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Hyperriker posted:This would still happen regardless. Also, i imagine, if any of us were in Geordi's position. Yep. I'm referring to his creepy relationship with HoloBrahms. The AI that was part of the ship.
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Jellico would be the perfect captain for Tom Clancy In Space.
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Grand Fromage posted:That was probably his best trait in command, immediately recognizing Data is the most useful crew member any commander could possibly have and taking full advantage of his presence. But on the other hand Data never went rogue and hijacked the ship because of a signal from his dad or started torturing bridge staff for the borg while Jellico was captain.
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Jul 20, 2014 09:17
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Jellico would be the perfect captain for Tom Clancy In Space. Nah, Helena Cain from BSG would've.
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Jul 20, 2014 09:21
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Jellico would be the perfect captain for Tom Clancy In Space. But who would be our plucky intelligence analyst who is a former soldier, a former stock broker worth millions, a best-selling author, and a family man with a firm conviction in the moral rightness of Christianity?
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Jul 20, 2014 12:51
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Janeway. Did she even have a backstory to retcon?
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Jul 20, 2014 13:03
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Arglebargle III posted:Janeway. Did she even have a backstory to retcon? I think one of the show writers wrote a book with her backstory or something
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Arglebargle III posted:Janeway. Did she even have a backstory to retcon? She had a dog, and I think a husband. Could have been a fiancee though. Super interesting stuff.
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Jul 20, 2014 13:09
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Tom Clancy In Space. You should read some of the Star Fleet Battles fiction.  Oh wait, no. Shouldn't. That's what I meant to say.
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Jul 20, 2014 13:09
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:But who would be our plucky intelligence analyst who is a former soldier, a former stock broker worth millions, a best-selling author, and a family man with a firm conviction in the moral rightness of Gul Dukat.
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Jul 20, 2014 13:11
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Gul Dukat. Shouldn't that be Legate?
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Jul 20, 2014 13:32
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No, the answer is Garak. Or if we're talking post-DS9, Bashir. Post-Voyager? I could see Tuvok doing the job nicely.
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"What if Riker had Google?" is my new favorite thing. "do vulcans masturbate?"
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And we are learning about it only NOW??!! PS I went to Washington DC and met a beautiful lady.
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Alchenar posted:But on the other hand Data never went rogue and hijacked the ship because of a signal from his dad or started torturing bridge staff for the borg while Jellico was captain. Has anyone ever counted the number of times that Data was compromised in such a way that it put the entire ship in jeopardy? I think it has to be, like 7 or 8 times. He's a pretty major liability.
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Bucswabe posted:Has anyone ever counted the number of times that Data was compromised in such a way that it put the entire ship in jeopardy? I think it has to be, like 7 or 8 times. He's a pretty major liability. Pretty major asset, too, though. Measure of a Man is still my favorite Trek ever.
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razorrozar posted:Pretty major asset, too, though. Oh for sure! But I'm thinking that by the end of the series, someone would have a secret file with just a list of contingency plans for when Data loses his mind and tries to destroy the crew.
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The crux of Riker's issue with Jellico was that he gambled an awful lot on basically insulting the Cardassians into submission. Outright war is a drat fine line to tread when you arent even confident about what youre doing. He's the perfect idea of middle management, upheave everything you can at your new job to show you are the boss, engage in behaviour detrimental to the people around you and then demote/remove those who disagree with your reckless decisions. That said, Riker was made to be waaaay to much of a bitchy whiner then was necessary to get the point across.
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I think I remember a scene from Chain in Command when Riker was just leaning backwards, rolling his eyes and blowing out his cheeks at orders he was receiving from his captain, and even exchanging "what a crock of poo poo" looks with Troi while Jellico was looking at him. Starfleet is pretty lax about insubordination I guess.
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Jul 20, 2014 20:22
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Bucswabe posted:Has anyone ever counted the number of times that Data was compromised in such a way that it put the entire ship in jeopardy? I think it has to be, like 7 or 8 times. He's a pretty major liability. Well its not like the biological crew were any less of a liability in the mind control department.
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Jul 20, 2014 20:26
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:Well its not like the biological crew were any less of a liability in the mind control department. gently caress you for reminding me that I have "The Game" to look forward to.
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Wowbagger2004 posted:I think I remember a scene from Chain in Command when Riker was just leaning backwards, rolling his eyes and blowing out his cheeks at orders he was receiving from his captain, and even exchanging "what a crock of poo poo" looks with Troi while Jellico was looking at him. Starfleet is pretty lax about insubordination I guess. Riker makes a colossally exaggerated jacking-off movement while Jellico is talking directly to him. Jellico grabs him by the scalp and says "You just hosed with the wrong guy." then leaves. The next night, Riker is entertaining some lady friends, then Annorax of the Krenim Imperium walks in...
