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Increasing labour efficiency and automation is one of the top priorities of marxists, just the idea is to pass the savings onto society rather than allowing a few capitalists to squander it.
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Cultural Imperial posted:I'm surprised none of you marxist sjws have said anything about the erosion of labour rights as supply chains move away from trucking to rail. Making it so improvements in technology and efficiency aren't at odds with employment and the well-being of the working class is an excellent reason to convert to Marxism-Sjwsism.
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So out of curiosity, is that freight transport-mix really that much less rail-heavy for Europe? Euro Truck + Train Simulator would lead me to believe that yes, quite possibly so!
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Baronjutter posted:Increasing labour efficiency and automation is one of the top priorities of marxists, just the idea is to pass the savings onto society rather than allowing a few capitalists to squander it. There's a bunch of great articles on ftalphaville about how your assertion is something of a paradox. Check out their series on the rise of the robots. http://ftalphaville.ft.com/tag/robots/ The above link is a huge scattergun of stuff but the overall theme is, 'robots' and thus labour efficiency is bad for people.
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Cultural Imperial posted:The above link is a huge scattergun of stuff but the overall theme is, 'robots' and thus labour efficiency is bad for people. It probably will be, but it needn't be.
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Cultural Imperial posted:There's a bunch of great articles on ftalphaville about how your assertion is something of a paradox. Check out their series on the rise of the robots. That looks like it's talking about how things would play out within the status-quo of a capitalist economy (and is therefore very much old hat in Marxist terms - though the Beyond Scarcity series looks interesting enough to read regardless)
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Lexicon posted:It probably will be, but it needn't be. I'm all in favour of a Piketty tax but hey, I also want a pony and that's not going to happen any time soon.
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Cultural Imperial posted:I'm all in favour of a Piketty tax but hey, I also want a pony and that's not going to happen any time soon. Well it's not like we have choice between that and a moratorium on productivity enhancing improvements either. So either you take what will happen as a given and start drinking or you start wishing for stuff and asking for it in some productive coordinated way, in which case, it's very stupid to ask for the latter.
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Mr. Wynand posted:That looks like it's talking about how things would play out within the status-quo of a capitalist economy (and is therefore very much old hat in Marxist terms - though the Beyond Scarcity series looks interesting enough to read regardless) This article blew my mind when I first read it: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2012/12/10/1303512/the-robot-economy-and-the-new-rentier-class/
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Mr. Wynand posted:Well it's not like we have choice between that and a moratorium on productivity enhancing improvements either. So either you take what will happen as a given and start drinking or you start wishing for stuff and asking for it in some productive coordinated way, in which case, it's very stupid to ask for the latter. Which is why I'm tailoring my life for myself and my family to be as mobile and marketable as possible. Which is why it's so infuriating to discuss community when it comes to economic necessity.
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Mr. Wynand posted:So out of curiosity, is that freight transport-mix really that much less rail-heavy for Europe? Euro Truck + Train Simulator would lead me to believe that yes, quite possibly so! Yeah basically Europe and the US have about equally developed rail networks for their population, europe uses the network to move people, the US to move freight. Europe has a much older network and smaller loading gauge (how big/tall trains can be) which is fine for passenger trains, which are not long or too tall, but can't exactly run 2km long double-stack container trains. Europe is though frantically investing in freight rail, and upgrading to hopefully one day be able to run double-stacks which are incredibly efficient at moving containers. That huge tunnel they built under the alps was basically to get trucks going from germany to italy to not have to drive through Switzerland and instead go on a train under it. Europe already pays way more for gas so the push to get more cargo on trains is big, plus those trucks pollute and clog roads.
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Cultural Imperial posted:This article blew my mind when I first read it: That's still pretty old-hat unless I'm missing something. Also Pickety basically made the same point but in a much more elegant and universally applicable manner. And so did another hirsute German fellow whose name escapes me just now.
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This just popped up on my tweety http://www.bnn.ca/Video/player.aspx?vid=399582
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Cultural Imperial posted:Which is why I'm tailoring my life for myself and my family to be as mobile and marketable as possible. Which is why it's so infuriating to discuss community when it comes to economic necessity. As the thread's most enigmatic poster - can I ask what you do work wise? I'm guessing something in tech, but I'm curious what in particular (i.e. stack/expertise, not company).
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Lexicon posted:As the thread's most enigmatic poster - can I ask what you do work wise? I'm guessing something in tech, but I'm curious what in particular (i.e. stack/expertise, not company). Orchestration - pretending to be a python coder most days.
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How the housing market has cooled in most of Canada quote:"It’s not a disaster by any means, but we’re very much back to a normal or a soft market in a lot of parts of Canada," said housing analyst Ben Rabidoux, president of North Cove Advisors,
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Oh, thank goodness. We can finally get back to buying houses again, now that the market has cooled and had a soft landing.
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But... he just means number of sales, right? It's not like price:rent or price:income has normalized in most of Canada?
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Lexicon posted:But... he just means number of sales, right? It's not like price:rent or price:income has normalized in most of Canada? I think it's just that the rest of the country is at the top of the rollercoaster waiting for gravity to take over. One of the more obnoxious parts of real estate coverage in the media, is that Vancouver and Toronto stats are published like the apply to Canada as a whole, while the significantly less rosy Canadian numbers are not mentioned.
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Asians and Atlantic Canadians are causing our bubble. Jerks! I suspect that what they track, and what they say they track varies quite a bit and the difference follows quite closely to what narrative they are trying to support.
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Are you suggesting MLS® and its REALTORS® ever cherry pick data to support their agenda?? REALTOR® wouldn't be a respected and protected brand name if these weren't informed people you can TRUST®.
