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RagnarokAngel posted:It's really bizarre because the Dungeon and Dragons and Harry Potter hysteria comes off the presumption that magic is real and has very serious consequences. Also, lying. A lot of lying for Jesus. One of Jack Chick's friends claims to have been one of the more well-known sorcerers in his area at the time D&D was being written, and that TSR consulted with him to ensure that all the spells in the game were accurate. poo poo, there was a book going around in the 80's about how everything your child likes that isn't Jesus action figures is secretly satanic. Including claims that Star Wars was trying to teach children Buddhism because But yeah, seriously, most of the fervor about a lot of this stuff is based on someone lying about a thing, then telling other people that they're not smart enough / protected enough to double-check, so out of fear they uncritically parrot the noise and rationalize away any evidence to the contrary with "Satan has deluded this person into not seeing".
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Jul 14, 2014 19:50
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Lightning Jim posted:EDIT: Or it could be a troll, IDK.  Look at that smug motherfucker.
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Jul 14, 2014 20:01
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:Also, lying. A lot of lying for Jesus. One of Jack Chick's friends claims to have been one of the more well-known sorcerers in his area at the time D&D was being written, and that TSR consulted with him to ensure that all the spells in the game were accurate. poo poo, there was a book going around in the 80's about how everything your child likes that isn't Jesus action figures is secretly satanic. Including claims that Star Wars was trying to teach children Buddhism because My favorite GoodWill find back in my college days:  There's also this companion volume:  No, it's not the Phil Phillips you're thinking of.
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Jul 14, 2014 23:32
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The really disturbing thing about Ritual Satanic Abuse claims is that they had real world impact. In the 80s and early 90s there was a lot of cases were kids were coached by so called Satanic investigators brought in my fundie christian parents to claim their caregivers were sacrificing animals/kids to Satan during school and lots of other crazy poo poo. McMartin is probably best known, but there's other cases. Another thing is that if there was a murder, and a pentagram or other satanic symbols were found anywhere nearby (this included metal band logos/names) instantly causes these investigators to show up and "offer" help in tracking down the satanists who sacrificed the drifter or hooker out in the old cabin where someone spray painted "slayer rules!" on the wall. So police, rather than actually looking for the killer, end up being badgered by the local church and these experts to run around looking into cults and cult like activities. What can start out as a fairly easy to solver murder turns into a giant poo poo show where some innocent teenager who happens to like D&D and heavy metal gets thrown in jail because someone calls him a satanist. Isn't the West Memphis 3 partially based on this? Or am I getting it confused with another case.
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Jul 15, 2014 02:15
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The West Memphis Three were convicted entirely on satanic panic nonsense. The major evidence was that they got the retarded kid to confess by bullying him for hours and denying him food and sleep, and that one of the kids had some fake occult magic book under his bed (checked out from a library). Also, one of them went by the name "Damien," which was totally the name of the devil kid in the Omen. And also the name of the kid's favorite Catholic saint. How many crimes went unsolved because the police sank time and money into nonsense like this?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-yUM2vz4Tg
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Jul 15, 2014 02:52
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One of the best parts of True Detective was how the pastor at the beginning (set in 1992) was warning the detectives to pay attention to local satanist groups and reminded them that there was a "war being fought."
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Jul 15, 2014 03:41
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Lightning Jim posted:There's a new twitter out called CongressEdits - where it updates every time someone edits on Wikipedia anonymously (which the IP is logged instead). And I saw this edit of David Icke: I don't know I think it's a good bet that between 535 members of congress and all their staff members, there's at least one crazy person who believes in reptilians.
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Jul 15, 2014 03:50
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Ogmius815 posted:I don't know I think it's a good bet that between 535 members of congress and all their staff members, there's at least one crazy person who believes in reptilians. 
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Jul 15, 2014 04:11
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I'm afraid I can't identify this person by looking. Who is it?
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Jul 15, 2014 04:24
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Jul 15, 2014 04:30
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Louie Gohmert. He's well known as a guy who says stupid poo poo, just today he said the immigration refugee crisis that is going on right now could be solved if border state governors started their own army and navy and just killed the kids. He also picked his congressional office because it has a ledge wide enough that he can put a smoker on it and have freshly cooked brisket.
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Jul 15, 2014 04:32
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I don't like his "killing kids" stance, but I do like his "pro-brisket" stance. As a Libertarian, I'm going to have to vote "R" on this one.
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fermun posted:He also picked his congressional office because it has a ledge wide enough that he can put a smoker on it and have freshly cooked brisket. gently caress me sideways do you know how long it's been since I've had proper brisket?
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Jul 15, 2014 04:40
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I don't have Chrome or whatever extension that is, but thanks anyway rear end in a top hat!
