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Walter posted:I love how this is all coming because a bunch of D&D posters happen to also like Penn and Teller. Hey, sorry one of the folks you like happens to be an rear end in a top hat with terrible views. No one's giving him a pass for having lovely views.
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Spacedad posted:There's also the whole 'tolerance of people with different opinions from your own' thing too. Something which we really should bring to bear more often. Walter posted:So we need to tolerate Penn's "different opinions?" Okay, what other opinions? Anthropogenic climate change isn't happening? Minimum wage causes massive unemployment and inflation? Cutting unemployment benefits will cause people to go get jobs? Vaccinations are causing autism? That's a whole lot of angry cause you're bad at reading.
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Jul 21, 2014 03:53
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So is 'The president is weak because the USA hasnt turned Russia into a parking lot 72 hours after the Malaysian Airlines flight incident' a thing? I've heard almost the exact same phrasing word for word from 3 different people over the weekend...
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Jul 21, 2014 04:09
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All this blame on Obama for stuff in other countries is like, I dunno, if Liberal Democrats decided criticize David Cameron for not doing enough about Benghazi.
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Jul 21, 2014 04:38
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Assuming everyone here can stop talking about a silly magician that nobody cares about, can someone give me the basics of why the right is blaming Obama for all of these children that are crossing the border and it is his fault, even though the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 passed without question? I get it that the DREAM act came in '12, but still. All I see is Ted Cruz bashing Obama and telling him to come visit the border (like that matters), and I get it that the right will do anything to blame the president.
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Jul 21, 2014 04:44
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Mr Hands Colon posted:Assuming everyone here can stop talking about a silly magician that nobody cares about, can someone give me the basics of why the right is blaming Obama for all of these children that are crossing the border and it is his fault, even though the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 passed without question? I get it that the DREAM act came in '12, but still. All I see is Ted Cruz bashing Obama and telling him to come visit the border (like that matters), and I get it that the right will do anything to blame the president. Nope, you got it.
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Jul 21, 2014 04:48
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Mr Hands Colon posted:Assuming everyone here can stop talking about a silly magician that nobody cares about We've spent time talking about Adam Carolla of all people. Hackles raised=0
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Jul 21, 2014 04:49
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Mr Hands Colon posted:Assuming everyone here can stop talking about a silly magician that nobody cares about, can someone give me the basics of why the right is blaming Obama for all of these children that are crossing the border and it is his fault, even though the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 passed without question? I get it that the DREAM act came in '12, but still. All I see is Ted Cruz bashing Obama and telling him to come visit the border (like that matters), and I get it that the right will do anything to blame the president. What I'd like to know is how are we catching people by the hundreds and yet the border is "not secure". Not secure means we aren't catching anyone. Spacedad posted:There's also the whole 'tolerance of people with different opinions from your own' thing too. Something which we really should bring to bear more often. Son, that poo poo is for hippies.
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Jul 21, 2014 06:19
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Speaking of Cruz, expect this to be talked about tomorrow True Blood meets Ted Cruz Vampires Eric and his progeny Pam attended a Ted Cruz fundraiser supposedly held at the George W. Bush Presidential Library in Dallas to search for the parents of their enemy, Sarah Newlin. Trying to blend in, Eric dons a Western-style suit with a bolo instead of a necktie while Pam puts on a purple dress worthy of a gala on either side of the aisle. But when she catches a glimpse of herself in a mirror, Pam utters a line that would light up Twitter: "Oh...my...god... I'm a Republicunt" Then a bloody massacre happens
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Jul 21, 2014 07:11
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:What I'd like to know is how are we catching people by the hundreds and yet the border is "not secure". Not secure means we aren't catching anyone. There's no catching going on. These kids trying to get across the border are walking right up to border patrol and asking to be let in.
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Jul 21, 2014 07:15
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Speaking of Cruz, expect this to be talked about tomorrow That almost makes me feel bad for not watching True Blood since season 3 or so.
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Jul 21, 2014 07:15
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dreffen posted:That almost makes me feel bad for not watching True Blood since season 3 or so. You really shouldn't
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Jul 21, 2014 08:12
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Star Man posted:There's no catching going on. These kids trying to get across the border are walking right up to border patrol and asking to be let in. Aren't these kids more refugee, than migrant?
