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Maro must fall for the Birds to fly again. Ken Nagle must become the new Magic Man.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:25
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Both Hornet Queen and Hornet's Nest make far more sense as black cards than green cards, and besides black likes insects so it still works flavorwise.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:26
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Lunsku posted:I love Hornet Nest's flavour :3 *casts hornets sting on hornets nest*
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Jul 15, 2014 18:27
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Bread Set Jettison posted:*casts hornets sting on hornets nest* *maro turns inside out and collapses into a singularity*
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Jul 15, 2014 18:29
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Lunsku posted:I love Hornet Nest's flavour :3 The highlight of my prerelease was throwing a Titanic Growth-ed Hornet Nest in front of a Soul of New Phyrexia so it would take the full six damage cause gently caress it why not. I think it's been mentioned in here but the idea of hucking Hornets Nests in front of giant rear end dudes using Chord of Calling in constructed is so unfeasable but so great that by god I'm going to try and make it happen.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:31
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Elyv posted:Correctly or not, Rosewater sees "going to artifacts" as different from it actually being within a color. He talked a lot about that when Hornet Sting was printed. Huh, interesting. Why is that? I understand it when the artifact solution is more expensive (i.e. comparing the 2-mana tap-for-colored-mana Myr cycle to the 1-mana green elves), but if it's the same price as the artifacts I don't see the big deal. Is it just because they need to be vulnerable to artifact hate? The only other reason I can think of is that putting a green background on it hurts the "flavor" of the color, but then the issue is a flavor vs flavor argument and I think "it's a hornet queen with lots of baby hornets" is a lot more persuasive than "Forest creatures don't fly".
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Jul 15, 2014 18:32
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Gumdrop Larry posted:The highlight of my prerelease was throwing a Titanic Growth-ed Hornet Nest in front of a Soul of New Phyrexia so it would take the full six damage cause gently caress it why not. I think it's been mentioned in here but the idea of hucking Hornets Nests in front of giant rear end dudes using Chord of Calling in constructed is so unfeasable but so great that by god I'm going to try and make it happen. The great thing about Chord of Calling being a card is that you get to try to live that dream just by having one nest in your 75.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:32
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TheKingofSprings posted:Maro must fall for the Birds to fly again. "M16 Rules update: Any cards that would go to the graveyard are now exiled. "The Graveyard" is no longer a valid zone. Any cards referencing the graveyard will be errata'd to do nothing."
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Jul 15, 2014 18:33
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Gumdrop Larry posted:The highlight of my prerelease was throwing a Titanic Growth-ed Hornet Nest in front of a Soul of New Phyrexia so it would take the full six damage cause gently caress it why not. Great card advantage play! edit: I can't read A large farva fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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Jul 15, 2014 18:34
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Madmarker posted:Both Hornet Queen and Hornet's Nest make far more sense as black cards than green cards, and besides black likes insects so it still works flavorwise. I have already previously established in this thread how hamsters are more in blacks portion of the color pie than hornets are.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:36
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SharkTattoos posted:The nest takes six damage from a soul of zendikar regardless of how big it is since the soul doesn't have trample. Doesn't sound like you need to titanic growth it. The New Phyrexian Soul does have trample
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Jul 15, 2014 18:36
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I look forward to casting hornets nest and giant growthing my opponents creatures for MAXIMUM HORNETS
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Jul 15, 2014 18:39
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Mortimer posted:Maro eats sleeps and breathes MTG I thought the pre-twitter internet (message boards?) always called HIM out on killing the colour pie. Bread Set Jettison posted:*casts hornets sting on hornets nest* We're through the looking glass, people.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:42
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TheKingofSprings posted:Maro must fall for the Birds to fly again.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:43
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rabidsquid posted:I have already previously established in this thread how hamsters are more in blacks portion of the color pie than hornets are. I didnt see that argument, and I would agree that Hamster would be black since they are rodents. I also wouldn't disagree that insects are more of Green's thing than Black's. Deathtouch is relatively shared, but has moved more toward black over time. But 1/1 fliers are definitely not in Green's slice of the color pie. It is in black's however. It is a clear and unnecessary violation of the color pie to print these cards in green when they could be printed, unaltered, as black cards and make more sense mechanically and relative to the color pie. edit-No it isnt the death of Magic, its just a dumb thing that Maro is right to criticize.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:45
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neetengie posted:Maro is the lesser of two evils if put side by side with Ken Nagle. Maro isn't even evil. If he really wanted to put his foot down and ensure there was no Hornet's Nest because flavor pie he could have but he didn't so we got an awesome card and he just bitches about it on his blog. Nagle on the other hand...
