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StandardVC10 posted:SHUT UP! SHUT UP! Well, there are certainly plenty of examples of feigned liberal outrage over obvious -and not actually offensive- jokes that they can all hide behind the "outraged liberal media types" excuse. During the last election, there was that 80-something year old man who made a comment about "Back in my day, birth control was keeping an aspirin between your knees" that the reporter got all indignant about. Raskolnikov38 posted:My go to example of Penn being a moron is when he declared recycling to be bullshit because it wasn't profitable as if that was the point of doing it. It wasn't "Not profitable" it was "has no financial advantage" i.e. has the same cost to recycle paper as to make new, and his example was paper, and he's exactly right in that point. Trees are the ultimate renewable resource (as other other fast-growing plants we can use to make paper). My go-to example was his "stop being so uptight about sanitation, It's perfectly fine to sit down in puddles of urine." My Q-Face fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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Intel&Sebastian posted:This is pretty clearly demonstrated when they say "Gays already have the freedom to marry, they just have to marry a member of the opposite sex" without a hint of irony. In their America you are free to do anything as long as they approve. You also have the freedom to stop other people from doing anything they don't approve of. It's freedom all the way down! Also the whole "Freedom of religion, not freedom from religion", when they want to use the legal system to force Christian rules on people.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:My go to example of Penn being a moron is when he declared recycling to be bullshit because it wasn't profitable as if that was the point of doing it. Penn Jillette is one of the few libertarian people I don't actively dislike because, unlike a lot of people, he really genuinely believes that libertarian nonsense will help people. He's also really hard line on some stuff that other libertarians ignore or let their own personal feelings get the better of them over. Immigration, diversity, marriage, separation of church and state, and equality of gender are some of the things that he defends really hard. I just wish he could make the leap that government enforcement is required in order to improve the state of those things. By all accounts he's also just one of the sweetest, nicest, and most easygoing guys. He's also not really dumb in the ways that a lot of libertarians tend to be dumb. He just has this blind faith in humanity, human ingenuity, science, and the ability for markets to sort things out. He's extremely naive for sure, but he is quite knowledgable and most of the time he uses that knowledge as an escape hatch to rationalize away a lot of the negative effects of the lack of government intervention.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:My go to example of Penn being a moron is when he declared recycling to be bullshit because it wasn't profitable as if that was the point of doing it. That whole show really. I had fond memories of it until it was on Netflix for awhile, and basically every episode is them playing a clip of someone with a view they don't like, then Penn completely mischaracterizing their view and putting words in their mouths, and then Penn calling them assholes. He's such a loving douchebag to people nice enough to agree to be on his program.
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PostNouveau posted:That whole show really. I had fond memories of it until it was on Netflix for awhile, and basically every episode is them playing a clip of someone with a view they don't like, then Penn completely mischaracterizing their view and putting words in their mouths, and then Penn calling them assholes. He's such a loving douchebag to people nice enough to agree to be on his program. Like, to the extent that IIRC they even started mocking the overuse of "...and then there's this rear end in a top hat:".
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ErIog posted:Penn Jillette is one of the few libertarian people I don't actively dislike because, unlike a lot of people, he really genuinely believes that libertarian nonsense will help people. He's also really hard line on some stuff that other libertarians ignore or let their own personal feelings get the better of them over. Immigration, diversity, marriage, separation of church and state, and equality of gender are some of the things that he defends really hard. I just wish he could make the leap that government enforcement is required in order to improve the state of those things. I dunno man, I read a poker book coauthored by him and he comes off as a giant rear end in a top hat. Albeit the book was about cheating (and detecting cheating) in poker games but his basic position was, "If you aren't willing to rig the game why the gently caress are you even playing? Of course cheating is stealing but gently caress you, if the cops come knocking I'm grabbing all I can and making a run for it!" There wasn't clearly defined writer's portions so maybe it was mostly the other guy but it'd be really hard for me to respect someone who thinks it's perfectly reasonable to cheat others out of money as long as they think they can get away with it.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^I only know him through his show and a couple youtube videos, I have never read anything by him.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have a hard time disliking Penn, he has alot of stupid wrong opinions but he is seems like such a a likable charismatic guy. He lacks any of the bigotry and spite motivations that other right wingers do and at least he has alot good opinions as well. That being said watch his episodes on Wal-Mart, taxes, or second hand smoke if you want to see some real dumb poo poo. I wish he would just stick to laughing at people who believe in UFO's and doomsday cultists. Axetrain fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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Anubis posted:"If you aren't willing to rig the game why the gently caress are you even playing? Of course cheating is stealing but gently caress you, if the cops come knocking I'm grabbing all I can and making a run for it!" quote:someone who thinks it's perfectly reasonable to cheat others out of money as long as they think they can get away with it. Libertarianism.txt
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Axetrain posted:That being said watch his episodes on Wal-Mart. Anti-union talk, and defense of sweat shops aside, I wasn't too cool with the "Print Shop" couple they interviewed. The cracks about it being a job "A monkey could do", and insulting the elderly over being greeters is some lame poo poo. Until you've actually done it yourself? You really have no room to talk.
