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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Meh, it's your mod. The hard drive died? That really sucks, I'm living in mortal fear of that happening to me, despite always backing it up online.
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DStecks posted:In my games they usually wind up getting their poo poo kicked in fast and hard. Like, I frequently see Constantinople fall before 1150. Really? I've seen a few games where a lucky jihad ends up taking Anatolia, but inevitably they claw it back through holy wars after a couple of decades. Greece is just a disproportionately powerful kingdom, I think. Obviously it shouldn't be desperately impoverished but it would make more sense if Byzantine holdings in Anatolia were their main source of manpower. Of course, I'm not sure how you would do that with CK2's mechanics. I'm just kvetching though, as has been reiterated a thousand times before, it would be great if there was a patch/DLC that focused on making management of large realms or empire titles more interesting and difficult.
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Fuligin posted:Really? I've seen a few games where a lucky jihad ends up taking Anatolia, but inevitably they claw it back through holy wars after a couple of decades. Greece is just a disproportionately powerful kingdom, I think. Obviously it shouldn't be desperately impoverished but it would make more sense if Byzantine holdings in Anatolia were their main source of manpower. Of course, I'm not sure how you would do that with CK2's mechanics. I'm just kvetching though, as has been reiterated a thousand times before, it would be great if there was a patch/DLC that focused on making management of large realms or empire titles more interesting and difficult. I had a game where Greece fell to the Muslims really early, and the HRE won the Crusade to take it back, resulting in a 100% Catholic and Germanized Greece by 1450. It was something else. I'm also pretty excited because in my latest game, the HRE vassalized the Papacy before 1100, and just won the first Crusade for Jerusalem, meaning that there's a real chance for permanent Crusader States.
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Fuligin posted:Really? I've seen a few games where a lucky jihad ends up taking Anatolia, but inevitably they claw it back through holy wars after a couple of decades. Greece is just a disproportionately powerful kingdom, I think. Obviously it shouldn't be desperately impoverished but it would make more sense if Byzantine holdings in Anatolia were their main source of manpower. Of course, I'm not sure how you would do that with CK2's mechanics. I'm just kvetching though, as has been reiterated a thousand times before, it would be great if there was a patch/DLC that focused on making management of large realms or empire titles more interesting and difficult.
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vulturesrow posted:Nope, I am the King of Ireland. I managed to once again upload an incorrect map. This is definitely the correct one: What I would do in your situation is start planning to invade Scotland, Wales, or Cornwall. Just depends on which you get the opportunity first. You can fabricate claims or try to invite claimants to your court and marry them into your dynasty. Either way it will take patience, the game will be much slower than the initial consolidation. Also check regularly for opportunites, like someone converts to a heresy and you can holy war them. Because if you don't right away someone else will probably kill them pretty quick.
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vulturesrow posted:Nope, I am the King of Ireland. I managed to once again upload an incorrect map. This is definitely the correct one: Did Norway get Normandy and Cornwall? And what's going on in Italy?
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SurgicalOntologist posted:What I would do in your situation is start planning to invade Scotland, Wales, or Cornwall. Just depends on which you get the opportunity first. You can fabricate claims or try to invite claimants to your court and marry them into your dynasty. Either way it will take patience, the game will be much slower than the initial consolidation. Yeah I'm leaning towards Wales right now. Does the game alert you when someone converts to heresy or do I have to manually check? Also I have an alert that a title might pass out of my control on the current holder's death. Poking around in game I don't see any way to easily prevent that. My thought is that as soon as the inheritance happens I should make a de jure claim against him. If you press a subjects weak claim and they gain the country in question, do they become your vassal?
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Jul 12, 2014 07:33
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Belasarius posted:You lose the invasion troops once you win the invasion so this is better? I'm pretty sure you dont because a neighbor would just be able to trounce you and your lack of levies, unless that changed recently. Also now I dont personally hold one of the best duchies and a decent Kingdom myself, so....not sure. Instead I started causing poo poo in Wales (because I culture swapped to Welsh right away in the game because I wanted to make Welsh North Afrika).