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Jul 15, 2014 18:47
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Lunsku posted:I love Hornet Nest's flavour :3 Bread Set Jettison posted:*casts hornets sting on hornets nest*
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Jul 15, 2014 18:47
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TheKingofSprings posted:Maro must fall for the Birds to fly again. On one hand, I'd never have to play Dredge again. On the other hand, my $1200 worth of Goyfs would be bulk rares. That's a tough choice.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:50
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Retcon posted:Played against that card several times in the prerelease and it was the most annoying card to play against. Decking the first guy who played that card with Sign in Blood because he milled his win conditions with Satyr Wayfinder was satisfying as hell though. My plays against Hornet's Nest in the prerelease were: 1) Ob Nixilis is a great card because a vanilla 4/4 flier for 6 gets the job done against green 2) Soul of Shandalar does 3 damage to up to one target creature after it does 3 to the face, so you can just hit nothing 3) Cone of Flaaaaaaame
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Jul 15, 2014 18:51
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UberJew posted:My plays against Hornet's Nest in the prerelease were: 1) Ob Nixilis is a great card because a vanilla 4/4 flier for 6 gets the job done against green 2) Soul of Shandalar does 3 damage to up to one target creature after it does 3 to the face, so you can just hit nothing 3) Cone of Flaaaaaaame Don't look forward to playing against Cone of Flame in draft though, that card is stupid and I don't get why they reprinted that card. They learned that Mind Control and Overrun shouldn't be uncommons and I'd say Cone is about as strong as those cards in an average game.
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Jul 15, 2014 18:56
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How is a Pro Tour Qualifier executed in general? What are some recommendations to do before the event, when to go, what to bring etc? Hopefully I'll be going to one on the 26th in Albuquerque, but I haven't been to a PTQ before so I would like to know what to do beforehand.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:00
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Retcon posted:Didn't have Soul of Shandalar, but Ob Nixilis and Cone of Flame are a disgusting combination. Kill three of your dudes and make my flier giant? Sure! They were three separate games because any one of those three cards was enough to win a game. I wish I'd gotten to live that Cone of Nixilis dream. I also sadly traded an Ob Nixilis for an Ob Nixilis when my opponent had Boonweaver Giant in hand, the worst trade.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:02
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I want to bake Maro an actual pie with five different-colored fillings and send it to him. But I want to put the pieces out of order and see if he notices/dies.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:03
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Retcon posted:Nah, you need a Bee Sting so you actually kill it. Using your hornet stinger on a hornets nest gets you a hornet. Hornet sting on hornets nest is an elaborate bug sex joke.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:03
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Retcon posted:Didn't have Soul of Shandalar, but Ob Nixilis and Cone of Flame are a disgusting combination. Kill three of your dudes and make my flier giant? Sure! Mind Control was relentlessly stupid, Overrun can win you games out of nowhere. Cone of Flames can be a three for one if you set it up right but it does require setting up a proper board state for it more than the other two cards.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:04
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Madmarker posted:I didnt see that argument, and I would agree that Hamster would be black since they are rodents. I also wouldn't disagree that insects are more of Green's thing than Black's. Deathtouch is relatively shared, but has moved more toward black over time. But 1/1 fliers are definitely not in Green's slice of the color pie. It is in black's however. I find it hilarious that spiders of all goddamned things are the go-to iconic green invertebrate (to the point that they have a near-monopoly on green's Reach keyword) but wasps are a step too far and are the ones that belong in the color that contains black cats, skeletons, and witches.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:08
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Maro's right to be so defensive about the color pie. If Magic dies, it's going to be through some kind of death by a thousand cuts. Hornet Queen is awesome, and isn't overpowered, but you still have to fight against the color pie violation, because if you just let it through that makes it that much easier for something that is an issue to slip through, or for the distinctions between colors to get really muddy. It's like when you see people on the Internet toss out block ideas, and some guy talks about a block where red is blue and blue is green and whatnot. There's no justifiable game play reason, and now you have a bunch of off color effects cluttering Modern and Legacy.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:12