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Jul 15, 2014 04:47
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fermun posted:Louie Gohmert. He's well known as a guy who says stupid poo poo, just today he said the immigration refugee crisis that is going on right now could be solved if border state governors started their own army and navy and just killed the kids. He also picked his congressional office because it has a ledge wide enough that he can put a smoker on it and have freshly cooked brisket. Wonderful. He's taking a page out of Tony Abbott's book. Just what the world needs.
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I fully support his brisket platform.
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What browser / addon is that? It looks really useful.
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It's Chrome.
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Okay, I laughed. Mr Terror Anchor Baby scareman. En topic with the Satanic Scare period: I guess I was overall lucky since I was pretty young when this happened and my parents weren't complete fundies (although time can change a person ).In relation to that: there is a "Satanic" cult meeting here in OKC soon, and therefore people are going to protest, proclaiming they have no legal right since they are an afront to God. (What was that about religious liberty being under attack?) EDIT: here's a recent article form Cracked, where they pretty much say conspiracy theories are making things worse for everyone http://www.cracked.com/article_21341_5-ways-every-conspiracy-theory-makes-world-worse.html EDIT 2: It's just hitting me, I think #1 is actually helping me realize why I jumped into the rabbit hole in the first place. Lightning Jim fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Jul 15, 2014 |
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Jul 15, 2014 14:41
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Lightning Jim posted:En topic with the Satanic Scare period: I guess I was overall lucky since I was pretty young when this happened and my parents weren't complete fundies (although time can change a person In other words my mom is awesome and you should be jealous
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Jack Gladney posted:My favorite GoodWill find back in my college days: That would be the exact book I was referring to, even. And holy poo poo I didn't know about the other one. Sadly, my parents read Turmoil when I was a kid, and believed it, so I got to "choose" whether or not to keep all my He-Man toys after my parents told me about all the secret evil occult stuff in it that I'd never seen despite watching every episode and owning most of the figures. loving Charismatic Catholic Renewal...
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platedlizard posted:I fully support his brisket platform. But what about his platform on briskets? I mean, I'm all for ledges too.
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Cracked posted this article and I decided to read the comment section and holy poo poo do a lot of conspiracy theorists read Cracked. I wasn't expecting this level of pushback from the article in question, but the majority of the comments (at least on the FB page) seem to be about people defending themselves not as conspiracy theorists (which a lot of them are claiming is a bullshit grouping tactic developed by The Man), but as "free thinkers" who like to think for themselves and come to their own logical conclusions. Nevermind that they may be verifiably wrong. A bunch of them also use things like the NSA spying on Americans thing as proof that...uhh...conspiracy theories are real? Just because one thing actually happened doesn't mean poo poo, but I don't have the willingness to actually respond to these creeps. (Space indicates separate posts. This guy really likes conspiracy theories) Stephen Rawley posted:It's funny how people just pick out the obviously crazy junk and lump everyone together into one group. If you disagree with any mainstream view you MUST believe in reptilians and that the moon landing was fake! You can't possibly have rational and provable points with anything else! Joe Bates doesn't seem to get the level of respect 20 years worth of data deserves. Joe Bates posted:Climate change is the term used by morons who think weather patterns are a new phenomenon. 20 years of data is apparently enough for them to think the world is going to end. Jason Spinks posted:Oh sure, don't want the sheeple thinking outside the box a little. That would make the world worse. Especially when you consider so many of these "wacko" theories have turned out to be true. Jarrad Pechie posted:I read this. It's basically a bunch of slamming on anyone who doesn't believe any ''official'' story about anything. I'm also a massive fan of how many of these conspiracy theorists are ready and willing to completely discredit other theories that they don't personally believe in, but my theory? Oh well that's obviously true, I mean you'd have to be a sheep to not believe in ~my conspiracy theory~ As an aside, I think it's great how people are calling Cracked "the next Upworthy or Buzzfeed" because they make lists when they've been making lists for years and years now. It's almost like...conspiracy theorists are idiots? Verisimilidude fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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Jul 16, 2014 14:33
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I didn't even bother looking at the comments because :eyeroll: On a tangental note: latest Weird Al video has lots of our favorite conspiracy theories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk
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Jack Gladney posted:My favorite GoodWill find back in my college days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrMoVWl5KA Here's a video of the insanity.
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With regards to the moral panic/turmoil in the toybox from the early 90's: Was this poo poo on mainstream TV or was it word of mouth in the local community? I was barely finished elementary school by 1995 and my parents were cool so I don't remember this but I have heard about the whole pushback against D&D. I just never realized it was part of something so much larger. Pook Good Mook fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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Pook Good Mook posted:With regards to the moral panic/turmoil in the toybox from the early 90's: I went to a christian school and this stuff was still being discussed in 2002/2003ish I want to say. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FnDBIWtA4U I do wonder if this had the opposite effect on most kids? "Hey what is this stuff?" "AC/DC. THEY STAND FOR ANTI-CHRIST/DEVILS CHILD! DON'T LISTEN TO THEM OR THEY WILL MELT YOUR BRAIN!" "...Okay, Okay, Okay I won't." /secretly does it anyways.
