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Don't forget that time he bitched about Boardwalk Empire because it had a quick side story involving selling guns to the IRA.
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You know, years ago, when I heard about Chuck Zito being pissed at Sutter, I thought 'What the gently caress? Zito's a moron for actually thinking he'd make a better show' (this was YEARS ago). Now, I wish we had a Chuck Zito-helmed motorcycle club show.
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Jul 21, 2014 19:47
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True Detective spent like 45 minutes on outlaw biker poo poo and made it much more scary, cool and badass than SoA
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Jul 21, 2014 19:56
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comes along bort posted:Don't forget that time he bitched about Boardwalk Empire because it had a quick side story involving selling guns to the IRA. That's insane, everyone knows you buy guns from the IRA to sell to Mexican/Black/Chinese gangs on the American West Coast.
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Jul 21, 2014 20:00
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comes along bort posted:Don't forget that time he bitched about Boardwalk Empire because it had a quick side story involving selling guns to the IRA. Those monsters! Including a plotline about Irish-Americans selling weapons to the IRA on a show that is set in a time when the IRA was actually relevant! Next they may have a plotline about racial tensions in America during the 1920s, another obvious attempt to rip off of poor defenseless Kurt Sutter!
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Jul 21, 2014 22:50
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Pron on VHS posted:True Detective spent like 45 minutes on outlaw biker poo poo and made it much more scary, cool and badass than SoA For real this
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Jul 21, 2014 22:51
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:You know, years ago, when I heard about Chuck Zito being pissed at Sutter, I thought 'What the gently caress? Zito's a moron for actually thinking he'd make a better show' (this was YEARS ago). If you wanna get super bummed out HBO was working on an outlaw biker show around 2008 with Donal Logue as the series lead, then Sonny Barger sued them and Sons of Anarchy happened. Pron on VHS posted:True Detective spent like 45 minutes on outlaw biker poo poo and made it much more scary, cool and badass than SoA Plus a better soundtrack- the Melvins, Sleep, Primus, BDP, Wu-Tang, etc. instead of whatever license-free buttrock tunes Sutter found on mp3.com during editing. Alec Bald Snatch fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jul 21, 2014 |
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Jul 21, 2014 23:33
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DrProsek posted:Those monsters! Including a plotline about Irish-Americans selling weapons to the IRA on a show that is set in a time when the IRA was actually relevant! Next they may have a plotline about racial tensions in America during the 1920s, another obvious attempt to rip off of poor defenseless Kurt Sutter! turns out Nucky doesnt care if his gang is black or white as long as they produce the goods Sutter:  we didn't care about that stuff last season!
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Jul 22, 2014 01:24
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It's almost unfair to compare even 30-45 minutes of a show that is as consistently high quality as True Detective S1 to SoA. That the auteur behind TD was completely new to television/film just makes it that much sweeter.
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Jul 22, 2014 01:29
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It just proves some people work better left to their own devices and others benefit from heavy editing and sharing creative control.
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Jul 22, 2014 03:36
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comes along bort posted:It just proves some people work better left to their own devices and others benefit from heavy editing and sharing creative control. I wonder if Sutter's involvement in The Shield was even that beneficial to the show.
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Jul 22, 2014 04:36
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I wonder if Sutter's involvement in The Shield was even that beneficial to the show. Shawn Ryan said that Sutter came up with some of the best stories on the show, but just as frequently he'd come up with something completely batshit and had to be reigned in.
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Jul 22, 2014 04:47
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I wonder if Sutter's involvement in The Shield was even that beneficial to the show. It definitely was. He just wasn't running the show and didn't have carte blanche to go all Sutter-crazy. Let's not forget that the reason a lot of are in this thread right now is because SoA initially nicely filled the hole left by The Shield.
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Jul 22, 2014 11:44
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Basebf555 posted:I haven't seen Mad Men but I can't imagine he's really trying to say Breaking Bad ran out of story. The thing just didn't let up the entire final two seasons. It may not have been perfect, but not because they "ran out of story". It's definitely a valid criticism of Mad Men that it's run out of story -- they're at the point where they're portraying Don Draper's second divorce and you can almost tell that even the cast don't care anymore. Pron on VHS posted:He is talking about Justified. It's a rival show roughly in the same crime drama genre on the same network that has received 7 Emmy noms and I think he has taken passive shots at it before. The last season also was a bit meandering (but still loving awesome) Could be this, too. He wouldn't say that Breaking Bad ran out of story.
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Jul 22, 2014 14:14
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I wonder if Sutter's involvement in The Shield was even that beneficial to the show. The dialogue definitely got a lot cornier after he took over as co-producer.
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Jul 22, 2014 14:26
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Kurt Sutter posted:Considering I’m a week-and-a-half behind writing episode 7, it could all change. I’ve always had a sense of where I wanted it to go, and I come in each season with a blueprint with the big arcs and mile markers. And I’ve learned over seven seasons the looser I grip that idea the better the seasons are. And this season isn’t any different. I came in with how I wanted the season to end … but things change. It’s always been heading in the same direction, but the way I’m getting there continues to change. Sutter basically has no idea how the series will end (Spoiler - with a montage)
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Jul 22, 2014 16:25
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Relax, I have total faith in the man who came up with the CIA Cartel ending.
