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Spiderdrake posted:Yeah Maro's complaining about an insect being off-color just falls flat every time someone mentions Delver. Delver was originally green and triggered off of creatures, and I think it was development that changed it to blue and spells. But mad scientist that experiments on himself and turns himself into an insect monster is pretty blue, especially on Innistrad.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:But is Hornet Cannon canon? If I were a betting man I would say that was the joke.
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Elyv posted:There are way too many color rules to break all of them in a single small set. Rebuff the wicked in white, but it was narrowly focused. It was almost a color shifted avoid fate, but its still better.
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Yeah, Delver is blue as hell. He's a mad scientist whose own sense of experimentation gets the better of him, archetypal blue story. Now Insectile Aberration, that is not a blue creature. It doesn't change itself (it's the final 'stage'), and between Flying and the 3/2, it's more red/black than anything. It doesn't make a significant difference mechanically, I'll admit.
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Hey one last stupid new person question. What's up with the 'deck builder toolkit' things, are they like giant randomized boosters with a brick of lands or are they preset and I can check the list to see if they're of any use to me? I'm kinda more a casual/collector type so I don't mind a box of mostly meh stuff but I'd ideally like to build my own deck that's useful from the thing called deck builder toolkit!
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Off topic, but whats the thoughts on the new torpor orb creature? Is that looking like a wise card to pick up a playset of while it's still cheap? Seems like it's begging for use in the older formats.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hey one last stupid new person question. What's up with the 'deck builder toolkit' things, are they like giant randomized boosters with a brick of lands or are they preset and I can check the list to see if they're of any use to me? I'm kinda more a casual/collector type so I don't mind a box of mostly meh stuff but I'd ideally like to build my own deck that's useful from the thing called deck builder toolkit! I've heard it's pretty good precisely for making your own deck from it, but I'm not sure if it's all preset and how random it is. I think that in M15 there's some cards you can only get in the toolbox, but I'm not sure on that.
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Jul 16, 2014 00:09
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Someone posted ashling in the DotP thread. Why does it force a sacrifice? Is there a "sacrifice matters" theme in Shadowmoor I wasn't aware of until just now?
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Jul 16, 2014 00:23
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The block dedicated to gods didn't reprint Wrath of God or Damnation. They didn't just drop the ball, they threw it full force into the ground 
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Jul 16, 2014 00:24
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Off topic, but whats the thoughts on the new torpor orb creature? Is that looking like a wise card to pick up a playset of while it's still cheap? Seems like it's begging for use in the older formats. Torpor Orb gets worse when it can be Pathed, Bolted, Dismembered, etc. Its price has only been going down; it started at $6/ea and now you can snag a playset for $10. It'll never be bulk, especially since it has flash, and it's solid against Pod (substantially less solid against Twin as the pros keep pointing out), but "Torpor Orb on a body" is closer to a disadvantage than people realize.
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Jul 16, 2014 00:25
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Mortimer posted:The block dedicated to gods didn't reprint Wrath of God or Damnation. They have the no regen clause which they are moving away from. Except for that one black removal spell in M15 for some reason.
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Jul 16, 2014 00:28
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Boxman posted:Someone posted ashling in the DotP thread. Why does it force a sacrifice? Is there a "sacrifice matters" theme in Shadowmoor I wasn't aware of until just now? Possibly to get around indestructible effects and the like? Not very familiar with Shadowmoor to be honest, sorry.
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Serperoth posted:Possibly to get around indestructible effects and the like? Not very familiar with Shadowmoor to be honest, sorry. Indestructible and regenerate make sense and I temporarily forgot they exist. Thanks!
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Jul 16, 2014 00:34
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Mortimer posted:The block dedicated to gods didn't reprint Wrath of God or Damnation. Hey, we're still getting a Heliod themed Wrath of God in FTV: 
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Hey, we're still getting a Heliod themed Wrath of God in FTV: Erebos themed Damnation would be cool.
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Serperoth posted:Possibly to get around indestructible effects and the like? Not very familiar with Shadowmoor to be honest, sorry. e: nm I can't read vOv fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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Jul 16, 2014 00:50
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PrinnySquadron posted:They have the no regen clause which they are moving away from. Except for that one black removal spell in M15 for some reason. It was never that common an ability to begin with.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:07
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Cernunnos posted:Erebos themed Damnation would be cool. You already have something much cooler and much more flavorful. 
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AlternateNu posted:You already have something much cooler and much more flavorful. Much cooler and much more flavorful but objectively worse in many ways
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vOv posted:Also, the fact that the choice happens on resolution means that if they bounce their biggest dude you can just pick a different one. You still choose the target creature when the ability is put on the stack, which gives them a chance to bounce.