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3,000 views. Video uploaded 4 weeks ago. 
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FuzzySkinner posted:Anti-union talk, and defense of sweat shops aside, I wasn't too cool with the "Print Shop" couple they interviewed. The cracks about it being a job "A monkey could do", and insulting the elderly over being greeters is some lame poo poo. Until you've actually done it yourself? You really have no room to talk. The dumbest part was that those 2 were just engaging in the very free market he espouses. His whole complaint that you shouldn't criticize a company for their business practices is a criticism of the print shop's business practices.
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Also the implication was that those two are representative of everybody who doesn't like Wal-Mart.
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The best episode of Bullshit was the one where they went after Code Pink by showing a bunch of faded hippies having a potluck and talking about stuff while Jillette had a screaming fit in voice-over. LOOK AT THESE STUPID loving ASSHOLES EATING DINNER.
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paranoid randroid posted:The best episode of Bullshit was the one where they went after Code Pink by showing a bunch of faded hippies having a potluck and talking about stuff while Jillette had a screaming fit in voice-over. LOOK AT THESE STUPID loving ASSHOLES EATING DINNER. Yeah, that for me was a 'showbiz douche collides with real people behaving normally' moment. Oh my GOD! They're sitting around EATING and TALKING ABOUT THINGS!!! At least they mocked the actually-batshit-insane 'move forward America.'
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Jillette also lives in the second ugliest, stupidest house I've ever seen. I motion he be declared an overall fartknocker and his memory be darned.
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paranoid randroid posted:Jillette also lives in the second ugliest, stupidest house I've ever seen.
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Ok in all honesty Penn Jillette's "Slammer" is the actual worst; I just wanted an excuse to post Scott Adams' house. dare ye approach the tower of the Dilbermancer Here's Jillette's romper room bullshit, for comparison.  And the thread's lifetime achievement award goes to Rush Limbaugh's rococo bedroom. I maintain he missed a gigantic opportunity by not putting little cigar chomping El Rushbo cherubs all over the place. 
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I think I would grow to hate that tower.
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Man, another thing that bothers me is that Penn & Teller are really good magicians. I don't know much about magic, so I don't know if they're technically great or anything, but they put on an awesome show. Everytime I see them do a magic performance, I'm thoroughly entertained, but in the back of my mind there's always that voice going "libertarian shitheels." They did a show for BBC called "Fool Us" that's really, really good if you can find it. Other magicians perform tricks in front of Penn and Teller, and if they can't figure out how the trick is done, the magician gets flown out to Vegas to open for them for a week.
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The only Penn and Teller magic show I've seen involved a huge human-sized habitrail set piece that they teased for the entire act. At the very end they announced they needed a volunteer to go into it for their final trick. Then they locked the poor schmo (who was probably a plant in retrospect) in a small section of it and started dropping rats in with him. It was hilarious.
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PostNouveau posted:They did a show for BBC called "Fool Us" that's really, really good if you can find it. Other magicians perform tricks in front of Penn and Teller, and if they can't figure out how the trick is done, the magician gets flown out to Vegas to open for them for a week. I actually saw this the other day. Definitely an enjoyable show. Would be nice if he stuck with doing that instead of providing awful opinions on right-wing media outlets.
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P&T are pretty rad folks as human beings in person, in spite of some lovely political views though. They're real friendly and chatty with fans. Penn is known to provoke his liberal friends though, to make them stand up for their views. He digs his liberal friends a lot though so I guess him an ok Joe. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Jul 19, 2014 |
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I might be wrong but I don't think trees are the "ultimate renewable resource" when we're destroying them at a much faster rate than they can mature and replace the very lungs of this little planet. But what do I know? Junk pine might be just fine.
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Back in high school, I used to listen to a lot of WLUP-FM in Chicago when it was mostly a comedy/talk station. I remember one week the usual nighttime host was out, so a guy named Tony Fitzpatrick took over the slot. He's an actor and artist, and his main claim to fame is that he's in virtually all of Jonathan Demme's movies somewhere. Fitzpatrick was also tight with Penn Jillette, so Jillette came in one night and ended up co-hosting. My abiding memory of the guy, for no real reason, is that a lady called in to tell him that she wanted to go out with him while he was in town, and so he starts interviewing her for compatibility. The first question was something like, "Have you in any way accepted the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart as your savior?" Beat. "Because that's a deal-breaker."
