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Popular Thug Drink posted:Yes. What most people think of as country music is just processed pop poo poo with a southern accent and a fiddle in the background - that's where Nashville's been headed for decades. That's always been how Music Row worked. They started by incorporating cheesy string sections in the early rock 'n roll era to lure in listeners who preferred crooners and pop standards, and were turned off by rockabilly and race music. Garth Brooks, Alan Jackson, etc. got big by putting on arena rock shows right when that sort of thing was in decline elsewhere. Nowadays it's four on the floor electronic beats, heavier multitracked guitars, and the occasional rap verse. Throw a twang on top of it with the Markov chain lyric generator and you got a hit. I'm sure in a few more years they'll start using dubstep drops and metalcore breakdowns.
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BrandorKP posted:Pop country has been terrible for decades. I went back home once and my "country" cousins took me to a "country bar" that was all techno dance mixes that everyone line danced to it was just awful. We didn't call bro-country bro-country, we just knew that guys who really kickstarted it kinda sucked. Part of this stuff began as frat country, which was an offshoot of some really good musicians like Robert Earl Keen, Jerry Jeff Walker, Willie Nelson, Lyle Lovett, Steve Earle, Townes Van Zandt and so on. The generation where it really forked was somewhere around Cory Morrow, Pat Green, Roger Creager and those guys. The other part came straight out of those constant Nashville attempts to do fusion acts and songs to get crossover appeal. The end result is pretty horrible. Of course, as someone said, Nashville's been horrible since before anyone here was alive, it's just evolving to maintain its lead. Here, I couldn't find a good copy of REK and Lyle singing "This Old Porch"/"The Front Porch Song" so you get The Armadillo Jackal and No Kinda Dancer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBzQMAZyDzI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unftUsV-2Zw Guy put a freaking tuba in a country song in the mid-1980s to great effect, back before it was cool to do that poo poo. ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 20, 2014 |
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Jul 20, 2014 00:20
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Pop country's what the words "shameless" and "trash" were coined to denote. The venerable masters of country rebelled against it four decades ago, in a cloud of pot smoke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swRJeMsk21g Everyone in rotation on "young country" stations should commit suicide 
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Jul 20, 2014 00:21
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comes along bort posted:Nowadays it's four on the floor electronic beats, heavier multitracked guitars, and the occasional rap verse. Throw a twang on top of it with the Markov chain lyric generator and you got a hit. That's the exact formula that The KLF guaranteed would give you a #1 hit in The Manual back in 1988.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:25
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what's for dinner tonight fellas? i'm makin a steak 
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Jul 20, 2014 00:28
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All this really makes me appreciate my father. I grew up listening to dad playing folk/country songs on the guitar. Some of it was ridiculously obscure, like the only other places I found some of these songs are in folk achieves.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:30
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comes along bort posted:I'm sure in a few more years they'll start using dubstep drops and metalcore breakdowns. I Knew You Were Trouble already exists. 
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Jul 20, 2014 00:31
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Swan Oat posted:what's for dinner tonight fellas? i'm makin a steak Chipotle, Because I'm not home and you're all wrong; Moe's is terrible in comparison. Edit: Chipotle with Bell's Cherry Stout.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:32
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ReindeerF posted:Cory Morrow, Pat Green, Roger Creager ... These are the three exact guys that popped into my head when I saw the term bro-country. In the early-mid 00s when I was an undergrad they were all huge down these parts, but I guess the difference is they were actually pretty good. Definitely started to split around then though, you're right about that. Also yeah, REK owns. Great live show too.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:34
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Joementum posted:That's the exact formula that The KLF guaranteed would give you a #1 hit in The Manual back in 1988. And they would know, being Justified and Ancient and all.
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comes along bort posted:And they would know, being Justified and Ancient and all. Their take on Billie Jean is wholly incorrect, though.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:40
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Swan Oat posted:what's for dinner tonight fellas? i'm makin a steak Made chicken fricassee, myself. Was pretty bitchin'. Popular Thug Drink, I worded my question poorly. I meant, is bro-country the same thing as hick-pop, which it sounds like is more or less the case.