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Jul 21, 2014 09:25
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SedanChair posted:Rush Limbaugh is an incredibly talented broadcaster, I guess I should tolerate his views. You know, I'd bet that half of his audience listens to him just to spite the other side. If the media and politicians would just ignore him when he says something, instead of getting all puffed up about it, his influence would deflate like a balloon. So yeah, a little more toleration and less outrage about him would probably be better for the country. But then there's not enough going on in the world to let a 24 hour news cycle go without some manufactured outrage.
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Jul 21, 2014 10:11
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SedanChair posted:We've spent time talking about Adam Carolla of all people. Hackles raised=0 And a shitton of other celebrities with awful opinions. Hell, even Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have gone in front of the firing squad. I have no idea why criticism of Penn struck such a nerve.
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Jul 21, 2014 10:58
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Walter posted:And a shitton of other celebrities with awful opinions. Hell, even Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have gone in front of the firing squad. With the plane crash in Ukraine and the tensions with Russia this weekend has been a replay of right wing and media talking points from march. Boring weekend for this subject matter.
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Jul 21, 2014 11:06
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SedanChair posted:Rush Limbaugh is an incredibly talented broadcaster, I guess I should tolerate his views. Penn isn't anywhere near as disingenuous or actively destructive as pundits like Rush, and you know this. Also, I didn't say 'tolerate his views' I said 'tolerance of other people with different opinions.' Stop being willfully dense and do try to work out this distinction - though both your strawman and my original statement are actually valid, as incorrectly conflating tolerance to mean 'lack of criticism' is a very dangerous road to go down. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Jul 21, 2014 |
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Jul 21, 2014 11:42
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Off topic, but I have a question: what are some of the instances of a nominally liberal media or political figure claiming that all opposition to the President's policies are based on racism? I know that some have claimed certain segments of the opposition to Obama are racist (I believe Obama himself has alluded to this once or twice) and that specific critiques of the President are racist (Gingrich calling Obama the "food stamp president"), but I cannot recall a major liberal figure claiming that all opposition to Obama is ipso facto racist, as many conservatives characterize liberals as doing. Is this characterization based on any incident in particular, or is it fully a result of aggrieved whites preemptively dismissing all criticism of conservative opposition as the product of angry blacks and their effete white allies? Or is it merely part of a larger pathology in American politics whereby racism is always-already gone because slavery/lynching/Jim Crow is not legally sanctioned?
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Jul 21, 2014 12:37
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Edible Hat posted:Or is it merely part of a larger pathology in American politics whereby racism is always-already gone because slavery/lynching/Jim Crow is not legally sanctioned? Hell, I've had people tell me that since all kinds of races were lynched, hanging a noose can't be racist. And that "not everything is racist" in reference to the stars and bars. A lot of people want to stay as willfully blind to the racists nature of society as possible, so any time it can be explained away they will try. A lot of the anti-Obama stuff from more mainstream (i.e. not freep) sources is like this. Even Drudge just dog whistles instead of actually slurring, because that's where the line for acceptability in society is-- you can be racist as long as you couch it in neutral terms. So of course there's a counter-narrative about anti-Obama racism, because it would force people to actually engage with the issues in a rational way instead of being all about belly-feel. P.S. Jim Crow was explicitly legally sanctioned. You can't create separate government institutions like schools without it being part of the law.
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Jul 21, 2014 12:58
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rkajdi posted:P.S. Jim Crow was explicitly legally sanctioned. You can't create separate government institutions like schools without it being part of the law. No, no, that's my point. Racists of each successive generation have dismissed calls for justice because the sin of the previous generation is no longer part of the legal code (i.e. "There is no such thing as racism anymore because legal segregation does not exist, so you have a chip on your shoulder/are stuck in the past/are too nitpicky if you complain") while claiming the present regime with its more subtle barriers to racial equality is the natural order of things or the most egalitarian possible. In America, racism is always-already a thing of the past, a sin of my father that I haven't benefited from, so move on, and by the way, you're the real racist if you bring up race, am I right?