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quote:It wasn't "Not profitable" it was "has no financial advantage" i.e. has the same cost to recycle paper as to make new, and his example was paper, and he's exactly right in that point. Trees are the ultimate renewable resource (as other other fast-growing plants we can use to make paper). quote:I might be wrong but I don't think trees are the "ultimate renewable resource" when we're destroying them at a much faster rate than they can mature and replace the very lungs of this little planet.
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because we all know that financial advantage is the greatest factor in any decision ever made
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paranoid randroid posted:Here's Jillette's romper room bullshit, for comparison. I'm entirely ok with this stage magician's wizard tower.
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Holy poo poo http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9264391/my-secret-lust-for-right-wing-women/ quote:I recently had sex with a woman who writes for the Guardian and in the heat of the moment I said, ‘I love you — you filthy slut!’ I meant it as a compliment! Honest! She stopped the proceedings and gave me a long lecture about how the ‘verbal demeaning of women’ was totally unacceptable. I had a similar experience with a woman of the right. (I won’t repeat what I said because it’s too embarrassing.) But she just laughed and said, ‘Oh, you do say the sweetest things to a girl!’ quote:I have slept with women who write for the New Statesman and women who write for the Daily Telegraph and I can’t honestly claim that one lot is better than the other. But there are certain post-coital benefits that come with women of the right. They never subject a man to the music of Nick Drake or Nina Simone. As good libertarians, they don’t mind if you smoke in bed or pick up a newspaper or roll over and go to sleep — come to think of it, that’s what they are more likely to do. Nor do you ever have to lie in bed and watch some mawkish film about Nelson Mandela or one made by Michael Moore. (They don’t think you’re demented because you’d rather watch Die Hard.) And right-wing women never think that leaving the toilet seat up is a passive-aggressive act of patriarchy.
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things that never happened for 400, alex
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moths posted:I'm entirely ok with this stage magician's wizard tower. The window you see there is his office; positioned in the window is an honest-to-poo poo authentic human skeleton that Penn likes to have there sort of "staring" out at people who show up.
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Here's another article from that guy. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1239987/As-half-million-middle-aged-adults-parents-50-year-old-warns-seriously-risk-sanity.html quote:I know this because for more than two-and-a-half years I've been living with my elderly parents. And in that time, I've nearly killed my mother and given my father a heart attack. I've seen my hair turn totally grey, my hopes turn to ashes, and my sex life bite the dust. Dude was 50 when he wrote that.
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Conservatives have sex like this, liberals have sex like this.
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I doubt they were Real Conservatives if they were having pre-marital sex.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9264391/my-secret-lust-for-right-wing-women/
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moths posted:I'm entirely ok with this stage magician's wizard tower. Could be taller... I mean how does he expect to project his power with a tower that small?
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Heh, good ol DnD Don't-Laugh-at-this-Libertarian-Jokester-I-Liked-in-High-School/College Police. I think much of the bombast and factual inaccuracies in Bullshit! were the result of the format and gimmick of the show. After all, the premise is that they're supposed to prove whatever the topic of the week is is definitively bullshit. In his podcast, "Penn's Sunday School", Penn Jillette seems way more unsure of his beliefs and thus far more willing to caveat the gently caress out every assertion that he is unsure about. His rant about Paul Krugman in an episode a few months ago is a good demonstration of this. While he was criticizing Krugman he constantly qualified it with statements such as "Now he obviously knows infinitely more about economics than me" and "I'm a big dumb loving idiot" and "I know I'm wildly misstating his views here." So as far as libertarians go, he at least has some degree of self awareness about the holes in the ideology and in his own knowledge (a self-awareness that he did not demonstrate on Bullshit, presumably due to the nature of the show). I am under the impression that being a capital L Libertarian is just such an important part of his identity that he overlooks the canyon sized gaps in reasoning that constitutes the basic premisses of the ideology. That said, I stopped watching Bullshit! around Season 2 or 3 when it became "Things Libertarians loving Hate!" Sidenote: He is a good entertainer in Vegas and I bought one of his metal Bill of Rights (with the Fourth Amendment in bold red letters) that he sold at his show solely for the purpose of it being found by the TSA. This was during the transition to body scanners however, so I put it in my side pocket to see if the body scanners would find it. It did not. So if you ever want to sneak flat metal objects (e.g. razor blades) on a plane, there is your one weird trick that TSA agents hate.
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Bullshit is as good as it is bad. When they were mocking 9/11 truthers, ghost hunters, and tarot readers it was hilarious and awesome, and when they went on libertarian rants it was absolutely terrible. I would hang out with Penn in a heartbeat though.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Bullshit is as good as it is bad. When they were mocking 9/11 truthers, ghost hunters, and tarot readers it was hilarious and awesome, and when they went on libertarian rants it was absolutely terrible. Penn put up all the episodes on youtube in case people wanted to look at some of them.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Could be taller... I mean how does he expect to project his power with a tower that small?
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