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Notorious b.s.d. posted:
yeah i haven't got that far, nothing there isn't running a linux yet
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i wonder what the bars around redmond are going to be like tomorrow night, this article says layoffs are tomorrow: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/microsoft-layoffs-expected-thursday/
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Jul 17, 2014 03:26
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quote:“We will increase the fluidity of information and ideas by taking actions to flatten the organization and develop leaner business processes,” and by flatten the org we mean no managers will be fired
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Jul 17, 2014 03:33
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mod sassinator posted:i wonder what the bars around redmond are going to be like tomorrow night, this article says layoffs are tomorrow: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/microsoft-layoffs-expected-thursday/ they're going to gut Nokia so the tears will be mostly in Finland. they will reorg the North America operations but I don't see a bloodbath except in some obscure divisions.
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Jul 17, 2014 04:49
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:netscape ldap, the original non-poo poo implementation, was open sourced a few years ago. as far as ldap goes it's significantly faster than ad and better under high loads. yeah, the problem with recommending a stack like that is even with proper documentation forget about ever being able to get someone else to admin your special snowflake implementation. it's a perfect model for a million cornercases based on what build of everything you managed to deploy initially. and who handles support? that's like four different "vendors" at least. i guess if it's your job to maintain it you're set for life, but it's not something you could really recommend to a client. the license savings would be offset by the amount you'd have to pay to get someone who could manage and maintain it seriously, those TCO studies MS does are bullshit, but this actually is a pretty big factor
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Jul 17, 2014 05:45
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will desktop machines even matter in 5 years? i would wager 90% of jobs that have a computer right now will be on an ipad or android tablet
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Jul 17, 2014 06:04
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mod sassinator posted:will desktop machines even matter in 5 years? i would wager 90% of jobs that have a computer right now will be on an ipad or android tablet they'll be replaced by thin clients if anything so good/okay for microsoft, bad for pc manufacturers
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Jul 17, 2014 06:06
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mod sassinator posted:will desktop machines even matter in 5 years? i would wager 90% of jobs that have a computer right now will be on an ipad or android tablet true story im on vacay this week but i got an email that my work is forcing me now to have a laptop since i work from home, whole team im in (like 4 people) are getting this treatment blahhh i dont want to carry another labtop
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Jul 17, 2014 06:06
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havent we heard thin clients will replace everything for the last 20 years? an ipad is a thin client you can take home
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Jul 17, 2014 06:07
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computer parts posted:they'll be replaced by thin clients if anything how long are they going to try and beat that horse thin clients are already in widespread use for where they work i.e. bank teller terminals, call center workers, data entry farms, library computers, etc
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Jul 17, 2014 06:08
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no this time it's different because  the dream of the NC will never die
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Jul 17, 2014 06:08
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Sniep posted:how long are they going to try and beat that horse there's still a fair ways they can go my university mostly has desktops for their open access labs but they've been slowly migrating to thin clients, and plus they have an online component so you can stream a windows desktop to finish up a visio diagram or a spreadsheet
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Jul 17, 2014 06:33
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computer parts posted:there's still a fair ways they can go guess who in university also had a thin client as a lab workstation me it was a full on unix workstation that was simply a 'thin' client despite its for the time massive graphics and memory inside i was at an automotive engineering school, a fairly respected one at the time the seat licenses for the apps i did CAD in on a unix workstation acting purely as a thin client were absurd amounts of money for me to sit and use those 'thin clients' which by all desciptions they were
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Jul 17, 2014 06:41
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we did some numbers and thin clients only start making sense if you have no regular hardware budget lol if you're in that situation tho
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Jul 17, 2014 06:45
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im just saying, evaluate what you think is a 'thin client' i know HP and all are totally sold on this one take on it but sometimes thin clients require a lot of horsepower too, and they are still 100% 'cloud' driven with no function beside as a client the thinner they get, the less intensive the tasks involved it's a delineation between 'client machines' in purpose, and user desktops. if the users actually have real need for an actual desktop, then they should get one, and forcing a client machine on them doesnt make sense. if it's a rote job that is simply to interact with x, be it internet access or just getting to an old AS/400, , 'thin clients' or full client machines are desirable. to tldr the poo poo, if the users get insulted by using a client machine then its probably the wrong choice
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Jul 17, 2014 06:54
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Sniep posted:guess who in university also had a thin client as a lab workstation same, we had thin clients at a big state university 15 years ago. it was great for us in CS because we just ssh'ed into a shell account (run on big Sun servers, lol) and hacked around anyway. for everyone else it sucked pretty hard
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Jul 17, 2014 07:03
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mod sassinator posted:same, we had thin clients at a big state university 15 years ago. it was great for us in CS because we just ssh'ed into a shell account (run on big Sun servers, lol) and hacked around anyway. for everyone else it sucked pretty hard exactly. if you were in it with the right reasons you knew what was up on the other hand, if you mandate that thin clients are going to replace PCs in an environment that's not purely entry level type poo poo, you're probably an rear end in a top hat and likely not going to see the returns you seek
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Jul 17, 2014 07:30
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lol Microsoft cutting 18k jobs and taking a 1.6 bil hit
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Jul 17, 2014 13:14
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Laying off 14% of their employees I guess 14% really does require a challenger mindset
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Jul 17, 2014 13:53
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cremnob posted:lol Microsoft cutting 18k jobs and taking a 1.6 bil hit mostly nokia severance adds up
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Jul 17, 2014 13:56
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Malcolm XML posted:mostly nokia nokia was such a stupid acquisition only the tax advantages of it make sense
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Jul 17, 2014 13:56
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Malcolm XML posted:nokia was such a stupid acquisition lets buy the worst parts of the company to shore up our poo poo phone platform
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Jul 17, 2014 13:57
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Malcolm XML posted:lets buy the worst parts of the company to shore up our poo poo phone platform what a goddamn waste shouldve gotten HERE maps, the patents, the hardware designers and dumped the rest
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Jul 17, 2014 13:57
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Malcolm XML posted:what a goddamn waste then take them + the xbox guys + the surface people sat them in a room and told them you make a good fuckign product or youre all fired
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Jul 17, 2014 13:58
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remember that time microsoft's board let a lame-duck ceo make a multi billion dollar acquisition before having chosen the new ceo + new company strategy?