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Baronjutter posted:Are you suggesting MLS® and its REALTORS® ever cherry pick data to support their agenda?? REALTOR® wouldn't be a respected and protected brand name if these weren't informed people you can TRUST®. Why, it's almost as if it's a bad idea to let a parasitic, rent-seeking monopoly be the sole steward of data governing many billions worth of citizens' wealth and debts. 
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This is awesome. Where'd you get this from?
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vibrantvictoria.ca has recently courted some REALTORS who do Q&A's and use the forum to market projects and them selves under the guise of volunteering their time to share their information and expertise with the community. Someone who knew what they were talking about could troll the gently caress out of that site and many of the REALTORS there. It's mostly a bunch of housing bears, skyscraper boosters, libertarians, and bitter failed small business owners. "If only Victoria had more skyscrapers and less nanny state regulations everything would be perfect!" The few left of centre people and housing bears got driven away long ago. The plus is that if you ask nicely, a lot of the REALTORS and development PR people will give out a lot of good and interesting information, if you can of course pick through the marketing.
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I can't loving wait for someone to spill the beans with the same chart for Vancouver.
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I'm pretty curious where they sourced the data from. Voluntary disclosures or data mining people's service addresses as provided for documentation.
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Rob Carrick has put together an amusingly named Flipboard list called Housing Heretic: https://flipboard.com/section/housing-heretic-bAh7Lg
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-18/canada-may-wholesale-sales-beat-all-forecasts-led-by-automobiles.htmlquote:Canada May Wholesale Sales Beat All Forecasts Led by Automobiles This is loving awesome. I gurantee you loving shithead canadian prideful owners of houses are thinking, hey my house just went up 8% in value - time to realize some of those gains and buy a bmw!
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Cultural Imperial posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-18/canada-may-wholesale-sales-beat-all-forecasts-led-by-automobiles.html What?
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Cultural Imperial posted:lol Thirty years ago a lot of these mansions were being rented as rooming houses to university students, my old landladies told me stories of their friends holding parties in the one you linked. They were renting it for $1000/month in 1983. Only in the mid 1990's did the nouveaux-riche come along and start tearing down the old Point Grey mansions to build the tasteless mega-palaces that now permeate the area. Sadly, as a result of this gentrification, the few older mansions left are now boarded up and being sold as land value only (this isn't the only one by far, I've been to at least six). After all, you couldn't possibly dream of renting it out for less than $6000/month, look at the neighbourhood! Point Grey commands a premium, and to hell if you're losing money hand over fist on the annual property taxes, renting the property is simply unacceptable.
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Rime posted:Thirty years ago a lot of these mansions were being rented as rooming houses to university students, my old landladies told me stories of their friends holding parties in the one you linked. They were renting it for $1000/month in 1983. Only in the mid 1990's did the nouveaux-riche come along and start tearing down the old Point Grey mansions to build the tasteless mega-palaces that now permeate the area. I know there's a whole bunch of these rooming house mansions in shaughnessy as well.
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FrozenVent posted:What? I think he means that a lot of people will spend (more money they don't have) on toys when their house values go up. I've seen it happen, our family rich friends bought a mansion a long while ago, it went up about 10% between assessments because bubble and they went out and bought a boat that coast about the same as their gains. No it's not like you actually get the money when your house value goes up, but you obviously will because equity is money in the bank. This was rich people though not in massive debt. Some people will see their house go up then on top of all their debt, take our more debt against their house because clearly they can afford more debt. For a scary number of people their livestyle is entirely based on how much debt they can afford, not how much spending they can afford. House went up? Awesome we can afford more debt now! Got a raise at work? Awesome I'll quality for more debt! They are constantly at as much debt as the system will possibly allow, this is the norm for them. And a lot of these people are struggling working families but full on "middle class" people who absolutely never needed to dig them selves into debt like that, but they just HAD to have that 800k house not the 600k house. They both needed the higher end model cars, it's part of their careers, others would judge them! They have no savings, only debt, but they feel everything is fine because their incomes keep going up, their house value keeps going up, and when they sell their house it will clear all their debt plus a healthy profit so why not live high on the hog now? The slighest dip in home value or the economy can absolutely screw this sort of person over, and we've structured our entire financial system to encourage poeple like this to exist. I don't know if it's just short term stupidity or an actual "people up to their eyeballs in debt to sustain a very comfortable life don't rock the political boat" way of controlling society and ensuring the status quo is maintained.
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Baronjutter posted:The slighest dip in home value or the economy can absolutely screw this sort of person over, and we've structured our entire financial system to encourage poeple like this to exist. I don't know if it's just short term stupidity or an actual "people up to their eyeballs in debt to sustain a very comfortable life don't rock the political boat" way of controlling society and ensuring the status quo is maintained. It's the structure of capitalism. When you pay people less than the value that they produce debt levels need to continue to increase or no one would be able to afford anything. Think about it. The economy produces X amount of products. The producers of said products are paid X-profit. People will never have enough money to buy everything they produce unless they go into debt. Rutibex fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Jul 18, 2014 |
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The kind of debt you're seeing in Vancouver is definitely not a result of people not being able to subsist. It's straight up materialism.
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Baronjutter posted:The slighest dip in home value or the economy can absolutely screw this sort of person over, and we've structured our entire financial system to encourage poeple like this to exist. I don't know if it's just short term stupidity or an actual "people up to their eyeballs in debt to sustain a very comfortable life don't rock the political boat" way of controlling society and ensuring the status quo is maintained. I doubt that HELOC purchased BMWs are the new opiate of the masses, though they do make economic numbers look better than they would otherwise.
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