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taco_fox posted:flat, low contrast UI design is loving terrible and gently caress anyone who thinks otherwise bring back hotdog theme satin
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EMILY BLUNTS posted:thing is communism can almost work. minus communists
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EMILY BLUNTS posted:thing is metro can almost work. minus metro apps, or have desktop/metro as one with a button to switch? the start button does this now kind of but yeah the two interfaces either need to be unified or reduced to one in a mostly-irrevocable gently caress you kind of way, like what windows 95 did to the cli babby clown no-feature garbage UIs work great on the phones that inspired metro ui but on the desktop there is literally zero reason for it, just like there's no reason for a metro program to monopolize the entire screen when i launch it
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infernal machines posted:meh, in practice they actually work pretty well in terms of at a glance info and ease of access to commonly used apps/tasks. it's customizable enough to be useful (size and location, with detail based on widget size) without being android levels of loving retarded yeah, just to clarify, i'm talking about winPho here. metro has no place on the desktop and only barely works on a tablet
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glance info only works if the data is glanceable and most isn't weather: sure missed call: maybe text: only if it's short your next meeting: only if the name is short email: a loving joke every time I've seen it used IRL it's like 3 lines of RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:project status so it's really good for weather and bad for literally everything else
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:im still utterly baffled that they decided to ignore the beta outcry and shove the start screen down desktop users' throats, only to turn around and backtrack after the damage was already done they shitcanned the guy who gave us the gift of metro. they backtracked after they canned him
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:they shitcanned the guy who gave us the gift of metro. they backtracked after they canned him strangely the 20 levels of managers including ballmer who pinned their whole company's future on it seem to still be around
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qirex posted:glance info only works if the data is glanceable and most isn't i apparently get different emails than you. of course you could always change the tile to square so that it only shows the number of unread messages. i mean, i have an iphone now, but i used winPho for two years before that (since launch). it had problems for sure, but metro basically did what they intended it to do
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qirex posted:glance info only works if the data is glanceable and most isn't
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qirex posted:glance info only works if the data is glanceable and most isn't mine seem fairly good Amazon - your dildo has shipped Work - Extra feature requests? Dad - Did you start a business yet?
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i watched a build talk on desktop apps and their solution for vector graphics was using fonts and html touchpad multitouch stuff can either use the built-in mouse emulation (lovely scrolling, terrible stepped zooming) or, "tell windows you'll handle all touchpad stuff in app" tyoo(dark)l 2014 i mean it's like they're treating their most important env the same way apple treats itunes for windows AtomD fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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qirex posted:strangely the 20 levels of managers including ballmer who pinned their whole company's future on it seem to still be around the problem here is obvious: needed 21 managers
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AtomD posted:i watched a build talk on desktop apps and their solution for vector graphics was using fonts and html holy poo poo even native win8 doesn't have proper multitouch and smooth scrolling? really?? the platform made specifically for touch and then crammed into the desktop doesn't natively support touch?
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:holy poo poo even native win8 doesn't have proper multitouch and smooth scrolling? really?? the platform made specifically for touch and then crammed into the desktop doesn't natively support touch? uh it's still running windows~
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:holy poo poo even native win8 doesn't have proper multitouch and smooth scrolling? really?? the platform made specifically for touch and then crammed into the desktop doesn't natively support touch? it does for touch screens but not for touchpads apparently. the screen multitouch works better than any apple device i've ever used even if full screen multitouch is pointless.
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also vector graphics are the primary source of icons and symbols and stuff in xaml
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qirex posted:strangely the 20 levels of managers including ballmer who pinned their whole company's future on it seem to still be around Ballmer was fired and the new guy is cleaning house
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:holy poo poo even native win8 doesn't have proper multitouch and smooth scrolling? really?? the platform made specifically for touch and then crammed into the desktop doesn't natively support touch? lol if you think all surface 'design' and 'implementation' was not a complete and total bureaucratic slamjob
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Shaggar posted:it does for touch screens but not for touchpads apparently. yea but why? it's already treating touchpads like touchscreens in the dumb ways like swiping touchpads to bring up the charm bar. why not fix a major drawback to windows touchpads? I'm thinking the answer is to maintain compatibility with poo poo-tier touchpads that cheapo manufacturers will put in win8 netbooks, but it's still mind-boggling
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yeah i wouldnt be surprised if garbage trackpads interpret two finger scrolling internally and pass a scrollwheel command to the os instead of just sending the touch point data and letting the os not totally gently caress it up
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w8 (and server 2012/r2 lol) throw some pretty hilarious errors in the event log when they decide that your mouse device input is in fact a touch input, like when using RDP for example. whole bunch of unexpected vector blah blah errors spam the log
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used a Lenovo idea pad for a bit. worked ok. much better trackpad than x1 carbon and yoga. Edge doesn't catch on your finger or fly around when you just want to click.
