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Cernunnos posted:what's Steve Argyle's porblem/deal that makes him "ruin" magic? Have you seen his art
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Cernunnos posted:How is "arguing about the color pie" not on the BINGO sheet? He's a generally lovely artist. Then again, Ron Spencer is even worse, and I don't think I've seen many people claim he's ruining Magic, so who knows. *shrug*
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Jul 15, 2014 19:56
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Cernunnos posted:what's Steve Argyle's porblem/deal that makes him "ruin" magic? He treats objects like women, man.
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Jul 15, 2014 19:56
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Cernunnos posted:what's Steve Argyle's porblem/deal that makes him "ruin" magic? He tends to draw women in a very cheesecake style. Also his textures suck - everything looks like it's made of rubber.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:00
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So B.Kibler is streaming a modern brew, it is a really neat deck. He just took down an 8 man with it. 2 horizon canopy 4 razorverge thicket 1 temple garden 1 godless shrine 2 marsh flats 1 overgrown tomb 4 verdant catacombs 1 plains 4 forest 3 gavony township 2 slaughter packt 4 bops 4 nobles 4 quasali pridemage 3 scaveging ooze 4 lingers souls 2 dismember 2 linvala 4 wilt-lief liege 2 ajani mentor of heros 2 brimaz 4 loxodon smiter sb 4 thoughtseize 1 torpor orb 2 stony silence 2 choke 1 dismember 3 aven mindscensor 2 fracturing gust
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Jul 15, 2014 20:00
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Madmarker posted:Creature type isn't why Hornet Queen/Nest shouldn't be in green. The creature type works equally well in either color. What doesn't belong in Green is 1/1 fliers. Thats really the gist of it, green should not have access to flying creatures. It doesn't fit greens mechanics or motif. Yes its a cool card, I enjoy the design on both Hornet Nest/Queen but the G's in its cost should have been Bee's I agree with you, I was just noting how absurd the argument was in terms of creature types. It's still kind of true - you can't really print non-flying wasps, so they don't really work "equally well in either color" if you completely bar green from having fliers altogether. Personally, I think the card concept is fine, but it would have been more 'green' if they did the exact same thing with 1/1 reach/deathtouch spider tokens instead of the hornets. (I like to imagine a 'fixed' Hornet Queen as one of those spiders that carries its young around on its back.)
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Jul 15, 2014 20:02
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jassi007 posted:So B.Kibler is streaming a modern brew, it is a really neat deck. He just took down an 8 man with it. Pod without pod?
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Jul 15, 2014 20:03
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Zonekeeper posted:Personally, I think the card concept is fine, but it would have been more 'green' if they did the exact same thing with 1/1 reach/deathtouch spider tokens instead of the hornets. (I like to imagine a 'fixed' Hornet Queen as one of those spiders that carries its young around on its back.)
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Jul 15, 2014 20:03
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Veyrall posted:BEHOLD!!!! Another color pie breaking insect. Indeed!
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Jul 15, 2014 20:07
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:I understand the arguments against Hornet Queen, but I just can't see it as a big deal of any kind. Sure, green doesn't usually get small fliers, but this is effectively a big flier broken up into little ones. No other color really does fliers this way, not counting stuff like Ornitharch, and as a result feels like a uniquely green implementation of something that green should only get rarely. A 1/1 flyer and a 1/1 flyer with deathtouch are two very different animals.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:07
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Zonekeeper posted:I agree with you, I was just noting how absurd the argument was in terms of creature types. It's still kind of true - you can't really print non-flying wasps, so they don't really work "equally well in either color" if you completely bar green from having fliers altogether. I'm not saying ban Green from ever having fliers, just that they shouldn't have 1/1 fliers. Color pie violations are fine if its in service to a cycle of some kind. I have no problem with Jugan, the Rising Star(well other than the fact he is the worst of the Kamigawa dragon legends). Similar violations in service to an overarching theme of the set are fine but it strikes as bad form to put such a color pie violating card, which is not in service to an overarching theme of the set, in the "beginner" product that is the coreset. Look its not the end of Magic, but it was a bad call by WOTC to let it through, and Maro is right to call them out on it. Would the card be any less awesome as a black card?