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catlord posted:Did Norway get Normandy and Cornwall? And what's going on in Italy? Norway holds Normandy but not Cornwall any longer. They also hold Katanes on the northern end of Scotland. I have some strong marriage ties to both Scotland and Norway. Italy I'm not sure what is going on other than it is very fragmented.
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vulturesrow posted:Yeah I'm leaning towards Wales right now. Does the game alert you when someone converts to heresy or do I have to manually check? That de jure claim might work, unless the inheritee is from a larger realm. The notification might only be there because you have a young vassal that hasn't had any kids yet and his nearest relative is a Scottish count or something, its hard to say without more details. For claim wars pushing someone else's claim: They will become your vassal if a)the claim title is a de jure vassal of you or b) they are of your dynasty and the title is of a lower rank than the one you hold Bort Bortles posted:I'm pretty sure you dont because a neighbor would just be able to trounce you and your lack of levies, unless that changed recently. Also now I dont personally hold one of the best duchies and a decent Kingdom myself, so....not sure. Instead I started causing poo poo in Wales (because I culture swapped to Welsh right away in the game because I wanted to make Welsh North Afrika). You absolutely do lose any prepared invasion troops if the war ends by normal means, boats too.
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TheBlackRoija posted:
And any legendary heroes if you don't land them first!
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catlord posted:Did Norway get Normandy and Cornwall? And what's going on in Italy? Norway ends up with Cornwall really often because of de jure shenanigans. Harald wins the war for the throne of England, then gets deposed and loses all of his land in England. But because Cornwall's de jure Wales, not England, it stays part of Norway. It's annoying & happens every time Harald wins, I do wish they'd change it even though it would make Wales even smaller The same thing happens with Normandy if William wins first, then Hardrade takes over.
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So if a norse liege controls three holy sites indirectly through his vassals, is he able to reform a religion? Or does he have to control them directly through vassal godis?
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SynthOrange posted:So if a norse liege controls three holy sites indirectly through his vassals, is he able to reform a religion? Or does he have to control them directly through vassal godis? Far as I know you just need to control them. Doesn't matter if they're in your demense or not, they just need to be in your realm.
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Cool. I was trying to guess what was preventing my liege from reforming the religion, but it looks like norse moral authority has taken a huge hit recently. Booo/
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Jul 12, 2014 11:34
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Sounds like it's time to go burn Rome! 
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Antti posted:Sounds like it's time to go burn Rome! Worked to get me to 100 moral authority as Cathar, along with beating back a crusade and taking some holy sites. But to my disappointment, moral authority isn't enough to become the mainstream version of Christianity, I need more provinces than Catholicism. Which isn't that big a deal, since I have an easy casus belli against the entire Catholic world, but still, there are a lot of Catholics.
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Ugh, lost my window I think. I was trying to raise authority but then my liege died. Ultra-Denmark split up into Denmark and Pomerania and the holy sites are now split between the two. The HRE has also formed and is sitting on the last two non norse controlled sites as well. What a pain in the rear end.
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Antti posted:Sounds like it's time to go burn Rome! Is there ever a wrong time to burn Rome?
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SynthOrange posted:Ugh, lost my window I think. I was trying to raise authority but then my liege died. Ultra-Denmark split up into Denmark and Pomerania and the holy sites are now split between the two. The HRE has also formed and is sitting on the last two non norse controlled sites as well. What a pain in the rear end. Looks like its time to take control the AI will hardly ever reform a religion except by luck.
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Well, in my current game as a count in Sweden (now King, we'll see just for how long), it came within 5% of Moral Authority. Harald Fairhair held 4 holy sites and formed the Kingdom of Germany (but not Norway  ), but then his daughter converted to Catholicism upon ascending to the throne. Norse have a very good chance of reforming on their own, only slightly less than Tengri.