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Jul 16, 2014 01:27
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Spiderdrake posted:It was never that common an ability to begin with. What are you talking about? It was so common that it had its own pseudo-keyword in "Bury". The two most iconic creature destruction spells (Wrath of God and Terror) both had the no regeneration rider and were in print constantly alongside spells like Incinerate and others for years until they started phasing it out with NWO in order to make regeneration a useful ability.
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Nibble posted:You still choose the target creature when the ability is put on the stack, which gives them a chance to bounce. Oh, yeah, the effect does still target.
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Boxman posted:Indestructible and regenerate make sense and I temporarily forgot they exist. Thanks! Honestly, that seems a little narrow for that era of Wizards, especially since there wasn't much indestructible/regeneration right then, iirc. Since this is on a legend my guess is that R&D/Creative felt it was more flavorful that way(I'm actually somewhat familiar with Lorwyn's story, but I don't remember much about Ashling.)
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Jul 16, 2014 01:38
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Cernunnos posted:Erebos themed Damnation would be cool. It'd be neat, but there's no way it would be cooler than OG Damnation. The original printing is just... perfect. There's no topping it.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hey one last stupid new person question. What's up with the 'deck builder toolkit' things, are they like giant randomized boosters with a brick of lands or are they preset and I can check the list to see if they're of any use to me? I'm kinda more a casual/collector type so I don't mind a box of mostly meh stuff but I'd ideally like to build my own deck that's useful from the thing called deck builder toolkit!
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Jul 16, 2014 01:56
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Hornet Queen is pretty hilarious with convoke. Was watching an SCG VS video. Had a D-sphere come down targeting the tokens, in response Convoked Chord of Calling in response to grab Reclamation Sage to kill another D-sphere or something.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Big green could, and anything that uses generator servant and shrapnel blast. Tossing around an idea for a b/r deck that uses those and rescue from the underworld to maximize scuttle value. I'm going to be doing some work with Life's Legacy as well.
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Oh yeah, in general how long are PTQ's? Are they just as long as Grand Prix's?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hey one last stupid new person question. What's up with the 'deck builder toolkit' things, are they like giant randomized boosters with a brick of lands or are they preset and I can check the list to see if they're of any use to me? I'm kinda more a casual/collector type so I don't mind a box of mostly meh stuff but I'd ideally like to build my own deck that's useful from the thing called deck builder toolkit! You get land, playsets of various staples, randomized sets of thematically similar cards, and boosters from recent sets
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dragon enthusiast posted:You get land, playsets of various staples, randomized sets of thematically similar cards, and boosters from recent sets Nifty, exactly what I was hoping for.
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neetengie posted:Oh yeah, in general how long are PTQ's? Are they just as long as Grand Prix's? Sometimes longer than Day 1. If you're over 128 people you're looking at 8 rounds of swiss followed by Top 8 all in one day, hence the recommendations of find food/water.
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AnacondaHL posted:Sometimes longer than Day 1. If you're over 128 people you're looking at 8 rounds of swiss followed by Top 8 all in one day, hence the recommendations of find food/water.
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http://www.twitch.tv/randybuehler Randy Buehler is streaming vintage if anyone is interested.
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Bugsy posted:http://www.twitch.tv/randybuehler
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AnacondaHL posted:Sometimes longer than Day 1. If you're over 128 people you're looking at 8 rounds of swiss followed by Top 8 all in one day, hence the recommendations of find food/water. Come to Seattle where our ptq's are > 256 people. Start a bit late, sealed pool registration, deckbuilding, 9 rounds, then a top 8 draft, more deckbuilding, then 3 more rounds. Good luck!
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Come to Seattle where our ptq's are > 256 people. Start a bit late, sealed pool registration, deckbuilding, 9 rounds, then a top 8 draft, more deckbuilding, then 3 more rounds. Good luck! Which is why I like to cube with booze, har.
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Jul 16, 2014 14:22
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Does the MODO cube start back up today?
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Nissa is 32.50 TCG Low. lol
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mcmagic posted:Nissa is 32.50 TCG Low. lol So, what's the historical stable cost for a widely played core set 'walker? 30 is about the maximum for an expert expansion, right (looking at historical trends for Jace, Elspeth, and Domri)? Obviously there's some pre-release shenanigans happening here, but even if we assume she's format defining, surely we aren't talking a lot more expensive than this.
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Boxman posted:So, what's the historical stable cost for a widely played core set 'walker? 30 is about the maximum for an expert expansion, right (looking at historical trends for Jace, Elspeth, and Domri)? Obviously there's some pre-release shenanigans happening here, but even if we assume she's format defining, surely we aren't talking a lot more expensive than this. Didn't Domri spike around 30 and stabilize around 25? Elspeth has hovered around 20 and Jace AOT was around 18 when it was seeing the most play. I don't think this price is close to sustainable.
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