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Tippis posted:That, or just open up for three-way brawls over some common objective Yeah - it'd be neat for scenario design, as well as setting up three-player FFAs.
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It's already possible to do all of that. Just Say No to a third faction
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alg posted:It's already possible to do all of that. Just Say No to a third faction
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Some Star Wars sketch comedy that seems somewhat appropriate to this thread. Brown X-Wing Squadron Brown B-Wing Squadron Brown Snowspeeder Squadron NWS for salty language.
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Tekopo posted:Why? It's already a tight game. No reason to introduce a new faction when bounty hunters/scum fit perfectly fine on Imperials. They can introduce new mechanics to Imperials to balance out some weaknesses and give Imperial only players minis to buy  Take a look at the shittyness of Attack Wing to see the result of many factions.
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alg posted:It's already possible to do all of that. Just Say No to a third faction Sure you can do that — there's nothing in the rules that particularly work against it — but you'd still only have three ships that would make any kind of sense to be on that third side: the Z-95, the YT-1300 and the Firespray. Conversely, there are a lot of ships that they could add that wouldn't make any sense at all if they tried to squeeze them into either the rebel or the imperial side. I suppose that with the release of the YT-2400, we'd have a fourth, but that would make it three large and one normal-sized ship. A lot more variety and balance could be afforded those kinds of scenarios (and more $$$ to FFG) if they released a wider selection of “neutral” fighters. quote:Take a look at the shittyness of Attack Wing to see the result of many factions. Tippis fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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HOOLY BOOLY posted:Do i sense a Jedi Starfighter and Trade Federation Control Ship for Wave 6 Whatever you think of the prequels and the Clone Wars series, lovely ship designs isn't one of the criticisms you can legitimately make. FFG might be dedicated to a long-term strategy of sticking their fingers in their ears and going "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU, DISNEY" but that's leaving a lot of potentially cool models unexplored.
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Madurai posted:Whatever you think of the prequels and the Clone Wars series, lovely ship designs isn't one of the criticisms you can legitimately make. Counterpoint: 
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Even if we get no other prequel ships, I'd love to see a Naboo Starfighter as a callback to the Rogue Squadron video game. That and the Buick, but I need to temper my expectations for that one. EDIT: Lemon Curdistan posted:Counterpoint: The V-Wing is awesome and I will cut anyone who disagrees.
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Let's see, we got 5 TIE Experimentals, the Scimitar Assault Bomber, TIE Avenger, TIE Oppressor, the TIE Droid, Nebulon B Frigate, Zebulon-B Frigate, Warden and Guardian class cruisers, CR92a Assassin Corvette, and a number of traditionally Rebellion vessels that were originally built for the Empire.
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I don't know about most of those capital ships but the Nebulon-B is twice as long as the CR90. It would be silly to make one.
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I don't think the experimentals are likely to be produced because I don't really see how you would do 'turbolaser strapped to pod' justice. Or how you would make one of them something other than just an intie with missiles. Or the suicide boat one. And they look ugly as hell.
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7thBatallion posted:Let's see, we got 5 TIE Experimentals, the Scimitar Assault Bomber, TIE Avenger, TIE Oppressor, the TIE Droid, Nebulon B Frigate, Zebulon-B Frigate, Warden and Guardian class cruisers, CR92a Assassin Corvette, and a number of traditionally Rebellion vessels that were originally built for the Empire. I'd rather see Y-wing, Z-95, and CR-90 with Imperial repaints first.
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jivjov posted:The V-Wing is awesome and I will cut anyone who disagrees. I love the V-Wing, it has a cheap good Lego set. 
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Swagger Dagger posted:I love the V-Wing, it has a cheap good Lego set. I picked up the older set that was all black and game with a wee little black-and-silver astromech droid. Good stuff.
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Maybe we need to think outside the box:
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adamantium|wang posted:Maybe we need to think outside the box:
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Crew: Princess Vespa Action: Cause 1 Stress to every ship within Range 1-2. Then take 2 Stress tokens.
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So er.. some of you might like to see this, it's pretty awesome  http://randolphw.github.io/echolocation/ have a play around with the controls, it's basically every location possible when de-cloaking echo and barrel rolling. Real eye opener to see how flexible the movement of the phantom (specifically echo) can be.
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adamantium|wang posted:Maybe we need to think outside the box: Give! Now!
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The replacement for my damaged Interceptor literally just arrived, and somehow managed to make it from the US to the UK without being crushed in transit.  Really impressed with FFG's customer service.
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adamantium|wang posted:Maybe we need to think outside the box: That looks very polished. Is it just a one off?
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I wish I knew, found it on /tg/ the other day.
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adamantium|wang posted:I wish I knew, found it on /tg/ the other day. This may be it here. http://www.shapeways.com/model/1577774/eagle-5-starbago.html?modelId=1577774&materialId=6 The person that made that plan has 29 pages of ships, good god!
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Indolent Bastard posted:This may be it here. Holy hell. Ok, I retract my previous statement about running out of ships.
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Looks like beefy falcon with z-95 escorts and beefy phantom with an anchor, usually a lambda, and the baron are the good builds nowadays. Gunner's getting it's time to shine. We'll see if nationals changes this but I don't think it should unless there's a surge of people who suddenly don't care about phantoms anymore. I'm just really glad high PS heavy hitters with gunners and stress inducers are in. It became really boring to joust b-wings vs. ties - though I did that myself for one tournament. I am enjoying the higher skill cap req of maneuvering a single VIP ship.