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Jul 21, 2014 13:16
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Edible Hat posted:Is this characterization based on any incident in particular, or is it fully a result of aggrieved whites preemptively dismissing all criticism of conservative opposition as the product of angry blacks and their effete white allies? Or is it merely part of a larger pathology in American politics whereby racism is always-already gone because slavery/lynching/Jim Crow is not legally sanctioned? When Steve Israel says "The the Republican base does have elements that are animated by racism" or Eric Holder says " I don’t think this is the thing that is a main driver, but for some, there’s a racial animus," the GOP base sees that as an attack on the whole, not an attack on a part. They don't hear or forget the "some" because it ain't about nuance here.
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quote:Also, I didn't say 'tolerate his views' I said 'tolerance of other people with different opinions.' What's the difference?
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Jul 21, 2014 13:31
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:What's the difference? People are not the opinions they espouse.
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Jul 21, 2014 15:51
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Disabled Hitler posted:People are not the opinions they espouse. Unless their main drive is the propagation of their opinions. A virus is just a pile of organic bullshit until it decides to make more of itself.
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Jul 21, 2014 15:58
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Disabled Hitler posted:People are not the opinions they espouse. I think they are.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:00
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:I think they are. Well then you're a literal child.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:I think they are. What is it like being 7 and posting on a forum?
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Jul 21, 2014 16:03
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Disabled Hitler posted:Well then you're a literal child.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:06
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Squidster posted:Could you elaborate on what a person is made of, apart from their opinions and beliefs, which guide their actions and larger life? I refuse to believe we have to teach you that people are complicated and can hold contradictory opinions, and often will act in opposition to opinions they espouse.
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Jul 21, 2014 16:09
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Rexicon1 posted:A virus is just a pile of organic bullshit until it decides to make more of itself.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:I refuse to believe we have to teach you that people are complicated and can hold contradictory opinions, and often will act in opposition to opinions they espouse.  But seriously, we judge people based on their actions and our perceptions of their intentions - that's how humanity works. hth! But also this is the dumbest derail. I was interested to see Maddow on Friday discussing how unreliable a lot of the reporting on the Ukraine Plane was - she sounded like she had a lot of journalist frustration at people condemning obviously false Russian reporting, while blithely accepting unsubstantiated Ukrainian claims. She still maintains that the pro-russian separatists were responsible, but drew the same conclusion from reputable sources. She's pretty good at this poo poo.
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Jesus fuckin Christ, and people wonder why leftists are completely impotent in modern America. If somebody seems like a cool person, and shares many common interests, passions and political opinions with you but you still just can't fuckin stand 'em because they read an Ayn Rand novel once or something, it's you. You're the rear end in a top hat in this scenario.
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Jul 21, 2014 17:32
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stinkles1112 posted:Jesus fuckin Christ, and people wonder why leftists are completely impotent in modern America. God I hate defending these idiots because this post is 100% right but there's a pretty huge gap between "Jeff's a nice guy and really funny but he loves Rand so gently caress HIM FOREVER" and "Penn's a pretty good showman but he actively profits off of telling poorly educated people that laws for the disabled are bullshit and global warming is a myth and a bunch of other toxic rear end ideas, that guy's kinda a dick" Like, who here is demanding we storm his lovely castle house and lynch him, some people said he's a libertarian rear end in a top hat and for some reason a bunch of people went "BUT MAGIC THOUGH" is if one somehow beats the other.
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Disabled Hitler posted:Well then you're a literal child. So WBC aren't homophobic hate mongerers, in spite of their views and opinions? Well shucks I guess I had em all wrong. Thanks for clearing that up for me. WoodrowSkillson posted:What is it like being 7 and posting on a forum? Smells better than if I were a liberal with my head rammed right up my sphincter. Are you two a great example of cognitively dissonant airheaded double think? I think so! Zuhzuhzombie!! fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Jul 21, 2014 |
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So it begins:quote:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/07/21/HBOs-True-Blood-Offensively-Attacks-Ted-Cruz-And-GOP-Woman
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Jul 21, 2014 17:52
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:So it begins: This is one of the most bizarre things I've read all
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:So WBC aren't homophobic hate mongerers, in spite of their views and opinions? This is about as relevant as going full Godwin.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:So WBC aren't homophobic hate mongerers, in spite of their views and opinions? lol what the gently caress is this?
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Hodgepodge posted:This is about as relevant as going full Godwin. About as relevant as the made up situation where stinkles1112 got blown off in high school for reading Atlas Shrugged.
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