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PleasureKevin: Jan 2, 2011

so when "satya's emails" said "nothing is off the table" they really meant everything is off the table except firing people. windows phone, xbox, surface, that all stays, in fact we are bringing back the zune.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 09:12

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# ? May 8, 2024 12:08

raruler: Oct 5, 2003; “Here lies a toppled god —
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.”

gregday posted:

"right-size"

gently caress off

sorry if you don't call hiring people "wrong sizing"

# ? Jul 18, 2014 09:32

Pinterest Mom: Jun 9, 2009

"plus sizing"

# ? Jul 18, 2014 09:37

lazydog: Apr 15, 2003

Cardboard Box A posted:

Welp

http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/17/5911909/microsoft-kills-off-its-nokia-android-phones

Microsoft is planning to scrap its Nokia X Android efforts and replace them with Windows Phone in the future. The news comes as part of today's announcement that Microsoft is cutting 18,000 jobs in the next year. In an email to former Nokia staff, Microsoft devices chief Stephen Elop details the company's renewed focus on Windows Phone. "In addition to the portfolio already planned, we plan to deliver additional lower-cost Lumia devices by shifting select future Nokia X designs and products to Windows Phone devices," says Elop. "We expect to make this shift immediately while continuing to sell and support existing Nokia X products."

microsoft kills jobs

# ? Jul 18, 2014 10:36

Happy_Misanthrope: Aug 3, 2007; "I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

the Nokia X project was idiotic and killing it is actually one of the more reasonable things MS has done lately, how in the gently caress was an Android phone with MS services (lol) that couldn't access the store worth anything

# ? Jul 18, 2014 10:46

Assepoester: Jul 18, 2004; Can't post for 10 years!; Melman v2

Americans don't want small Windows tablets, says largest PC maker

Lenovo stops selling its two small Windows tablets due to weak demand

http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/18/5914867/lenovo-ends-small-windows-tablets-us-due-to-weak-demand

Happy_Misanthrope posted:

the Nokia X project was idiotic and killing it is actually one of the more reasonable things MS has done lately, how in the gently caress was an Android phone with MS services (lol) that couldn't access the store worth anything

Maybe it should have had the store????

# ? Jul 18, 2014 11:40

Chumbawumba4ever97: Dec 31, 2000; by Fluffdaddy

i bet with the Nokia brand they could have made OK phones but were diesel as hell. I hear a lot of people say they wish cell phones were still Nokias when you could drop them down a flight of stairs . probably not a huge market especially since glass is breakable but would not have been the worst idea

eschaton posted:

only at companies that believe in "up or out"

a few great companies believe that if you're really good at what you do, and they need what you do, and you're happy doing it, why not just keep paying you to do it?

True but it works both ways though, i have friends tell me they don't know how i am not miserable doing the same job my entire life and will continue to do for 20+ more years . But i am of the mindset that knowing exactly what i will earn per hour in August of 2028 owns . but some friends think i am nuts. to each their own and i am hopeful everyone will find jobs soon

# ? Jul 18, 2014 11:44

Fabricated: Apr 9, 2007; Living the Dream

All my friends on the east coast live in/around the DC area and are ridiculous job hoppers

having a new job every 8 months to a year or two would drive me insane; nevermind you'll either end up unemployed and unable to get a job when the next downturn comes or you'll end up stuck somewhere you despise for X amount of years unless you want to pack up and move long distance

# ? Jul 18, 2014 11:51

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

PleasureKevin posted:

i wonder how many aspies who can't adjust to microsofts new structure and lack of pepperoni-only pizza nights will quit as well.

pepperoni-only? :confused:

# ? Jul 18, 2014 11:57

Chumbawumba4ever97: Dec 31, 2000; by Fluffdaddy

http://www.theonion.com/articles/potential-employee-uprising-quelled-with-free-pizz,2441/

# ? Jul 18, 2014 14:23

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

Uncle at Nintendo posted:

True but it works both ways though, i have friends tell me they don't know how i am not miserable doing the same job my entire life and will continue to do for 20+ more years . But i am of the mindset that knowing exactly what i will earn per hour in August of 2028 owns . but some friends think i am nuts. to each their own and i am hopeful everyone will find jobs soon

yeah i'm perfectly fine with working the same job because my field is very flexible just inherently and if i get an mba i can pretty easily make six figures

gonna have to as well because the future waifu just wants to be a housewife (though she is interested in teaching too)

# ? Jul 18, 2014 16:30

Happy_Misanthrope: Aug 3, 2007; "I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Cardboard Box A posted:

Americans don't want Windows tablets, says largest PC maker

fixed

# ? Jul 18, 2014 16:32

Happy_Misanthrope: Aug 3, 2007; "I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Cardboard Box A posted:

http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/18/5914867/lenovo-ends-small-windows-tablets-us-due-to-weak-demand

Maybe it should have had the store????

can't, because then it would have to have Google services installed - meaning the main reason (other than price) why people buy an Android phone in the first place

# ? Jul 18, 2014 16:33

Chumbawumba4ever97: Dec 31, 2000; by Fluffdaddy

computer parts posted:

yeah i'm perfectly fine with working the same job because my field is very flexible just inherently and if i get an mba i can pretty easily make six figures

gonna have to as well because the future waifu just wants to be a housewife (though she is interested in teaching too)

nice; see if your job does tuition reimbursement; MBAs are one of the few degrees companies will pay 100% for

# ? Jul 18, 2014 16:56

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

there is a non-management career path for engineers, and while it's "doing the same job" you become an expert and spend time making smart, precise improvements and leading the direction of software evolution as your understanding of the problem space evolves. meanwhile the grunt work gets handed to junior developers.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 17:02