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The Lord of Hats posted:Maro's right to be so defensive about the color pie. If Magic dies, it's going to be through some kind of death by a thousand cuts. Hornet Queen is awesome, and isn't overpowered, but you still have to fight against the color pie violation, because if you just let it through that makes it that much easier for something that is an issue to slip through, or for the distinctions between colors to get really muddy.  hornet queen isn't going to lead to whitening bolt
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Jul 15, 2014 19:25
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rabidsquid posted:Mind Control was relentlessly stupid, Overrun can win you games out of nowhere. Cone of Flames can be a three for one if you set it up right but it does require setting up a proper board state for it more than the other two cards.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:25
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Imagine Planar Chaos gave Lightning Bolt to white and Ponder to green instead of Sunlance and Harmonize. This game be all hosed up. I don't think Damnation was a mistake but similar experiments could get them into deep trouble.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:25
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Zonekeeper posted:I find it hilarious that spiders of all goddamned things are the go-to iconic green invertebrate (to the point that they have a near-monopoly on green's Reach keyword) but wasps are a step too far and are the ones that belong in the color that contains black cats, skeletons, and witches. Creature type isn't why Hornet Queen/Nest shouldn't be in green. The creature type works equally well in either color. What doesn't belong in Green is 1/1 fliers. Thats really the gist of it, green should not have access to flying creatures. It doesn't fit greens mechanics or motif. Yes its a cool card, I enjoy the design on both Hornet Nest/Queen but the G's in its cost should have been Bee's
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Jul 15, 2014 19:30
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Zvi said Damnation was a mistake and the man found nachos at a PT event where no nachos were sold. I trust him.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:34
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Madmarker posted:Creature type isn't why Hornet Queen/Nest shouldn't be in green. The creature type works equally well in either color. What doesn't belong in Green is 1/1 fliers. Thats really the gist of it, green should not have access to flying creatures. It doesn't fit greens mechanics or motif. Yes its a cool card, I enjoy the design on both Hornet Nest/Queen but the G's in its cost should have been Bee's Puns aside...it doesn't hurt the game to have ONE card every few sets that pushes the envelope. It is a decent card that will suck when it comes out into play, but there are cards that are far worse in this set.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:40
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I think yall just need to deal with the fact that they're not zombie hornets and let me enjoy Chording the Nest into large things.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:41
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I just want a gosh darn insect legend other than Thriss.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:43
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Mortimer posted:
Snacksmaniac posted:I just want a gosh darn insect legend other than Thriss. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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Jul 15, 2014 19:47
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I don't think people would be nearly as attached to Damnation if it didn't have the name and art that it did.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:50
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How is "arguing about the color pie" not on the BINGO sheet? Also I have gathered that Ken Nagle has problems with the graveyard functions (how did he live through Innistrad block/Snapcaster Mage?) but what's Steve Argyle's porblem/deal that makes him "ruin" magic?
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Jul 15, 2014 19:52
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Hey so I just made a MODO account and opened my starter kit, isn't there supposed ot be a booster in there? All I got was a bunch of M14 commons/uncommons. Also, what exactly do I do with these New Player Points?
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Jul 15, 2014 19:52
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I understand the arguments against Hornet Queen, but I just can't see it as a big deal of any kind. Sure, green doesn't usually get small fliers, but this is effectively a big flier broken up into little ones. No other color really does fliers this way, not counting stuff like Ornitharch, and as a result feels like a uniquely green implementation of something that green should only get rarely.
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