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IF a Norse king can keep his realm together after succession they can reform sometimes. Tengri is almost guaranteed but the Norse have the issue that two of their sites are in Karling hands, one in Frisia, the other in Germany with a massive penalty to short reign negativity. The AI sucks with holy wars so they rarely have the MA and the Vikings like to burn Europe but never conquer much of it. I don't think I've ever seen the other pagans reform, ever.
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Tengri usually reforms in my games, usually due to the Magyars/Hungary. Has anyone ever tried playing as a Suomenusko ruler? They seem to have the worst lands in the entire game, and no interesting game mechanics either.
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Emy posted:Worked to get me to 100 moral authority as Cathar, along with beating back a crusade and taking some holy sites. But to my disappointment, moral authority isn't enough to become the mainstream version of Christianity, I need more provinces than Catholicism. Which isn't that big a deal, since I have an easy casus belli against the entire Catholic world, but still, there are a lot of Catholics. In my current Fratricelli game, I was happily moving along, taking Catholic provinces from France and the HRE and converting them, figuring I was close to becoming mainstream. Then I check the religion map and notice that almost all of the Byzantine Empire has gone Catholic. How the hell does this even happen?
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Automated Posting posted:In my current Fratricelli game, I was happily moving along, taking Catholic provinces from France and the HRE and converting them, figuring I was close to becoming mainstream. Then I check the religion map and notice that almost all of the Byzantine Empire has gone Catholic. How the hell does this even happen? Probably due to marriages and/or claims. I once saw the Byzantine Empire go completely Catholic when the Basileos married off his heir to a landed Catholic Duchess, who proceeded to convert her new hubby to Catholicism. Upon inheritance the new Basileos then converted all of his vassals to Catholicism.
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Beta tests have begun for the 480 mod. I'm going to run a few observer games to see how hosed the world gets before diving into this. Ofaloaf, might want to check it out for your own Rome mod.
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I was playing as Aragorn earlier (norhtern part of Spain, on the border with France). I had no sea access, so no ports, so no ships. I holy warred a bit and quickly expanded my territory, until I had to conquer some tiny islands. I hired that mercenary with the ships. He appeared at my capital and had to sail all around Spain to reach my troops. Then I thought: I'd better first take this piece of land before I head off to those islands. Turns out that boat guy costs 90 gold/month. It took me like 5 months to notice that 
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In my latest observe game the Karlings managed to a have a sudden die-off which left Louis the German: King of East Francia ruler of a united empire of Charlemagne. He had only one son at his death, and managed to pass the entire series of titles off without a big breakup. His son crowned himself the first Emperor of the HRE and immediately proceeded to seize the duchy of Barcelona, half of Hungary, and whatever Balkan states the Byzantines hadn't gotten their hands on. He reached about 35 years old and destroyed all of the kingdom titles except for East Francia one by one. He had two sons who inherited the HRE and East Francia respectively. The second Emperor, Charles, found himself a very prestigious match in the first daughter of the Makadon Basileus of the Byzantines. They had two sons, but by that time the empire was on primogeniture and it no longer mattered. The third Emperor, the grandson of both the HRE's founder and the Byzantine Basileus pressed his claim on the Byzantine throne right after they had won a costly civil war. In one fell swoop, he united both empires under Karling rule just before ushering in a new millennium.
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Jaramin posted:In my latest observe game the Karlings managed to a have a sudden die-off which left Louis the German: King of East Francia ruler of a united empire of Charlemagne. He had only one son at his death, and managed to pass the entire series of titles off without a big breakup. His son crowned himself the first Emperor of the HRE and immediately proceeded to seize the duchy of Barcelona, half of Hungary, and whatever Balkan states the Byzantines hadn't gotten their hands on. He reached about 35 years old and destroyed all of the kingdom titles except for East Francia one by one. He had two sons who inherited the HRE and East Francia respectively. The second Emperor, Charles, found himself a very prestigious match in the first daughter of the Makadon Basileus of the Byzantines. They had two sons, but by that time the empire was on primogeniture and it no longer mattered. The third Emperor, the grandson of both the HRE's founder and the Byzantine Basileus pressed his claim on the Byzantine throne right after they had won a costly civil war. In one fell swoop, he united both empires under Karling rule just before ushering in a new millennium. Will the ai form the Romans empire?
