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To hell with all that I'll just buy a loving bigass globe.
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Jul 14, 2014 04:58
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Raskolnikov38 posted:To hell with all that I'll just buy a loving bigass globe. Everything is better when it's bigass
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Jul 14, 2014 05:19
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Why not go with Dymaxion. 
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Jul 14, 2014 05:41
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tractor fanatic posted:If you don't care about shape, and want to preserve size instead, then you can squeeze the vertical direction to counteract the horizontal stretching. Unlike Mercator, there's a whole family of rectangular projections that preserve area, since the relative size of horizontal and vertical lines don't matter. Equal area projections will make squares look like rectangles, and squeeze the shape of things. However, you can choose a pair of lines a specific distance from the equator where squares still look the squares. These are the standard parallels, and regions near them have the least amount of shape distortion, and of course, no area distortion. There's a bunch of equal area projections with different standard parallels, and the most infamous is the Peters projection. The Peters projection has its standard parallel at 45º, and it's the most eurocentric projection ever made. Africa, SE Asia, Central America etc get distorted beyond recognition, but Europe looks nice and pristine on the Peters projection. Unless you live in Norway in which case, gently caress you. Ironic, considering that Peters always pitched the map as trying to do away with Eurocentrism caused by the Mercator map. If you're going to go with an cylindrical equal-area projection, though, Behrmann and Hobo-Dyer generally look a bit better (because objectively more of the Earth's surface is proportionally near the parallels of equal scale)
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Jul 14, 2014 05:54
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Raskolnikov38 posted:To hell with all that I'll just buy a loving bigass globe. 
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Jul 14, 2014 06:15
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Equal-area map projections never work out.
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Jul 14, 2014 06:19
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Raskolnikov38 posted:To hell with all that I'll just buy a loving bigass globe. Anyway, point being, if nerds making map games apparently don't give a hoot about the limitations of map projections, even though it has a direct impact on their games, there's probably not much chance that the general public has any loving clue.
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Jul 14, 2014 08:22
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That is the reason I told the Paradox developers to just shift to a globe for their world-spanning games, since their choice of map projection actually has in-game effects. Using a globe would solve all those issues nicely, plus it would prevent them from making weird rear end loving choices like shifting the Americas hundreds of miles north just because. Alternatively, actually add a formula that converts the distances on the flat map to their real world equivalent, the conversion between the two would be simple as gently caress as long as they didn't actually move any continents around. There's even open source libraries that do that for you, from any map projection to any other map projection, out of this database of like tens of thousands of map projections. But nope, they only cater to the Mercator 
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Jul 14, 2014 08:34
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:There's even open source libraries that do that for you, from any map projection to any other map projection, out of this database of like tens of thousands of map projections. 
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Jul 14, 2014 08:43
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's actually a modified Miller projection. They only, uh... drill her for Miller? I'm sorry
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Jul 14, 2014 08:46
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I'll show you a map from an alternate dimension, one slightly like ours, but with some key differences... Mercator Earth! Here on Oblate-Spheroid-Earth, where we live, the area of 1. Kenya > France 2. Algeria > Greenland 3. Sri Lanka > Denmark 4. Zimbabwe > Germany 5. Guyana > Belarus Mercator is just an easy target, and finding these things out is fun. I have had people tell me Kenya must be bigger than France look at the map.
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Jul 14, 2014 11:34
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That is the reason I told the Paradox developers to just shift to a globe for their world-spanning games... They said that it will be too much programming to do well, they would need to make sure that every province will work while you are zoomed out and other stuff like that.
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Jul 14, 2014 15:29
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Mercator hate is silly. Rag on geography classes for not using at least two different map projections to point out the differences.
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Jul 14, 2014 22:08
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I agree. I don't think it's racist or whatever to use a convenient preexisting map that makes Greenland look like it's the size of Africa. I do think that it would be a good idea to spend at least one or two geography lessons in elementary school showing the kids different maps and comparing them to a globe so they have an idea how these things work, so as to avoid adults I have met who thought that Alaska and eastern Siberia are on opposite sides of the world or that Antarctica is the largest continent.
