when TFS finally get round to the Buu saga adult Gohan's become a full-on Rusty Venture and is a bitter and resentful failure tired of living in his dead father's shadow. Goten & Trunks can be his Hank and Dean. That's probably the best possible outcome. That or Gohan totally forgets his father and Goku totally forgets his son.
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Jul 10, 2014 00:20
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Darko posted:
We don't forget, they just aren't important, like no one says he spends literally no time with his family, just that he takes time off and abandons them really easily. At least three times for dumb as gently caress reasons. The end of the Frieza, Cell, and Buu sagas are it. Also I don't take GT as if I remember correctly GT actually makes it seem he comes back while I believe then end of DBZ has him literally saying "I am going to live in his village with him to train him" which is pretty cut and dry. Hell If I remember correctly he spends less time with them over the series then without them. He is a huge douche.
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Jul 10, 2014 00:37
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CharlestheHammer posted:Hell If I remember correctly he spends less time with them over the series then without them. He is a huge douche. You do not remember correctly. It was literally listed out good grief.
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Jul 10, 2014 00:56
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Chi Chi fell in love with and demanded to marry a martial artist who cared about nothing other than travelling the world fighting strong guys. Goku had no idea what "marriage" or a "wife" were, and even after he explained that, and he agreed to marry Chi Chi only because he made a promise, Chi Chi still married him and tried to tie him down as a family man. He's a member of a race bred and programmed to fight, sent to Earth to fight, raised as a child by a fighter, trained by several of the Earth's best fighters, and fought some of the Earth's OTHER best fighters. Then everyone's surprised that in his adult life he continues to fight.
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Jul 10, 2014 00:56
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Torix posted:He's a member of a race bred and programmed to fight, sent to Earth to fight, raised as a child by a fighter, trained by several of the Earth's best fighters, and fought some of the Earth's OTHER best fighters. Then everyone's surprised that in his adult life he continues to fight. On the other hand, Vegeta actually does a significantly better job than Goku.
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Jul 10, 2014 00:58
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ImpAtom posted:On the other hand, Vegeta actually does a significantly better job than Goku. Vegeta didn't get tossed off a cliff as a baby.
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Jul 10, 2014 00:59
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ImpAtom posted:On the other hand, Vegeta actually does a significantly better job than Goku. As a Saiyan elite, Vegeta was groomed for Dairy Queen.
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Jul 10, 2014 01:01
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ChronoReverse posted:You do not remember correctly. It was literally listed out good grief. Nah, I just did the math, I am correct. Even counting the chamber he spends more time dead/in space then at home.
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Jul 10, 2014 01:01
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Rudoku posted:Vegeta didn't get tossed off a cliff as a baby. Vegeta also doesn't have a confirmed pure, innocent heart that lets him fly on a cloud.
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Jul 10, 2014 01:19
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Darko posted:Vegeta also doesn't have a confirmed pure, innocent heart that lets him fly on a cloud. Being pure of heart doesn't mean you're also not kind of a shithead about a lot of things!
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Jul 10, 2014 01:23
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Yeah, Goku can fly on the cloud, which only a handful of other characters can do and the Devil's Evilness Beam (name escapes me) didn't do anything to him, which was supposed to be impossible as all humans have some speck of evil in them.
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CharlestheHammer posted:We don't forget, they just aren't important, like no one says he spends literally no time with his family, just that he takes time off and abandons them really easily. At least three times for dumb as gently caress reasons. The end of the Frieza, Cell, and Buu sagas are it. Also I don't take GT as if I remember correctly GT actually makes it seem he comes back while I believe then end of DBZ has him literally saying "I am going to live in his village with him to train him" which is pretty cut and dry. He was healing on Yardat for months, then learned they had a teleportation technique and stayed there for a year, learning it and learning to go SSJ without going crazy angry while doing it. That was selfish in theory, but he probably thought he needed to learn that stuff. He then died and blamed himself for stuff always happening and decided to stop using the Dragon Balls to bring himself back. That made sense from his perspective. Not a great move, but it made sense. Goku was gone ~9 years on his own (year and a half - 2 years between Freeza and Trunks, 7 years dead). Goku was with Chichi/Gohan for 6 years from Dragon Ball - Dragon Ball Z. Trained with Gohan/Piccolo for 3 years. Spent a year in the room of space and time with Gohan. Came back to life and fought Buu and stayed with his family for ten years farming and stuff - Uub. So that's 20 years, in the series. So, he spent double the time in the series with his family as dead or gone. Darko fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Jul 10, 2014 01:31
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ImpAtom posted:Being pure of heart doesn't mean you're also not kind of a shithead about a lot of things! Intent is a lot. It shows things like "I'm going to stay dead" were actually made to the best of his reasoning ability and legitimately made for that reason as opposed to selfish reasons. The intent of the series was always that he had their best wishes at heart and thought he was doing things for the good of everyone, even if he did get hit on the head as a baby and was pretty dumb.
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Jul 10, 2014 01:33
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I'm pretty sure you're putting way more thought into this than Toriyama ever did.
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Jul 10, 2014 01:51
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Genocyber posted:I'm pretty sure you're putting way more thought into this than Toriyama ever did. Dragon Ball is a surprisingly clean, consistent series - one of the best when it comes to keeping characters generally together, and progressing cleanly with very few plotholes. He changed his mind about things over time, and seems to have forgotten a bit when he quit writing, but he obviously cared a lot while writing it. It's really the anime that introduces most of the plot holes/issues with the series - it's actually surprising how well the manga flows.