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Jul 17, 2014 13:59
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Pinterest Mom posted:remember that time microsoft's board let a lame-duck ceo make a multi billion dollar acquisition before having chosen the new ceo + new company strategy? im 100% sure they only bothered because of foreign cash reserves thanks obama
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Jul 17, 2014 14:02
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Malcolm XML posted:what a goddamn waste heh at old job we were a reseller for HERE maps, they used to be navteq. the change to HERE made our documentation really super confusing. it's a dumb name IMO.
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Jul 17, 2014 14:11
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in an alternate universe, Nokia said "gently caress it, we're going Android" with the Lumia as the hardware and are currently one of the top Android OEMs. and all those people still have their jobs. but lol nope, microsoft
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Jul 17, 2014 14:21
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Sad to see layoffs, those are never fun.
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Jul 17, 2014 14:42
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infernal machines posted:yeah, the problem with recommending a stack like that is even with proper documentation forget about ever being able to get someone else to admin your special snowflake implementation. it's a perfect model for a million cornercases based on what build of everything you managed to deploy initially. and who handles support? that's like four different "vendors" at least. the tco studies aren't even approaching bullshit. they're probably understated. you can hire a monkey of the street to administer windows. you need someone who understands how hosed up everything is in Linux and has the desire to deal with that poo poo if you want to use Linux. its just not worth it
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Jul 17, 2014 14:49
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Dirk Pitt posted:Sad to see layoffs, those are never fun.
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Jul 17, 2014 14:51
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Sniep posted:im just saying, evaluate what you think is a 'thin client' thin clients were always junk for everything but the most specific use cases. now that desktops are so insanely cheap theres no reason to ever get a thin client over a desktop even if you use that desktop like a thin client for some users.
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Jul 17, 2014 14:51
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LastInLine posted:they arent but given microsofts stack ranking and the fact that those who are there are either those people lovely enough to game the system and thrive in it and thus deserve whatever comes to them or they are people new to it and undeserving of such treatment and are better off anywhere else i cant help but think its for the best it can be better for a person in the long run, but in the immediate, it's pretty awful it's never the right people who get punished
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Jul 17, 2014 14:52
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Shaggar posted:thin clients were always junk for everything but the most specific use cases. now that desktops are so insanely cheap theres no reason to ever get a thin client over a desktop even if you use that desktop like a thin client for some users. this is true, but i'm not sure you're the best person to be saying this. your company deployed iMacs so that people could use them as Windows terminals through RDP when OSX still had the worlds worst RDP client
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Jul 17, 2014 14:54
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infernal machines posted:your company deployed iMacs so that people could use them as Windows terminals through RDP when OSX still had the worlds worst RDP client lmao
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Jul 17, 2014 14:58
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that choice was made when imacs were the only all in one unit. our remote users are nurses and they are the least technically savvy people on the planet. even when they go to login theres just a big green button that launches a script that launches all the applications they need because they don't understand what a vpn or a remote desktop or a softphone are. but now that windows all in ones are a thing we're probably gonna be moving back to windows which is gonna fix so many problems caused by osx.
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Jul 17, 2014 14:58
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also the rdp client works fine? idk what problems u have w/ it but we have people using it for 8-10 hours at a time w/out issues.
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Jul 17, 2014 14:59
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it lacked RDP gateway support until this year and would freak out over certain system certificates when SSL auth was forced. also shared resources seemed to have a 50% chance of doing absolutely nothing across platforms. i didn't notice any stability issues either though
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Jul 17, 2014 15:01
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we don't use a gateway and ssl auth works identically to the way it does on windows. shared resources are a hipaa violation.
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i'm pretty sure there are companies that have been selling AIO RDP terminals running windows embedded for something like a decade now too. they used to use them at chapters bookstores here in canada
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