|
It's a conflict of ideal and real, you see.
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 16:41 |
|
|
Lemon Curdistan posted:He did not, in fact, describe anything even remotely like Paranoia. Have you read the rulebook for Paranoia? Hmm? Do you know what happens to players who read the Paranoia Rulebook? Hmm? I hope not or else you've been reading the Paranoia Rulebook, player.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:07
|
|
|
I'd probably use The Quiet Year, personally. http://buriedwithoutceremony.com/the-quiet-year/
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:08
|
|
|
Lemon Curdistan posted:He did not, in fact, describe anything even remotely like Paranoia. avatar/post combo explains it all
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:10
|
|
|
Lemon Curdistan posted:He did not, in fact, describe anything even remotely like Paranoia. Ok fine. "Replace a literal Stalinesque Communist Dictator with a computer and you have Paranoia" Are we happy now? We good?
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:12
|
|
|
True vanguard simulator is clearly Dogs in the Vineyard. Commissars in the Kolkhoz?
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:20
|
|
|
Swagger Dagger posted:Maybe on the most surface level you could run Paranoia as the presumably serious game where you balance a true communist society with the reality of the situation but it's really not the first thing that comes to mind. Sure it does - that's just Straight play.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:25
|
|
|
(edit)Looks like the thread's moved on.
A Catastrophe fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Jul 17, 2014 |
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:30
|
|
|
Arivia posted:Sure it does - that's just Straight play. Straight play is a cruel joke that gives you hope that someone, somewhere has actually played paranoia without it devolving immediately into a mess but we both know that's not true.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:40
|
|
|
Olde_fortran posted:Hi, I'm Sage. I'm here to talk about the discussion I've had with Gau Zak, and others. Hello Sage! As I've stated in thread you came into the discussion at something of a bad time. I can speak only for myself, but first off thank you for stopping by to chat and give the heads up. No, I don't think you're as bad as the rest of this godforsaken hobby. The fact that you inspected yourself and re-examined your own statements puts you quite a bit ahead of many others. Secondly, an apology. I got pretty salty myself and jumped to conclusions just the same, and I shouldn't have. Mea culpa. One of the problems with harassment is that it's so easily kept invisible. There is of course "innocent until proven guilty," and it's decidedly easy to cling to the "proven" part. The only real way to ever get proof is to go to each person making the claim and demand they share the emails or messages or whatever they've received, and even that doesn't work when the harassment is over the phone as some people have gotten. The (vaguely) good news is that the lovely elements are not, I think, actually growing in number, they're just growing louder. One of the reasons nerves are so frayed is because many of the more toxic elements feel they've been vindicated by 5e, and the general toxicity of ttg discussion has risen sharply as people exalt and begin doubling down on their aggression. There is a good and bad to this. The good is that most people who aren't already a part of this pack see this and never want to get involved. The bad news is that "never wants to get involved" covers the entire hobby. The ugly news is that this is somewhat as intended. Zak S and RPGPundit doesn't want people who agree with him. They just don't want people who disagree with them. Better to reign alone then serve alongside others. By the same light though every person who IS in the hobby, looks at this, and says "Nope not ok" is actively helping remove that toxicity. Everybody makes missteps (I mean seriously, I've done, said, and thought some terrible things in my own history), but actively trying to make the hobby better is...well, a good thing.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 01:45
|
|
|
Maybe it's all the stories about Paranoia being zany that poison people against playing it straight, because the only Paranoia thing I've actually read are the comics and it seems like it would be incredibly easy to run a serious game in the setting. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 02:13
|
|
|
Lemon Curdistan posted:He did not, in fact, describe anything even remotely like Paranoia.  This module came with cut-out commie beards for all the players, as well as one for Tovarish Computer. PublicOpinion posted:Maybe it's all the stories about Paranoia being zany that poison people against playing it straight, because the only Paranoia thing I've actually read are the comics and it seems like it would be incredibly easy to run a serious game in the setting.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 02:27
|
|
|
Is that Paranoia comic Bill Sienkiewicz?Olde_fortran posted:Hi, I'm Sage.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 02:29
|
|
|
Babylon Astronaut posted:Is that Paranoia comic Bill Sienkiewicz? Written by Paul O' Connor, first two issues say they're illustrated by Kipper, the last 4 say they're by Hector.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 02:34
|
|
|
Hey Sage! 
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 02:35
|
|
|
Sage, I hereby forgive you for any and all bad things you may or may not have done, even the thing with the turtle. Now go write a big fat hardcover version of Black Stars Rise.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 02:53
|
|
|
Lemon Curdistan posted:He did not, in fact, describe anything even remotely like Paranoia. It is treasonous to disagree with Friend Winson. Are you a traitor, Hygiene Officer LEM-0N-TR0L?
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 02:59
|
|
|
Gau posted:It is treasonous to disagree with Friend Winson. Are you a traitor, Hygiene Officer LEM-0N-TR0L? That's not a proper naming convention. Is that how they do things in GAU sector, comrade? Please stand on the bulls-eye and answer clearly into the microphone.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:01
|
|
|
Evil Mastermind posted:That's not a proper naming convention. Is that how they do things in GAU sector, comrade? GOTCHA
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:06
|
|
|
Evil Mastermind posted:That's not a proper naming convention. Is that how they do things in GAU sector, comrade? Naming conventions are above our clearance, citizen! Only a traitor would even know that they exist!