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Jul 15, 2014 20:11
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Veyrall posted:
That's the option I was going with. Come on, Wizards. There was a Mycologist card why can't I get a flavorful entomologist (entomancer?) lord?
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Jul 15, 2014 20:14
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It's hilarious that someone posted to point out how silly Maro was acting and now we have half the thread wringing their hands right along with him.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:14
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Madmarker posted:I'm not saying ban Green from ever having fliers, just that they shouldn't have 1/1 fliers. What's wrong with 1/1 specifically? Besides, 1/1 usually implies low mana cost. You're paying 7 mana here; it's not exactly a green Delver.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:15
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JerryLee posted:It's hilarious that someone posted to point out how silly Maro was acting and now we have half the thread wringing their hands right along with him. I guess? I mean, he has a point, and I agree with it. He isn't all "green fliers are forboten" he is saying don't just make cards out of character for a color because a singular person at Wizards likes it or just to have one. He also mentioned other examples of making cards just to make them. Tibalt is awful because someone said "we should have a 2cmc walker" Making things just to make them is dumb, and so is personal pet cards.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:19
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Wait is Scryb Ranger ruining magic too? Scryb Ranger is my second favorite Faerie after Oona 
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Jul 15, 2014 20:19
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The back side of that thing should've been green. 
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Jul 15, 2014 20:21
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Lottery of Babylon posted:What's wrong with 1/1 specifically? Green is the color of powerful creatures, yes it has token making but those are ground creatures. White is the color that gets flying tokens (with some noted bleed in black and blue). It doesn't fit what Green as a color wants to do mechanically. Zoness posted:Wait is Scryb Ranger ruining magic too? It was in Time Spiral Block, so the answer is yes. edit-note I love Time Spiral Block, but it irrefutably hurt sales.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:24
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Wizards please reprint Hornet Sting and Mana Tithe so this thread and Maro have heart attacks thank you for your consideration.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:28
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U Zombies and G Hornets sounds like a good Kitchen Table deck...I wonder if I could put that together...
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Jul 15, 2014 20:29
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jassi007 posted:I guess? I mean, he has a point, and I agree with it. He isn't all "green fliers are forboten" he is saying don't just make cards out of character for a color because a singular person at Wizards likes it or just to have one. He also mentioned other examples of making cards just to make them. Tibalt is awful because someone said "we should have a 2cmc walker" Making things just to make them is dumb, and so is personal pet cards. Tibalt and Hornet Queen are nowhere near comparable. Hornet Queen knocks the top-down design out of the park and is a pretty good card to have in a commander deck or cube or any of the places where it will actually get played, no matter how many aneurysms its existence causes. I know you weren't trying to say that Tibalt and Queen are apples and apples, but even the salient characteristics in each case indicate pretty clearly that it's not as simple as "making things just to make them." (Tibalt isn't awful because he's 2cmc; you could make a good 2cmc walker, as the Deathrite Shaman joke shows. He's awful because someone made a 2cmc walker with awful abilities.) Anyway, not to belabor that point too hard... I would say that if something that even the detractors will likely admit is solidly in-flavor for green (summoning a nest of angry insects) can't actually be mechanically represented in the color without the game designer having a minor meltdown on tumblr, then it's our current understanding of the color pie that is at fault, not the fact that summoning hornets is nature magic. JerryLee fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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Jul 15, 2014 20:30
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I demand Monowhite goblins and/or zombies
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neetengie posted:How is a Pro Tour Qualifier executed in general? What are some recommendations to do before the event, when to go, what to bring etc? Hopefully I'll be going to one on the 26th in Albuquerque, but I haven't been to a PTQ before so I would like to know what to do beforehand. Is this a limited or constructed PTQ?