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Jul 15, 2014 03:53
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Third Murderer posted:I agree. I don't think it's racist or whatever to use a convenient preexisting map that makes Greenland look like it's the size of Africa. I do think that it would be a good idea to spend at least one or two geography lessons in elementary school showing the kids different maps and comparing them to a globe so they have an idea how these things work, so as to avoid adults I have met who thought that Alaska and eastern Siberia are on opposite sides of the world or that Antarctica is the largest continent. It would be easy, even, to show kids with some simple hands-on demonstrations. For example, you could illustrate that all rectangular 2d maps are distortions by showing how it's impossible to take a roll of paper and wrap it around a ball smoothly. It would be a fun exercise to bring in an inflatable globe and toss it around, to compare the shapes and sizes with various rectangular maps. It'd be easy and cheap too!
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Jul 15, 2014 05:05
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I don't think "Mercator hate" is genuinely hate that the projection exists. It's more hate for the way it gets overused in inappropriate contexts.
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Jul 15, 2014 06:12
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Ditocoaf posted:I don't think "Mercator hate" is genuinely hate that the projection exists. It's more hate for the way it gets overused in inappropriate contexts. This. The problem is that it is typically used on maps that don't attempt to say more than "Hello layperson, here is the shape of earth and the countries on it."
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Jul 15, 2014 06:43
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vintagepurple posted:This. The problem is that it is typically used on maps that don't attempt to say more than "Hello layperson, here is the shape of earth and the countries on it." And it's as accurate as any other 2D map for showing the shape of the earth (i.e., it isn't).
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Jul 15, 2014 06:55
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Mercator is great for navigation. That's an important historical aspect.
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Jul 15, 2014 07:42
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Shbobdb posted:Mercator is great for navigation. That's an important historical aspect. Yeah, think of all the school kids when they navigate their first oil tanker when they turn 12.
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Jul 15, 2014 08:08
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When I was younger, I was confused when people said that Africa was the second largest continent, I mean North America is much bigger just look at the map you guys! See!
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Jul 15, 2014 08:18
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computer parts posted:And it's as accurate as any other 2D map for showing the shape of the earth (i.e., it isn't). This is disingenuous, sure the winkel tripel and Robinson maps have inevitable distortion but at least loving Wrangel Island isn't the size of Sri Lanka there.
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Jul 15, 2014 09:07
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khwarezm posted:This is disingenuous, sure the winkel tripel and Robinson maps have inevitable distortion but at least loving Wrangel Island isn't the size of Sri Lanka there. Which is a problem because...?
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Jul 15, 2014 09:22
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Torrannor posted:Which is a problem because...? Because Sri Lanka is more than eight times bigger and as such Mercator is very poor map to reflect the relative size of the earth's landmasses. Mercator is often defended because its the most useful for navigation, which is true, but most of the maps posted here are things like 'what porn site is the most popular?' and a bunch of school kids using maps are usually just learning basic geography as opposed to charting their next expedition to the Philippines so I think discussions about whether a projection actually gives someone a good understand of what the earth looks like are important. (psst, use a globe)
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I guess one of the main reasons why Mercator is used so much for your average what country eats the most cheese map is because many of these maps focus on the Western world and the Mercator projection makes it quite easy to distinguish all the relatively small European countries - and quite often there's nowhere near as much interest in the countries that are deceptively small on those maps. Which I suppose is cultural bias but I can see why it happens.
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Jul 15, 2014 10:05
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sweek0 posted:I guess one of the main reasons why Mercator is used so much for your average what country eats the most cheese map is because many of these maps focus on the Western world and the Mercator projection makes it quite easy to distinguish all the relatively small European countries - and quite often there's nowhere near as much interest in the countries that are deceptively small on those maps. Which I suppose is cultural bias but I can see why it happens. I will say that there a whole bunch of people who consider themselves to have an excellent knowledge of geography, who can parse their Benelux, accurately label the Baltic countries, properly distinguish between Slovakia and Slovenia, but who also mysteriously have a difficult time labeling everything south of Morocco/Algeria/Libya, north of the DRC, and west of the Sudans. Funny, that.