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Jul 20, 2014 20:46
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And then Jellico looks Troi in the eye and says, "Bitches, leave." (wrong guy, I know)
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Jellico had to kill Tasha Yar because she made a mistake. Now it's time to erase that mistake.
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Gau posted:"What if Riker had Google?" is my new favorite thing. "Whorin' Bajoran" is the best name for a Star Trek porn series  "space stations deep space 1 to 8" is something I'm sure a lot of people have googled
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Gau posted:"What if Riker had Google?" is my new favorite thing. May 24: how to decrease gravity in quarters May 25: how to increase gravity in quarters
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"cardassian dungeon porn" "cardassian dungeon porn -kardashian" This better get a book deal next.
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Bucswabe posted:Has anyone ever counted the number of times that Data was compromised in such a way that it put the entire ship in jeopardy? I think it has to be, like 7 or 8 times. He's a pretty major liability. There's an easy reason that's not a big deal though: I bet it's the same number of times the human characters have put the ship in jeopardy. Mind controlling aliens is such a run of the mill occurrence in Star Fleet you could probably get away with anything if you said the aliens made you do it.
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Blazing Ownager posted:There's an easy reason that's not a big deal though: I bet it's the same number of times the human characters have put the ship in jeopardy.
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I always assumed Jellico's shift changes were because that's what they were going to have to implement during combat operations anyhow and might as well have them in place ahead of time. The episode where the little girl has the invisible friend that hadoukens Troi in a closet and never uses any inflection in her voice bugs me because Alexander's like THERES NO SUCH THING AS INVISIBLE PEOPLE!!!! even though like every third episode features one. Although the only redeeming thing Alexander ever did was in that episode: makes a bitching chalice for Worf, out of clay.
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I know goons tend to have impossibly high standards when it comes to critiquing shows and series, especially the dreaded genetically impure fan-fiction scum. Regardless, if by the third episode you aren't questioning whether you are watching lost TOS episodes, I'm sorry, you don't have a soul. http://www.startrekcontinues.com/episodes James Doohan reprises his father's role. A lot of other familiar faces along the way too. Give it a spin if you haven't already.
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You're James Doohan, Jr., aren't you?
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:You're James Doohan, Jr., aren't you? I'm the dude in the red shirt that gets shot every episode.
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Nessus posted:The problem seems to be that like, Spock or Worf or something could be stunned into submission, while Data seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut of autistic cyberpower. So if you can hack Data's brain, he can just kill or disable everyone else. What are you gonna do, have him fight Ensign Naraht? Good reference.  They probably have the CG to him well. That'd be brilliant if they used him some day. Though, frankly, the JJ Trek stuff is even more humanocentric than the old shows were.
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Vagabundo posted:Nah, Helena Cain from BSG would've. Naw, she's the admiral that makes Jellico look squishy by comparison. Blazing Ownager posted:There's an easy reason that's not a big deal though: I bet it's the same number of times the human characters have put the ship in jeopardy. Yeah until you're ordered to go see Counselor Troi to talk about your traumatic experience and whoops she sees through your lie pretty quickly.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Yeah until you're ordered to go see Counselor Troi to talk about your traumatic experience and whoops she sees through your lie pretty quickly. The aliens made me do it. Then they brainwashed me! They brainwashed me to make me think I'm lying right now, but I swear I'm telling the truth.
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Nessus posted:The problem seems to be that like, Spock or Worf or something could be stunned into submission, while Data seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut of autistic cyberpower. So if you can hack Data's brain, he can just kill or disable everyone else. What are you gonna do, have him fight Ensign Naraht? Pretty sure Data can be stunned with a phaser. Also remember there's been times when mind control made non-androids almost or completely immune to stun too, and also pretty strong (TNG Conspiracy, Power Play).
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Sash! posted:I always assumed Jellico's shift changes were because that's what they were going to have to implement during combat operations That's what battle stations are for. There's a reason they say "all hands to battle stations." Nobody gets to clock out while they're getting shot at.
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Arglebargle III posted:That's what battle stations are for. There's a reason they say "all hands to battle stations." Nobody gets to clock out while they're getting shot at. No, Jellico was doing more like moving them to REDCON 2 instead of sounding general quarters. He was surging the personnel to get the ship ready because the Federation had effectively issued a war warning. It was close enough that the higher tempo shouldn't have fatigued the crew too much before things got all REDCON 1 onboard, because that was like "ok today is Monday and I want fewer watch changes now to get ready because we're going to be killing spoonhead bastards on Wednesday."
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Sash! posted:"ok today is Monday and I want fewer watch changes now to get ready because we're going to be killing spoonhead bastards on Wednesday."
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