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Jul 15, 2014 20:34
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Elyv posted:Is this a limited or constructed PTQ?
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Jul 15, 2014 20:35
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Bread Set Jettison posted:I demand white goblins and/or zombies Eventide's got you covered. http://magiccards.info/eve/en/141.html http://magiccards.info/eve/en/95.html
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Jul 15, 2014 20:36
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Vomax posted:Eventide's got you covered. SHM and EVE had a bunch of neat niche races (flavor races, not type lines) that haven't ever appeared anywhere else in Magic. Duergar, hobgoblins, selkies, noggles... Sucks they don't get as much representation elsewhere.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:39
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Insects are in a weird place in the color pie. Most are green, red, and black (not going to talk about delver or sludge strider). Ignoring the multicolor ones for now, black ones are generally insects that eat carrion (cockroaches, maggots, scarabs, Mortician Beetle) or brains (weevils, maggots, devouring swarm), ones that transmit diseases (mosquitoes, plague stinger, plague fiend, plague beetle), or that are venomous (blister beetle, caustic crawler) but not always as Venomous Dragonfly and Caustic Wasps are both green and they are probably victims of old design. The only modern design wasp is black. Bane of the living doesn't really seem to fit in any category. Red insects are somewhat all over the place. Some of them seem to be old design (army ants) or red just because it has fire in the name (firelfy, fire ants, flameborn viron). Red also gets the "player discards all the cards in his or her hand, then draws that many cards" based on combat damage (shocker, barbed shocker) or on blocking (Robber Fly). Red also gets the insects that live in mountains (lithophage, flameborn viron, clickslither, plated geopede). Green gets the majority of them with mantis, most beetles, bees (old design), wasps (old design and time spiral), hornets, dragon flies, ants, and a generic Giant Caterpillar]caterpillar/butterfly (also old design). Moths are white except for Hawkeater Moth. Locusts are green (old design?) and black(modern design) and so are gnats (both old cards). Insect people (nantuko) are green, except for the dead ones which are black also perilous shadow. Mechanics/flavor drive colors as well. Pre Scars phyrexian bugs are black because the phyrexians are black, but after scars they can be green as well. Green gets to screw with the opponent casting spells (xantid swarm), and gets to destroy enchantments/artifacts (rust scarab). Golgari gets insects in hybrid b/g and gold cards.
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Jul 15, 2014 20:46
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Take flying off of Hornet Queen and it's a perfectly acceptable green card. Yes green shouldn't get good fliers very often but one once in a blue moon won't hurt anyone. Also I just wanted to make a joke about an actual color pie. What flavors would a color pie pie be split into? Bonus points if allied flavors go well together and enemy flavors taste bad together. I'm thinking - Red: Cherry Black: Blackberry Blue: Blueberry White: Lemon merengue? Green: Key lime No, I don't know anything about making pie. Why?
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Jul 15, 2014 20:47
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White would be Coconut Cream.
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JerryLee posted:Tibalt and Hornet Queen are nowhere near comparable. Hornet Queen knocks the top-down design out of the park and is a pretty good card to have in a commander deck or cube or any of the places where it will actually get played, no matter how many aneurysms its existence causes. I know you weren't trying to say that Tibalt and Queen are apples and apples, but even the salient characteristics in each case indicate pretty clearly that it's not as simple as "making things just to make them." (Tibalt isn't awful because he's 2cmc; you could make a good 2cmc walker, as the Deathrite Shaman joke shows. He's awful because someone made a 2cmc walker with awful abilities.) You can justify a LOT of things just on flavor, but if you don't actually place restrictions what is the point of colors having identities, strengths and weaknesses at all? How about colossal whale. It is not a good card, but flavor justification for a blue creature exiling a target creature is stupid. Hur its a whale it swallowed him. Blue deals with creatures by bouncing or top of library not exiling. That is a white ability, re banisher priest and fiend hunter etc. I tend to agree that the ways colors do things is an important part of the game. If red had an enchantment removal spell it would be really good (burn wise) Leyline is a card that is super hard for red to deal with, for a good reason. Green doesn't get fliers because that is a form of evasion, it gets trample. a 7 cmc green creature is expected to be large and probably have trample if it gets evasion because that is green. A swarm of fliers is generally white, deathtouch is green but a small deathtouch flier is most likely black. At the least hornet queen should be golgari. jassi007 fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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Snacksmaniac posted:White would be Coconut Cream. Red better be strawberry rhubarb Black can boisonberry also good keylime pie isn't green  E: Green Keylime pie is like birds of paradise because
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Jul 15, 2014 20:55
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Bread Set Jettison posted:
THANK you. People don't understand the pie pie these days.