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Jul 15, 2014 10:18
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Javid posted:
Why does Florida have significantly less NO2 pollution compared to other states, going by population?
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Jul 15, 2014 10:23
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Hurricanes cleaning out the air?
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Jul 15, 2014 10:36
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Probably the jetstream carrying air pollution roughly towards the Northeast where it accumulates with the locally grown variety.
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Jul 15, 2014 10:39
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What's that spot in Northwest New Mexico that's a lot bigger/darker than Albuquerque's?
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Jul 15, 2014 10:49
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Lycus posted:What's that spot in Northwest New Mexico that's a lot bigger/darker than Albuquerque's? All the tourism from Four Corners.
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Javid posted:
Southwest Indiana: As dense as New York City.   (Coal power plants in Southeast Illinois, Southwest Indiana, Northwest Kentucky) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibson_Generating_Station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrick_Power_Plant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_E._Ratts_Generating_Station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockport_Power_Plant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwardsport_IGCC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._B._Brown_Generating_Station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersburg_Generating_Station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._B._Culley_Generating_Station And that's just the ones in Indiana with wikipedia pages!! 9.6 Gigawatts. Enough to power 8 Back to the Future time machines, which is how Indiana always seems to be stuck in the 50s. Peanut President fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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Jul 15, 2014 12:15
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Freudian posted:All the tourism from Four Corners. You joke, but the Farmington area is the location of two of New Mexico's coal plants: Four Corners and San Juan. These plants burn the local subbituminous coal, and their resulting pollution is why the various power companies and the EPA have sought to shutter them. They also pollute so much that they were used as the test case for a space-based pollution detection system.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I will say that there a whole bunch of people who consider themselves to have an excellent knowledge of geography, who can parse their Benelux, accurately label the Baltic countries, properly distinguish between Slovakia and Slovenia, but who also mysteriously have a difficult time labeling everything south of Morocco/Algeria/Libya, north of the DRC, and west of the Sudans. Funny, that. Yeah because they're eurocentrists, not because the map is making the countries smaller. Also isn't that region primarily Francophone countries so obviously an Anglophone nation wouldn't be as familiar with them?
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Jul 15, 2014 16:42
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Javid posted:
In my state it is just coal_plants.jpg.
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Jul 15, 2014 16:50
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cheerfullydrab posted:I will say that there a whole bunch of people who consider themselves to have an excellent knowledge of geography, who can parse their Benelux, accurately label the Baltic countries, properly distinguish between Slovakia and Slovenia, but who also mysteriously have a difficult time labeling everything south of Morocco/Algeria/Libya, north of the DRC, and west of the Sudans. Funny, that. This isn't because of maps, it's because we all learn countries from Paradox games, and no Paradox games have modern enough settings for decolonization to have taken place. 
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Jul 15, 2014 16:52
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Mister Adequate posted:This isn't because of maps, it's because we all learn countries from Paradox games, and no Paradox games have modern enough settings for decolonization to have taken place. This is sadly accurate 
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Jul 15, 2014 17:07
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Mister Adequate posted:This isn't because of maps, it's because we all learn countries from Paradox games, and no Paradox games have modern enough settings for decolonization to have taken place. Look at this scrub that doesn't conquer Africa in HoI and release all the countries. Someone at paradox should make sure all the africa provinces are cores of an african nation. I always end up still holding land in Senegal because no one wants it.
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Mister Adequate posted:This isn't because of maps, it's because we all learn countries from Paradox games, and no Paradox games have modern enough settings for decolonization to have taken place. Yes this is literally the reason. My knowledge of European geography and history is pretty awesome, I'd like to think. 400+ hours in EU3, CK2, and EU4. I'm terrible with Africa. Raskolnikov38 posted:Look at this scrub that doesn't conquer Africa in HoI and release all the countries. But I've never played HoI, it seemed really complex.
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