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Chill la Chill posted:Looks like beefy falcon with z-95 escorts and beefy phantom with an anchor, usually a lambda, and the baron are the good builds nowadays. Gunner's getting it's time to shine. We'll see if nationals changes this but I don't think it should unless there's a surge of people who suddenly don't care about phantoms anymore. The people in my league who play the net lists have been playing these exact builds the past two weeks. Almost pulled out a win against Chewie + Zs but rolled very poorly with my B-Wings. It didn't feel like an unbeatable list but it certainly was low effort.
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adamantium|wang posted:Maybe we need to think outside the box: This is the greatest thing. Really tempted to buy & paint one of these myself.
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alg posted:The people in my league who play the net lists have been playing these exact builds the past two weeks. Almost pulled out a win against Chewie + Zs but rolled very poorly with my B-Wings. It didn't feel like an unbeatable list but it certainly was low effort. Well yes those builds tend to end up at the top tables at regionals. That is the state of the current meta game which Is what I was trying to say. They are not unbeatable but they actually take careful maneuvering to pull off which is why the falcon has an EU. Falcon builds now reward tighter maneuvering due to the phantom's potential 5 dice with gunner. There's also still the old bogeyman of a swarm list trapping Han long enough to kill it which the EU is meant to avoid. In my meta there are more lambda shuttle builds (especially 2+) due to their tank nature but I imagine those will slowly disappear when more people learn to fly the phantom better which, with a baron, should be able to remove a shuttle every 1.5 turns. Somehow I think firespray lists with rebel captives will be making the rounds again. I think the rebel aces pack should change the meta once again since falcons melt under b-wing fire but those are more susceptible to phantoms so hopefully we'll see a nice Rock Paper Scissors cycle with those instead of BBXZZ or 7TIE.
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Any meta is better than a rock paper scissors meta. I dont go to tournaments to win by getting the best match ups of the day. Unfortunately I think ships like the phantom are taking things in that direction.
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TouchToneDialing posted:Any meta is better than a rock paper scissors meta. I dont go to tournaments to win by getting the best match ups of the day. Yeah the Phantom is definitely doing that. It sucks, because they could have easily made it a 3 attack ship at a slightly lower cost and it would still be great and lists wouldn't have to revolve around defeating it.
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In my experience, it seems like most if not all games based on creating your own army becomes an RPS scenario anyway. It's the nature of tough > damage > swarm > tough. Control > combo > aggro in magic. I never played against falcons in the last meta but I recall XXBB > swarm > falcon. I can imagine falcon beat XXBB due to higher PS taking out Biggs, then Bs round 2-3, before they got a chance to shoot.
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Conveniently timed alongside my redipping into the game, one of my FLGSs is hosting an 8 week progression league for the game. Single faction for the full 8 weeks, Weeks 1 & 2 are at 50 points for easy access for newcomers, weeks 3-5 are standard 100 points, and 6-8 are up to 150 points. Prizes will include ships and 2014 OP kit stuff (alt. Biggs, alt. Academy Pilot, acrylic bombs, storage boxes). What should I start with?! I've always preferred Rebel stuff, and I understand the YT1300s have been soundly competitive in full lists, but not sure if I should start off the league with one. Would it be terrible against even just a 50 point list of a few TIEs? We can change stuff out each week however we want, so I can always try it once and see how it goes. At higher points I'm sure I can wing it well enough, just not sure about 50 points.
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Chewbacca/YT-1300 (42) C3-PO (3) R2-D2 (4) That would be super fun at 50 pts.
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alg posted:Chewbacca/YT-1300 (42) Does flipping a card with R2 count as being dealt one, so Chewbacca can flip it back down? That card makes me laugh. R2 fixes a shield and possibly fucks something else up. Also, what's the deal with C3-PO? His thing sounds like a chance to add an evade with the only downside being you might not get a freebie evade, right?
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nahanahs posted:Does flipping a card with R2 count as being dealt one, so Chewbacca can flip it back down? That card makes me laugh. R2 fixes a shield and possibly fucks something else up. Nope. quote:Also, what's the deal with C3-PO? His thing sounds like a chance to add an evade with the only downside being you might not get a freebie evade, right? Right. Just guess 0 at < range 3 and you will get 1 evade.
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Please rate my retarded idea: 3 x z95 Bandit Squadron w/Assault missiles + munitions failsafe 2 x z95 Tala Squadron w/Cluster missiles 1 x z95 Bandit Squadron Its basically 100 points of missiles
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Captain Gordon posted:Please rate my retarded idea: Swap a Tala w/ Clusters for Airen w/ Clusters by dropping the last bandit. Now as long as Airen has a shot, you can pass two TL actions in the combat phase, letting your Assault missiles TL+F, and letting you get TLs on ships that were out of range when you moved, which lets you stay at the range 2-3 you want without losing your TL ability. Airen at PS 8 will move after his opponent and has a better chance of TL on someone in range 1-2. Otherwise you may have trouble getting TLs on the ships you want to shoot.
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I'm looking to start back up. What's the standard Echo loadout, and standard Ebretch or whatever loadout?
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