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Jul 22, 2014 16:33
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LobsterMobster posted:
The final episode will be a 90 minute montage with no commercial breaks.
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Jul 22, 2014 16:42
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smg77 posted:The final episode will be a 90 minute montage with no commercial breaks. It will also be a buttrock musical, with Katey Sagal doing lead and backing vocals.
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Jul 22, 2014 16:46
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Still a better plot than the CIA ending. More cohesive storytelling.
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Jul 22, 2014 16:49
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Sorry if That Is The Joke, but didn't he beg for an extra episode so he could poo poo out the CIA ending because he wrote himself into a corner?
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Jul 22, 2014 17:06
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Fooley posted:Sorry if That Is The Joke, but didn't he beg for an extra episode so he could poo poo out the CIA ending because he wrote himself into a corner? This is the first I'm hearing about this, but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm no writer, but I would think that having an ending first would be a priority, and then you craft your story around it.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:21
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:This is the first I'm hearing about this, but it wouldn't surprise me. I'm no writer, but I would think that having an ending first would be a priority, and then you craft your story around it. Nah, some work that way, some don't. The best ending would be vigilante Mackey wasting the gently caress out of SAMCRO, then he walks right into the camera and cue musical sting.
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Jul 22, 2014 18:49
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Fooley posted:Sorry if That Is The Joke, but didn't he beg for an extra episode so he could poo poo out the CIA ending because he wrote himself into a corner? I'm not sure he has enough self awareness to realize he's written himself into a corner.
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Jul 22, 2014 21:44
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What the gently caress was the point of the wig on CCH?
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Jul 22, 2014 22:15
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Combat Pretzel posted:What the gently caress was the point of the wig on CCH?  Either to thoroughly  anything having to do with the Shield or for a twenty-second scene that happens later in the season.The wig was distracting as gently caress for me, too.
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Jul 22, 2014 22:19
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So she could go hood, sister.
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Jul 22, 2014 22:19
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Combat Pretzel posted:What the gently caress was the point of the wig on CCH?
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Jul 22, 2014 22:19
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I'm still in love with whoever commented that she looked like E.T. in a wig.
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Jul 22, 2014 23:06
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Combat Pretzel posted:What the gently caress was the point of the wig on CCH? To set up a crossover episode with Corey Stoll's wig on The Strain.
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smg77 posted:To set up a crossover episode with Corey Stoll's wig on The Strain. Best post. Thank you.
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We should rename the thread the Sons of Anarchy hatewatch appreciation station. Let's face it: there were a couple of legitimately good episodes last season, and I'm happy for them. We also have bathtubs of piss which are entertainingly horrible. And then there's Venus van Damme. I mean, if we're honest, we're all in here, and probably watching, because Sutter got us hooked like trout. The bait was delicious at first, and then it stung a little, but now we've just been taken out of the water, gasping in the open air. But there remains a certain kind of entertainment value, even if it's horrible, and we've just got to know how it all ends  (even if it's terrible).cf. The Dexter season 8 thread.
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In order for this show to be worse than Dexter, season 7 needs to be filled with nothing happening. I don't think this is how it's going to go down. It'll be stupid and violent, but it'll be entertaining, just in no-way deep or well-written.
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Propaganda Machine posted:even if it's horrible, and we've just got to know how it all ends Only one thing has leaked so far about the finale and it's that the ending is both horrible and terrible
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Propaganda Machine posted:cf. The Dexter season 8 thread. Jax will survive the final season, but he'll be forced to start a new life as a lumberjack in Oregon. There aren't any hurricanes in California so I guess he'll ride his motorcycle into a wildfire.
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Jul 24, 2014 13:33
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The axe flies straight...
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:In order for this show to be worse than Dexter, season 7 needs to be filled with nothing happening. That could very well be what we end up getting though. If any show can match the Dexter finale it's this one.
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CODChimera posted:That could very well be what we end up getting though. If any show can match the Dexter finale it's this one. See, I expect the exact opposite; too much will happen. This show is, by and large, entertaining moment-to-moment. However, when you try and logically string those moments together, everything fails. Leonard Shelby would think this show was a great, action-packed experience, but with Dexter, he'd probably be bored. Like he was watching Green Acres or something.
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smg77 posted:To set up a crossover episode with Corey Stoll's wig on The Strain. If you read the books, you'll understand that Corey Stoll's wig has an actual purpose though. It's not OUT OF IDEAS like shows such as Mad Men and Breaking Bad. Kurt Sutter is such an idiot.
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Propaganda Machine posted:cf. The Dexter season 8 thread. In Dexter someone gets turned into a bench. Maybe we'll have the Tara Teller Memorial Ice Cream or motorcycle seat. Steak fork?
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