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Jul 20, 2014 00:41
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Ironically hipsters are engaging in more cultural preservation and authentic performance than the Grand Ole Opry. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovzdZLXWnIg
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SedanChair posted:Pop country's what the words "shameless" and "trash" were coined to denote. The venerable masters of country rebelled against it four decades ago, in a cloud of pot smoke: You say this like pop-not-country is somehow better or something everyone assumes that the pop music they listen to is somehow reflective of some greater music tradition or has more meaning than the pop music they don't listen to. This is not true, it is all cliched, formulaic pap. (this won't stop me from secretly dancing to all of it though)
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Jul 20, 2014 00:42
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Joementum posted:That's the exact formula that The KLF guaranteed would give you a #1 hit in The Manual back in 1988. ReidRansom posted:Also yeah, REK owns. Great live show too.
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:You say this like pop-not-country is somehow better or something The music I listen to draws upon the great tradition of cliched, formulaic pap. 
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:You say this like pop-not-country is somehow better or something It is, there are some amazing musicians in the Top 40 right now. You couldn't be more wrong 
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ReindeerF posted:I always feel guilty that I like The White Room so much, but dammit it's just entertaining as Hell, heh. I'm honestly surprised that nobody has been able to take musical cynicism as far as they did in the last 25 years.
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comes along bort posted:Nashville's been a hopeless cesspool longer than most of us have been alive. I grew up as a real rural white kid and I listened to metal entirely as a reaction to the fact that my parents only listened to country. At 32 years old, I think I listen to more country than anything else these days. It's only when I left the US that I really started listening to it again. Here's one of my favorite country songs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-G2J3RzURA
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This reminds me of a particular phenomenon I came across in all the Vietnam War research I've been doing for a while now, music as signifier of socio-ethnic blocs within the military during that time. White lifers tended to favor country-western, whereas black draftees unsurprisingly tended more towards Motown, soul, and funk, with white draftees being rockers more often than not (there was some cross-pollination between the last two groups, but almost none with either of them and the first). More than one bar-brawl-turned-race-riot broke out when white lifers monopolized the jukebox in the enlisted club, and blacks got tired of having to listening to, "that hillbilly poo poo."
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If you are a person who likes the idea of liking bluegrass more than they actually like most bluegrass (i.e. like me) this is a really good pop folk song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTV9EZN1miQ (Like a lot of good pop folk it is Canadian)
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pangstrom posted:If you are a person who likes the idea of liking bluegrass more than they actually like most bluegrass (i.e. like me) this is a really good pop folk song: This is my favorite pop folk group, although I don't know if they even exist anymore. I saw them do a live show with Frontier Ruckus several years ago back in Michigan and it was pretty cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z_87A7Zpqs
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7mlaGOhWCg banjo is really good and this is an interesting civil war song.
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Miltank, That Amythyst Kiah is good poo poo. Unrelated, you asked in another thread how do they treat their employees? Pretty drat well, no turn over from what I see in over a decade, it's really kind-of a shocking level of employee retention frankly. On the other hand no promotions either, everybody is in the same jobs.
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Joementum posted:I'm honestly surprised that nobody has been able to take musical cynicism as far as they did in the last 25 years.
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BrandorKP posted:Miltank, Hey what type of banjo do you play? I picked up banjo a couple years ago and I have been really into clawhammer.
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SedanChair posted:It is, there are some amazing musicians in the Top 40 right now. You couldn't be more wrong That depends on your definition of amazing. If by amazing you mean truly innovative, genre-altering music, then no, because everything in the top 40 you haven't heard before has been almost certainly done by someone else who never made it to the charts. Also music effectively ended in 1952 because you're never going to hear anything more antithetical to the entire concept of music than 4'33". If by amazing you mean you enjoy listening to it because it sounds good, then there's totally lots of amazing music out there! This also means there's amazing music on every chart because it's a subjective measurement that doesn't define anything except your own personal taste and culture.