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:10
|
|
|
Gau posted:Naming conventions are above our clearance, citizen! Only a traitor would even know that they exist! Well, now I don't know who to trust anymore. If only there was a single word to describe that particular feeling...
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:14
|
|
|
Gau posted:Naming conventions are above our clearance, citizen! Only a traitor would even know that they exist! Names are Infrared clearance, otherwise how would loyal citizens address each other or accuse each other of treason? I think we may need to wipe your clone template.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:15
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYhZq1CaX8o
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:22
|
|
|
ProfessorCirno posted:Hello Sage! Also I wanted to emptyquote this before but I got distracted by Paranoia. I've said some very stupid and insensitive things myself in the past and more recently, but I try to learn from my mistakes and improve myself.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:28
|
|
|
Captain Foo posted:Literally Garbage Man, the nineties were weird in retrospect.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:29
|
|
|
Gau posted:Man, the nineties were weird in retrospect. You clearly didn't live through the 80's. It's amazing I have as good an attitude towards women and sex as I do given how many boob comedies I watched as a teenager.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:31
|
|
|
Evil Mastermind posted:You clearly didn't live through the 80's. I did, but I was stuck in small-town Montana and didn't have a television in my house until 1987 (I was five). There were two channels. Ask me why I'm basically a gaming luddite.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:32
|
|
|
Gau posted:I did, but I was stuck in small-town Montana and didn't have a television in my house until 1987 (I was five). There were two channels. Geez, talk about different strokes, I'm only 2 years younger than you, but I was probably one of the first of the 'kids who were basically raised online. Since my dad worked with computers, As far back as I remember we always had at least one in the house, we had internet pre-AOL, had a separate line for dial-up. (two lines at one point iirc), even living in small-town Idaho for awhile, we always had a connection. It's so weird hearing how different it was for people who are practically the same age as me. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:39
|
|
|
i was born in the 90s  and was homeschooled in relative isolation on a farm by parents who didn't own a tv until 9/11 
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:43
|
|
|
this explains a lot
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:49
|
|
|
Gau posted:Man, the nineties were weird in retrospect. Evil Mastermind posted:You clearly didn't live through the 80's. Born late 80's so I more or less grew up in the 90's. Interesting time. I feel the 90's were to some degree filled with "Ok, let's talk about it." I mostly remember there being a fair amount of poo poo being discussed regarding race and bigotry even with my pre-teen cartoons, and if you were bad like I was and watched MTV late at night then they weren't shying away from topics regarding homosexuality or bisexuality. Granted, ALL of it in the lens of "ISN'T THIS HOT???" but at least I recall there being just as many cute dudes kissing each other as there were girls.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:50
|
|
|
Error 404 posted:Geez, talk about different strokes, I'm only 2 years younger than you, but I was probably one of the first of the 'kids who were basically raised online. Since my dad worked with computers, As far back as I remember we always had at least one in the house, we had internet pre-AOL, had a separate line for dial-up. (two lines at one point iirc), even living in small-town Idaho for awhile, we always had a connection. Born in 1991, had access to a computer since 1996 and internet since 1998ish. We had ISDN even, back when that was impressive. 96kb/s of uninterrupted access to the Information Superhighway, paid for by the Irish Department of Education. 
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:51
|
|
|
Captain Foo posted:this explains a lot huh i thought you already knew that
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:51
|
|
|
ProfessorCirno posted:Born late 80's so I more or less grew up in the 90's. Interesting time. I feel the 90's were to some degree filled with "Ok, let's talk about it." I mostly remember there being a fair amount of poo poo being discussed regarding race and bigotry even with my pre-teen cartoons, and if you were bad like I was and watched MTV late at night then they weren't shying away from topics regarding homosexuality or bisexuality. Granted, ALL of it in the lens of "ISN'T THIS HOT???" but at least I recall there being just as many cute dudes kissing each other as there were girls. MTV's Undressed
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:52
|
|
|
Born 1991, have probably done more talking on the internet than I have face to face. On the other hand anytime someone can't figure out Microsoft Office and such in my group at work I can usually make it better, so I guess it's a wash.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:53
|
|
|
FYI I am recruiting for 4E X-Crawl
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:54
|
|
|
Captain Foo posted:MTV's Undressed THAT was the one. In retrospect it was pretty hilarious when people tried to talk about it while avoiding actually talking about it in church at the time.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 03:58
|
|
|
I was born in the early 70's. I'm old.  There's people in my 13th Age game that wasn't even alive when D&D came out.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 04:06
|
|
|
I was born in '89 but spent the majority of school years until I was 12 or so living in Mexico. The original Dragon Ball was a massive cultural touchstone among my friends. Most days were spent wandering around a beach and/or jungle. The village only ran the generator for power in the evenings. In the summer I lived thirty miles into a fuckoff massive forest and spent my days watching the Discovery Channel, wandering around the forest, or playing with my all of one friend who lived thirty miles further in. We spent most of our time hitting each other with sticks. So I guess what I'm saying is the 90's were pretty cool.
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 04:13
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 1, 2024 16:41 |
|
|
ProfessorCirno posted:THAT was the one. I sort of would like to see that again, just to see how it handles things (I mostly remember it was a sexytimes show with GIRLS KISSING SOMETIMES and I was 13 or so)
|
|
#
?
Jul 17, 2014 04:13
|
|