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Pook Good Mook posted:With regards to the moral panic/turmoil in the toybox from the early 90's: It was famous enough to create Tom Hanks' finest moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6AOd6r6Qi8
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No loving way did they actually make a music video about this. That's amazing. Butts McGee posted:What really makes the SOS video is that it's made by the Family International. These guys. Also prolific child abusers and abductors. Poke around the site, they're straight up crazy. • Home » Children of God Publications » Cool Tips for Hot Sex! sounds promising  wait, nevermind. Don't look at the "more erotic" section (it's at the bottom). That South Park episode about Christian Rock has nothing on this. 
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So awhile ago I posted about a guy I know on Facebook and in my local community who believes all sorts of crazy poo poo, like he's a 9/11 Truther, anti-vaxxer, global warming denialist, baking soda cures cancer but is kept down by big pharma, cannabis oil cures cancer, etc. His primary fallback for evidence is to just post a shitload of anecdotes and links to extremely shady websites. If you can find a few different people on Youtube talking about it, then he's into it. I want to convince him of something truly, utterly crazy. Like the US Navy keeping mermaids or whatever sounds pretty loving bizarre. What's the most insane conspiracy thing that you can think of that is also "plausibly" supported if you believe that anecdotal testimony is the highest form of proof? Just to give you a baseline of how crazy this guy is, he bought a magic wand on the Internet and claims that it cured his kid's cold
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QuarkJets posted:So awhile ago I posted about a guy I know on Facebook and in my local community who believes all sorts of crazy poo poo, like he's a 9/11 Truther, anti-vaxxer, global warming denialist, baking soda cures cancer but is kept down by big pharma, cannabis oil cures cancer, etc. His primary fallback for evidence is to just post a shitload of anecdotes and links to extremely shady websites. If you can find a few different people on Youtube talking about it, then he's into it. This is playing with fire, and it's never a good idea to turn people crazy (crazier?) for your own amusement. You could get him, or the people around him, hurt. 
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Hedera Helix posted:This is playing with fire, and it's never a good idea to turn people crazy (crazier?) for your own amusement. You could get him, or the people around him, hurt. I'm hoping that it will have the reverse effect. Find something absolutely ludicrous, show him the minimum burden of proof that he has required for things like magic internet wands, and then say "look at what a low burden of proof might lead someone to believe" Like if there are some people who believe that the world is actually controlled by vampiric furries who poo poo ice cream, and there are some videos of people who are all "I totally saw one, look at this photo of a raccoon, this is one of them he just shapeshifted right before I took the photo", or something?
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Lightning Jim posted:There's a new twitter out called CongressEdits - where it updates every time someone edits on Wikipedia anonymously (which the IP is logged instead). And I saw this edit of David Icke: I'm pretty sure someone is trolling. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=617082480&oldid=616031169 And that twitter keeps bringing up somebody editing pages claiming people are Kremlin disinformation agents, so again probably trolling and perhaps the same guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=616945699&oldid=616944246 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=616911804&oldid=615306532 e: I got all of those from that twitter feed.
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It's really hard to tell with all the macroblocking but it looks like it was filmed in Japan? WTF?
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QuarkJets posted:I'm hoping that it will have the reverse effect. Find something absolutely ludicrous, show him the minimum burden of proof that he has required for things like magic internet wands, and then say "look at what a low burden of proof might lead someone to believe" The guy probably isn't going to sullenly question the error of his ways, and then thank you for opening his eyes to the reality of the situation. He's probably just gonna think you're making fun of him and really you're the bad guy in that situation.
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Hedera Helix posted:This is playing with fire, and it's never a good idea to turn people crazy (crazier?) for your own amusement. You could get him, or the people around him, hurt. Do you know where you are right now? We ruin more lives before breakfast than most people do all day. I vote Morgellons.
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SedanChair posted:Do you know where you are right now? We ruin more lives before breakfast than most people do all day. Morgellons has long been one of the best troll-vectors for conspiracists, especially those with hypochondriac tendencies
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QuarkJets posted:I'm hoping that it will have the reverse effect. Find something absolutely ludicrous, show him the minimum burden of proof that he has required for things like magic internet wands, and then say "look at what a low burden of proof might lead someone to believe" You don't cure crazy by throwing an insane person in the shallow end and say LOOK SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO NOT GET WET?! Failing that, let him know that Alex Jones actually works with the Illuminati and his whole purpose is to distract from the Real Plan they have, while selling products that they've specially treated.
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