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Jul 15, 2014 21:01
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C-Euro posted:Take flying off of Hornet Queen and it's a perfectly acceptable green card. Yes green shouldn't get good fliers very often but one once in a blue moon won't hurt anyone. Can we stop arguing in circles about the color pie and start arguing about this color pie instead?
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Jul 15, 2014 21:03
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neetengie posted:It's Modern, decklists needed, Competitive REL, FB page for it is here. Competitive REL and decklists required are standard for PTQs. So, things to keep in mind: 1) Bring food/water A PTQ is an all day thing, and you often won't have time between rounds to get something. Staying well-fed/hydrated is important. 2) Try to have most of your decklist written up ahead of time, if possible Having a couple of flex slots in your sideboard or whatever until you get to the actual event is fine, but you don't want to be frantically writing down your decklist and make some sort of dumb mistake. 3) If possible, practice your deck ahead of time Magic can be mentally draining and PTQs can be kind of a marathon, and you don't want to be out of mental energy in like round 5 or 6 because you have to think your way through what would be routine plays or make mistakes like cracking a Misty to get Stomping Grounds, only to find both of your Stomping Grounds are already in play. 4) Watch your triggers At Competitive REL, your opponent is under no obligation to point out your triggers. You don't have to say "Kitchen Finks, lifegain trigger on the stack"; "Kitchen Finks, gain 2" is perfectly acceptable, but Kitchen Finks, continue with turn, at the beginning of next turn go "Oh shoot, I forgot to gain 2!" is not. 5) Keep an eye on your possessions A good Modern deck is worth somewhere between several hundred to possibly over a thousand dollars that is difficult to trace and should be treated that way. I've personally never had magical cards stolen, but I have friends who have and it sucks. 6) Bring pen and paper Recently, there was a new rule added that says you can't use phones to keep track of life totals at competitive REL and that you need actual pen and paper. I consistently forget this one for some reason, I even almost forgot it off my list. 7) Have fun! At the end of the day, you're going to this tournament to play cards with a bunch of other people. If you're not having fun, what's the point?
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Elyv posted:5) Keep an eye on your possessions As loving dorky as they are, a fanny pack seems like it would be your friend here. Keeping your cards in a pouch that's strapped to your waist at all times seems like a better way to keep track of them than putting them in an easily lost/stolen backpack or messenger bag.
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Jul 15, 2014 21:32
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Elyv posted:Competitive REL and decklists required are standard for PTQs. I'll be playing the Rock, and know that some usually 'scout' the field to see what everyone else is playing, but I don't know if I have the time to do that. So I'll just have a generic sideboard, unless I arrive early enough. Thanks again. Thanks for that. neetengie fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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Jul 15, 2014 21:35
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They'll have decklists for you to fill out there, and they'll almost always be collected during play in round 1. If you know what list you're going to play, it'll make your life a lot easier to fill one out before you go, though.
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Jul 15, 2014 21:46
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Here you go.
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Jul 15, 2014 21:48
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http://deckstats.net/?lng=en can also print them out with name and DCI on it as well.
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UberJew posted:Wizards please reprint Hornet Sting and Mana Tithe so this thread and Maro have heart attacks thank you for your consideration. Also, reprint Dark Ritual in a core set and stop printing 1R casting cost creatures that are better than Ironclaw Orcs.
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