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:Beta tests have begun for the 480 mod. I'm going to run a few observer games to see how hosed the world gets before diving into this.  Today I learned that the new holy orders do activate properly for the mod, and that they behave just like holy orders in vanilla once they're around.
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 Women can now hold council positions and lead troops, depending on the succession law. With Agnatic only men can hold positions, Ag-Cog allows women to hold positions if their stat is above 20, Absolute Cognatic allows anyone to hold positions. Enatic (women only) and Enatic-Cognatic (female preference) are also available, and the opposite is true for men.  After we get this release sorted out, I'm planning on implementing a legislative system. The idea is that more power for the legislature means vassals will rebel much less often, but you'll have less control over your realm. The CK2+ faction system would be adapted. The most powerful faction leader would be the Prime Minister (Speaker in non-British kingdoms). The legislature could do things like give you extra money and troops, prevent you from declaring war or make you to go to war with someone, indict people for treason, decide succession disputes, and whatever else we can think of. You could influence them through diplomacy, intrigue, or learning (legal arguments), as well as by making deals or outright bribery.
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Sam. posted:Women can now hold council positions and lead troops, depending on the succession law. With Agnatic only men can hold positions, Ag-Cog allows women to hold positions if their stat is above 20, Absolute Cognatic allows anyone to hold positions. Enatic (women only) and Enatic-Cognatic (female preference) are also available, and the opposite is true for men. This sounds like something that should be in CKII proper.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Is there ever a wrong time to burn Rome? When in Rome...
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I had a plot going to revoke the Jarldom of Polotsk and I set it in motion and while invading Finland, the target died and the war ended. His kid is now Jarl of Polotsk (and Finland), and the plot is now stuck on that and I can't cancel it because it's been 'set in motion' and there's no decision to restart the war or redemand the title. I know it would succeed if I revoked the title but the guy has no territory left in Polotsk since I took it all away and I'm not sure if sending my, Chancellor to fabricate in Finland would give me a claim on Polotsk. Failing any way to do that, is there a way to use the console to cancel the plot or to refire the decision to start the war? Or even just to take the title from him (without incurring tyranny)? I wanna get back to stabbing. Also I've managed to get the best of all worlds by making the two kingdoms that contain my holdings Primogeniture and leaving the Empire titles and every other kingdom at Gavelkind. No unlanded son penalties, no succession problems so long as I keep my holdings confined to Ruthenia and Rus and I keep the demense bonus, and the ability to cut up any vassal with multiple sons who gets too big. Now I can finally actually use the concubine feature without pumping out a thousand heirs to split everything up.
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Ofaloaf, will Canada be provinced and playable, or is it a hard wilderness at the border to keep things neat?
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Shadeoses posted:Ofaloaf, will Canada be provinced and playable, or is it a hard wilderness at the border to keep things neat? It'll probably get added in as they work. They still have the west of the Mississippi to map out.
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Shadeoses posted:Ofaloaf, will Canada be provinced and playable, or is it a hard wilderness at the border to keep things neat? Some Quebec stuff is already in, I think they're just adding more characters to the land they already have first.
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Shadeoses posted:Ofaloaf, will Canada be provinced and playable, or is it a hard wilderness at the border to keep things neat? Parts of the Maritimes and Quebec are already in. I'm probably not going to go that far north into Canada, because I didn't realize how quickly development drops off the further away you go from the US border and I've been sticking to actual towns and villages for CK2 settlements. Might try to add in a Kingdom of Saguenay despite all that, though.
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