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Soviet Commubot posted:I grew up as a real rural white kid and I listened to metal entirely as a reaction to the fact that my parents only listened to country. At 32 years old, I think I listen to more country than anything else these days. It's only when I left the US that I really started listening to it again. how is this real
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Miltank posted:Hey what type of banjo do you play? I picked up banjo a couple years ago and I have been really into clawhammer. It's been fifteen years since I picked one up at this point. Fingerpicking, I remember my rolls and a couple of chords but that's about it. edit: Swan Oat posted:how is this real Unironically that song is occasionally my work week steel mills, warehouses, assembly lines, diners, and coal. Bar Ran Dun fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jul 20, 2014 |
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Soviet Commubot posted:I grew up as a real rural white kid and I listened to metal entirely as a reaction to the fact that my parents only listened to country. At 32 years old, I think I listen to more country than anything else these days. It's only when I left the US that I really started listening to it again. This looks like those generic background videos that they have at Karaoke joints.
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:This looks like those generic background videos that they have at Karaoke joints. http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=h...rName=Joementum
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That song has always been hilarious. I always feel like it's the musical direct descendant of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYtJIFVxQXY Alabama was required to have a Workin' Class Workin' Man's song on every album. They were also required to have at least one New Deal song, which is reflective of the fact that they came up as Southern Democrats (something you don't hear a lot of in country today!). The lyrics to Song of the South would have teabaggers steamrolling Alabama CDs (can you even buy CDs anymore?) across Red America. quote:Daddy was a veteran, a southern democrat quote:Well somebody told us Wall Street fell ReindeerF fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jul 20, 2014 |
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The country/folk music schism is the single most interesting thing in american music history by a long shot, because boy howdy did they turn out different. In that modern commercial country music sucks an incredible amount of rear end, whereas folk music kicks all of that same rear end it's da truth
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Swan Oat posted:what's for dinner tonight fellas? i'm makin a steak I'm making beans and rice. First time using my oven. It hasn't exploded yet, and it seems to be a nice, even, temperature, so I may not be ruining dinner/my apartment!
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ReindeerF posted:Alabama was required to have a Workin' Class Workin' Man's song on every album. They were also required to have at least one New Deal song, which is reflective of the fact that they came up as Southern Democrats (something you don't hear a lot of in country today!). The lyrics to Song of the South would have teabaggers steamrolling Alabama CDs (can you even buy CDs anymore?) across Red America. Yeah the only other big time band that mined similar territory was pre-crash Skynyrd, and it'd be career suicide if they wrote something like Things Goin' On today.
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:That depends on your definition of amazing. If by amazing you mean truly innovative, genre-altering music, then no, because everything in the top 40 you haven't heard before has been almost certainly done by someone else who never made it to the charts. Also music effectively ended in 1952 because you're never going to hear anything more antithetical to the entire concept of music than 4'33". How does it feel to be an insufferable rear end?
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John Cage was totally okay with his stuff not being part of whatever you all want music to be, he just wanted people to explore sounds and soundscapes. And he also changed his mind about music as he aged. What I'm saying is John Cage probably wouldn't appreciate you making authoritative claims about music from his work. Good thing he's dead tho.
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:That depends on your definition of amazing. If by amazing you mean truly innovative, genre-altering music, then no, because everything in the top 40 you haven't heard before has been almost certainly done by someone else who never made it to the charts. Also music effectively ended in 1952 because you're never going to hear anything more antithetical to the entire concept of music than 4'33". This is like saying that Art ended in 1917 because DuChamp put a urinal in a gallery e: obligatory 4'33 image 
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Defenestration posted:This is like saying that Art ended in 1917 because DuChamp put a urinal in a gallery didn't it though
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PsychoInternetHawk posted:That depends on your definition of amazing. If by amazing you mean truly innovative, genre-altering music, then no, because everything in the top 40 you haven't heard before has been almost certainly done by someone else who never made it to the charts. Also music effectively ended in 1952 because you're never going to hear anything more antithetical to the entire concept of music than 4'33". You don't appear to know anything. Did you learn about music by reading about it on Wikipedia but not listening to any of it?
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