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EMILY BLUNTS posted:used a Lenovo idea pad for a bit. worked ok. much better trackpad than x1 carbon and yoga. Edge doesn't catch on your finger or fly around when you just want to click. the x1 touchpad is okay once you do some configuration and turn off bullshit gestures and poo poo or just use an external mouse
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MeruFM posted:Amazon - your dildo has shipped dear dad, new web business is really taking off. lots of requests for extra feature-length dildo insertion videos. making u proud, MeruFM
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:holy poo poo even native win8 doesn't have proper multitouch and smooth scrolling? really?? the platform made specifically for touch and then crammed into the desktop doesn't natively support touch? uh I think the post you quoted says it does? If you say you can handle multitouch then you'll get multitouch. If you don't, then Windows will do the least terrible thing it can and use the touchpad to emulate a mouse with a mouse wheel so it can spoonfeed you something you can vaguely understand http://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/libinput/ multitouch touchpads are hard; these days they just give the OS completely raw multitouch data and the OS is expected to figure everything else out on its own. like the fact that certain zones on the touchpad are actually mouse buttons.
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Mr Dog posted:If you say you can handle multitouch then you'll get multitouch. If you don't, then Windows will do the least terrible thing it can and use the touchpad to emulate a mouse with a mouse wheel so it can spoonfeed you something you can vaguely understand osx/ios apis do the same thing. if you ask for multitouch data you receive it, or you can let the os spoonfeed you events that are already interpreted they have a much longer list of events they can spoonfeed you, and i suspect a lot of controls you dump in your app support the touch stuff intrinsically without you doing any work before unleashing millions of devices on the world maybe microsoft should have made it at least that easy to 'support' touch
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the pathetic thing about MS is that they continue to act like they can poo poo down peoples' throat because lmao what teh gently caress are u going to do about it, even in market areas where they're having less than no success breaking in. like they don't even pretend to provide something with better features and performance than the competition before they start making GBS threads down their throat, it's "right, ads in the core OS, day one" even though windows 7 still exists and can be obtained and there is absolutely nothing compelling about windows 8. processor cores designed exclusively for ads and xbox live gold subscription requirements for netflix "because gently caress you, that's why" despite the fact that xbox one is garbage for playing games as opposed to shoving loving ads down your throat and the console is a complete and utter flop because of it. watching apple and google absolutely wreck their poo poo is delicious. at least a google monopoly would be easier to get rid of further down the road than a microsoft one.
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Mr Dog posted:the pathetic thing about MS is that they continue to act like they can poo poo down peoples' throat because lmao what teh gently caress are u going to do about it, even in market areas where they're having less than no success breaking in. I mean they'll likely control enterprise still for the long foreseeable future but even there they can't really dictate their will; see the XP->anything transitions and just about all businesses deciding to skip Win8.
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Fabricated posted:I mean they'll likely control enterprise still for the long foreseeable future i dont see anything replacing ad anytime soon server2012r2 is kinda nice
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Mr Dog posted:xbox live gold subscription requirements for netflix "because gently caress you, that's why" despite the fact that xbox one is garbage for playing games as opposed to shoving loving ads down your throat and the console is a complete and utter flop because of it. i think they dropped this one (after 5 years)
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graph posted:i dont see anything replacing ad anytime soon edirectory! or domino
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Last Chance posted:i think they dropped this one (after 5 years) Yup, just a few weeks ago, when devices that would stream without an extra subscription requirements started selling for less than a 1 year Gold membership.
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considering there are still places using domino and netware due to how entrenched it is, AD will be around for a while. besides, what are they going to switch to, openLDAP? lmao
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i have a good enterprise software anecdote: my university was one of the first places to develop an electronic class scheduler / transcript database way back in the fuckin 60's, they sold it to other universities and poo poo but in the 80s it was gettin hella outdated so they formed a committee to decide what to do. the committee waffled for nearly a decade and decided to contract it out. they have flip-flopped on vendors (because each of them did an even shittier job than the last) for decades now over the issue and the school has been eaten alive by software consultants ever since, for thirty years.
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Socracheese posted:i have a good enterprise software anecdote: 
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Mr Dog posted:processor cores designed exclusively for ads somehow let this be real
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Mr Dog posted:processor cores designed exclusively for aids
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infernal machines posted:considering there are still places using domino and netware due to how entrenched it is, AD will be around for a while. RedHat Identity Management/FreeIPA surprisingly does not suck. I'm rolling it out at a nonprofit I volunteer at and it's really just set and forget. i am seriously impressed that someone managed to take Netscape directory server and put it with some other tools to make it not awful.
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infernal machines posted:besides, what are they going to switch to, openLDAP? lmao netscape ldap, the original non-poo poo implementation, was open sourced a few years ago. as far as ldap goes it's significantly faster than ad and better under high loads. minivanmegafun posted:RedHat Identity Management/FreeIPA surprisingly does not suck. I'm rolling it out at a nonprofit I volunteer at and it's really just set and forget. i am seriously impressed that someone managed to take Netscape directory server and put it with some other tools to make it not awful. rhim / freeipa is open source netscape ldap + standard mit kerberos + a fancy client/server model to distribute keys/principals and configure all your linux clients automatically if you have anything that's not linux you have to configure the clients manually. oops.
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infernal machines posted:considering there are still places using domino and netware due to how entrenched it is, AD will be around for a while. netware is just a daemon you run on linux now 
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