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

The Management posted:

there is a non-management career path for engineers, and while it's "doing the same job" you become an expert and spend time making smart, precise improvements and leading the direction of software evolution as your understanding of the problem space evolves. meanwhile the grunt work gets handed to junior developers.

the trick is being able to identify grunt work that should be handed off

# ? Jul 18, 2014 17:05

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Cardboard Box A posted:

Americans don't want small Windows tablets, says largest PC maker

homer tell the nice man which country you come from

# ? Jul 18, 2014 17:23

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

Cardboard Box A posted:

Americans don't want ... Windows

# ? Jul 18, 2014 17:28

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

computer parts posted:

future waifu just wants to be a housewife

lol

# ? Jul 18, 2014 18:58

EIDE Van Hagar: Dec 8, 2000; Beep Boop

graph posted:

lol

# ? Jul 18, 2014 19:08

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

prefect posted:

the trick is being able to identify grunt work that should be handed off

and then you become... management

# ? Jul 18, 2014 19:09

The Management: Jan 2, 2010; sup, bitch?

hobbesmaster posted:

and then you become... management

way ahead of you

# ? Jul 18, 2014 20:02

Squinty Applebottom: Jan 1, 2013

im what you call a serial entrepreneur.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 20:08

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

wow, mini microsoft comment thread getting way turbo racist

e: check this:

quote:

Also, I want to second the person who mentioned earlier that we were fed a bunch of bullshit about "flattening the hierarchy" and then watched as they laid off nothing but SDET ICs and build engineers. I literally have not heard of a single lead losing their job without all their ICs also being let go. Read that again: We somehow managed to create fewer layers of management without laying off a single manager. Satya is a magician.

qirex fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jul 18, 2014

# ? Jul 18, 2014 20:23

EMILY BLUNTS: Jan 1, 2005

huh someone here was SDET wonder what she's up to now

# ? Jul 18, 2014 20:35

PokeJoe: Aug 24, 2004; hail cgatan

kwinkles posted:

# ? Jul 18, 2014 21:45

Squinty Applebottom: Jan 1, 2013

qirex posted:

wow, mini microsoft comment thread getting way turbo racist

e: check this:

Lol

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:09

Phobeste: Apr 9, 2006; never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

qirex posted:

wow, mini microsoft comment thread getting way turbo racist

e: check this:

actually i'm pretty glad that the one racist commenter is just getting shouted down by everybody else. warms me heart

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:14

Happy_Misanthrope: Aug 3, 2007; "I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

yeah seems the racism is largely restricted to a few pricks

lol at this

quote:

>Basically a lifeboat exercise with compensation included as a factor.

Bear in mind that he refers to a Microsoft lifeboat, where you worry less about rowing and more about running around currying favor with each of the other people in the boat so they don't toss you overboard.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:19

Phobeste: Apr 9, 2006; never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

also holy poo poo why would you fire a shitton of testers. people who actually are good at and enjoy testing are pretty hard to come by.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:21

raruler: Oct 5, 2003; “Here lies a toppled god —
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.”

Phobeste posted:

also holy poo poo why would you fire a shitton of testers. people who actually are good at and enjoy testing are pretty hard to come by.

startup culture

ship fast, test never

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:27

born on a buy you: Aug 14, 2005; Odd Fullback
Bird Gang
Sack Them All

Phobeste posted:

also holy poo poo why would you fire a shitton of testers. people who actually are good at and enjoy testing are pretty hard to come by.

this is true and why i'll continue to get jobs for years to come.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:32

Phoenixan: Jan 16, 2010; Just Keep Cool-idge

raruler posted:

startup culture

ship fast, test never

just let the customers test a continuous open beta

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:41

Squinty Applebottom: Jan 1, 2013

Phoenixan posted:

just let the customers test a continuous open beta

a valid dev plan if the goal is to make money

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:49

bring back old gbs: Feb 28, 2007; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Phoenixan posted:

just let the customers test a continuous open beta

plz do not post confidential windows 9 roadmaps

# ? Jul 18, 2014 22:50

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

qirex posted:

wow, mini microsoft comment thread getting way turbo racist

e: check this:

good thing i didn't move to seattle

# ? Jul 18, 2014 23:15

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

Phobeste posted:

also holy poo poo why would you fire a shitton of testers. people who actually are good at and enjoy testing are pretty hard to come by.

testing and qa is a cost center, like it or payroll or hr. does it directly make money for the company? no? then cut it 30%

# ? Jul 18, 2014 23:22

Dixie Cretin Seaman: Jan 22, 2008; all hat and one catte; Hot Rope Guy

Phobeste posted:

also holy poo poo why would you fire a shitton of testers. people who actually are good at and enjoy testing are pretty hard to come by.

dunno, seems like any old sperg can do it

# ? Jul 18, 2014 23:47

Phobeste: Apr 9, 2006; never, like, count out Touchdown Tom, man

i mean i'm a tiny baby shithead who's only been working for a year, but what i've observed is:

- good testers aren't made, they seem to be born
- their skill at testing is 0% correlated with testing experience: our most detailed and skilled tester has an art degree and works part time so she can make sculptures
- since people who are good at testing often get underlying mechanics, they tend to get poached by dev

so it all adds up to if you have good testers that stay as testers and do a good job, probably give them raises instead of laying them off! because devs are not testers. they're too emotionally entangled.

# ? Jul 18, 2014 23:50

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# ? May 8, 2024 12:08

qirex: Feb 15, 2001

the official MS plan seems to be that the dev leads and PMs will write test scripts/requirements and do the testing themselves

what could possibly go wrong?

# ? Jul 18, 2014 23:57

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