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Jul 10, 2014 01:57
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CharlestheHammer posted:We don't forget, they just aren't important, like no one says he spends literally no time with his family, just that he takes time off and abandons them really easily. At least three times for dumb as gently caress reasons. The end of the Frieza, Cell, and Buu sagas are it. Also I don't take GT as if I remember correctly GT actually makes it seem he comes back while I believe then end of DBZ has him literally saying "I am going to live in his village with him to train him" which is pretty cut and dry. You are purposefully ignoring the fact he stayed dead after Cell for what he at least thought were good intentions. What's the point of being with your family if you constantly are putting them and the whole world under duress, putting them at risk of getting killed, and possibly getting yourself killed again? Goku wasn't a great dad, but he wasn't a deadbeat like the internet/DBZA spoofs him to be. God, never thought I would get to a place where I would groan about something TFS has done.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:18
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By the time Goku came back to stay with his family after fighting Buu, Gohan was already 16 or 17 and well adjusted enough to go on to live a normal adult life later on so that shouldn't really count as "raising his son." Goten, sure, but I think the ship had mostly sailed with Gohan by then.
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Jul 10, 2014 02:46
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My problem with Goku deciding to stay dead is he apparently didn't even check in on his family, he can use King Kai to dial in and talk to them at least but he didn't even know he had a son or that Gohan hadn't been training.
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Jul 10, 2014 03:11
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Goku's a cooler dad than any of your dads.
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facebook jihad posted:Goku wasn't a great dad, but he wasn't a deadbeat like the internet/DBZA spoofs him to be.. And before anyone points it out, DBGT is a dark comedy. On the viewer.
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Spiderdrake posted:I mean, it is all a joke about how naive and silly Goku is, and the discussion kinda hinges on ignoring the fact Dragonball, DBZ and DBGT have a lot of comedy to them, but technically choosing to stay dead and not supporting his wife? Yeah, he's a deadbeat dad. That's pretty much what the term means, in fact. quote:Deadbeat parent is a pejorative term referring to parents who evade court ordered child support obligations. I wasn't aware Goku went to court.  Though that owns that he decided to stay dead to not pay child support and see Gohan on the weekends.
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Jul 10, 2014 04:30
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I've decided to retract my earlier hope of Goku not knowing who Gohan is. I now want him to think Goten is Gohan and still not know who Gohan is.
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Jul 10, 2014 05:20
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It's going to be more like Gohan gets really annoyed and jealous because Goku will notice Goten immediately and shower him with attention the very first time they meet. On the subject of dad chat, it's kind of funny how the dub has Goku say supportive things like "That's so great, Gohan! I'm so proud of you." Goku never actually says stuff like that.
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Squallege posted:I've decided to retract my earlier hope of Goku not knowing who Gohan is. I now want him to think Goten is Gohan and still not know who Gohan is. I want him to treat Goten like the greatest son in the world and basically treat Gohan like a third wheel.
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Jul 10, 2014 05:40
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Those are both better ideas
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Well, if you consider Goku's maturity level, Goten's birth would make Gohan the 'middle child' of the family. 
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Jul 10, 2014 06:07
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Saiyaman is either going to be Gohan having a psychotic break or him being so happy his dad is gone.
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Darko posted:Saiyaman is either going to be Gohan having a psychotic break or him being so happy his dad is gone. Given who superheroes are idealized male role models, it is really no wonder Gohan likes them so much.
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Jul 10, 2014 12:59
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e X posted:Given who superheroes are idealized male role models, it is really no wonder Gohan likes them so much. That and he's a gigantic nerd.
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Jul 10, 2014 19:10
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Neo_Crimson posted:That and he's a gigantic nerd. Now that we've seen Gohan's love for mysteies I want Saiyaman to be played completely straight like Batman or something.
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Jul 10, 2014 19:26
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Squallege posted:Now that we've seen Gohan's love for mysteies I want Saiyaman to be played completely straight like Batman or something. The city is afraid of me, I have seen its true face!
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Jul 10, 2014 19:47
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e X posted:Given who superheroes are idealized male role models, it is really no wonder Gohan likes them so much. I hold out some small smidge of hope that TFS will toss in a bit of Kamen Rider into Saiyaman. It's his namesake, after all.
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StrifeHira posted:I hold out some small smidge of hope that TFS will toss in a bit of Kamen Rider into Saiyaman. That would be awesome, but do they know enough about KR to make any jokes?
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Some Numbers posted:That would be awesome, but do they know enough about KR to make any jokes? If they're this huge of fans of Dragonball, knowing poo poo about Kamen Rider is hardly out of the question.
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Some Numbers posted:That would be awesome, but do they know enough about KR to make any jokes? Well, they are aware of Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills, so I reckon they know about the stuff it was aping. (I was pretty surprised that was an actual thing and not something they made up for that joke.)
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Jul 10, 2014 23:22
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Metal Loaf posted:(I was pretty surprised that was an actual thing and not something they made up for that joke.) Wait, what the gently caress? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmhRKU5zBS8
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Jul 11, 2014 00:13
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TTAfBH was a rip off of Power Rangers/Super Sentai though, not Kamen Rider.
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WickedHate posted:TTAfBH was a rip off of Power Rangers/Super Sentai though, not Kamen Rider. There's always TMNT: The next mutation. It actually had a Masked Rider cameo.
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Didn't Masked Rider also spin-off from Power Rangers Zeo? To segue this back into DB territory, has anyone actually watched Dragonball: The Magic Within or whatever the Japanese live action film in the late 80's early 90's was? And is it as bad as it looked?
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