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Ultimate Shrek Fan
May 2, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

CumshotCommando posted:

I hear ya. 2013? Ex NEVERENDING RAM?

Yes, we got back to 1 horse, a day later off to winnipeg for some fun in the sun

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CumshotCommando
Dec 10, 2012
Oh yay. Yeah, I figured you were part of that goat rodeo by the sounds of it. Edmonton Garrison wound up in Southern Alberta instead. Everyone got to have fun. TF 2-13 learned lots of useful warfighting skills down there...

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Ultimate Shrek Fan
May 2, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

CumshotCommando posted:

Oh yay. Yeah, I figured you were part of that goat rodeo by the sounds of it. Edmonton Garrison wound up in Southern Alberta instead. Everyone got to have fun. TF 2-13 learned lots of useful warfighting skills down there...



worst part is after all that bullshit, our tour got pulled

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.


Jesus Christ.

Support Are Troops, indeed.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


My unit went from Pri 1 manning to 3.

Good luck to all in scrambling to pin on before the next promotion freeze!

e. also hope you get to sign those 25 year contracts before DC pensions become a thing!

Guest2553 fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jul 7, 2014

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Guest2553 posted:

My unit went from Pri 1 manning to 3.

Good luck to all in scrambling to pin on before the next promotion freeze!

e. also hope you get to sign those 25 year contracts before DC pensions become a thing!

I'm on a 20. I'm not going to be able to complete my restricted release period in that time after I get wings :pray: so look forward to them trying to railroad me into the lovely 25. Keep meaning to try and get a 5-year CE now to tack on, I've been told it's a thing you can do.

CumshotCommando
Dec 10, 2012

compressioncut posted:

I'm on a 20. I'm not going to be able to complete my restricted release period in that time after I get wings :pray: so look forward to them trying to railroad me into the lovely 25. Keep meaning to try and get a 5-year CE now to tack on, I've been told it's a thing you can do.

IPS. Suddenly not sure that having the military effectively own me is a good idea anymore... Fuuuuuuck....

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
Which of you guys caused this: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/navy-ship-ordered-back-to-canada-after-misconduct-by-sailors ?

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Long story short; between the Victoria-class rust buckets, the protecteur going to RAMMING SPEED and other issues, the navy is poo poo.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


I heard Halifax will start charging for parking now too because free parking in that location was dubbed a taxable benefit or some poo poo.

GO NAVY~!

e. maybe we can soon start charging sailors for those all inclusive cruises they take too?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Guest2553 posted:

I heard Halifax will start charging for parking now too because free parking in that location was dubbed a taxable benefit or some poo poo.

That's happening in Ottawa too and it kinda makes sense. The parking space has a fair market value that doesn't show up on your T4, other departments have paid parking, CRA wants their slice.

ub
Feb 9, 2003

no dont
Pillbug
If you rationalize paid parking as an effective pay cut it makes sense.

Ruse
Dec 16, 2005

Gentlemen, let's broaden our minds!
Navy is such a bad place to be right now. Seeing the lovely attitude of Chiefs on down in almost every hard sea trade upsets me. The "give a gently caress factor" is gone from many of them, especially when it comes to the problems of someone else. "Don't care, getting out in 2 years...", really? I have yet to meet more than one CPO2 that I could truthfully say "I want to be that kind of Chief".

Instead you have all these smart and dedicated junior guys getting their inspiration and motivation flagrantly dismissed or worse, mocked, that attrition levels are rising and they don't care. So we're left with idiots.

I think it was in here I read someone was at the admirals town hall, cited how the Royal Navy is putting aside X amount of money for retention and was there a plan to do the same for us? Only to be immediately jumped on by some chief saying "The RCN is a volunteer service, if you don't like it you can volunteer to leave." What the gently caress?

In 2008, you would never hear anyone sincerely ask "Are we getting any port visits this sail?".

:negative: /rant

ub
Feb 9, 2003

no dont
Pillbug
Things certainly aren't good right now, with cost-cutting affecting virtually every aspect of CF life. I haven't personally seen a massive shift in attitudes recently - though I've been ashore for over a year and rather isolated from the fleet for it. Bad attitudes are contagious though and I try to check those in my guys. Brand new OSs don't need their ears filled with someone's opinion about how they made a terrible choice to join when they did.

Ultimate Shrek Fan
May 2, 2005

by FactsAreUseless

ub posted:

Brand new OSs don't need their ears filled with someone's opinion about how they made a terrible choice to join when they did.

Well, they did...

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I would say the Army is in a pretty similar state. I know in the reserves, there was a time where new recruits were being given steel toe and wet weather boots as their only issue because of the supply issues with brown boots. That kind of thing is pretty toxic.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Yeah I can see things going back to pre-Afghanistan levels of shittiness pretty quick.

I waited for boots so long that I actually went to the surplus store and bought a used pair. Probably for the best, those fuckers were butter smooth.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
:canada: I had for some reason thought the military was fixed.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Baloogan posted:

:canada: I had for some reason thought the military was fixed.

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

Vadoc
Dec 31, 2007

Guess who made waffles...


Spayed and Neutered perhaps..

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Ruse posted:

Navy is such a bad place to be right now. Seeing the lovely attitude of Chiefs on down in almost every hard sea trade upsets me. The "give a gently caress factor" is gone from many of them, especially when it comes to the problems of someone else. "Don't care, getting out in 2 years...", really? I have yet to meet more than one CPO2 that I could truthfully say "I want to be that kind of Chief".

Instead you have all these smart and dedicated junior guys getting their inspiration and motivation flagrantly dismissed or worse, mocked, that attrition levels are rising and they don't care. So we're left with idiots.

I think it was in here I read someone was at the admirals town hall, cited how the Royal Navy is putting aside X amount of money for retention and was there a plan to do the same for us? Only to be immediately jumped on by some chief saying "The RCN is a volunteer service, if you don't like it you can volunteer to leave." What the gently caress?

In 2008, you would never hear anyone sincerely ask "Are we getting any port visits this sail?".

:negative: /rant

It has been the same since at least when I joined. The only reason I hung on was because there are some pretty sweet deals to be had like UTPNCM, but I did draft my release memo during a sail in 2007 (my last sail as it turns out). The general profile of a Chief is shocking dumbness combined with arrogance - Dunning-Kruger. But it's forces wide, I've seen it in the AF just as much.

I have met a few good C2s but I don't know if I can name any C1s I admire. The good C2s stall at that rank and often become quite awesome as a result. The C1 that bugs me most was, when he was a P1, banging one of his P2s, i.e. direct subordinate (both married to other people) regularly at sea, and everyone knew it. I get angry whenever I see him in the Lookout, and I presume he will be a Cox'n soon.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007

Simkin posted:

If you're talking INFMN, then last I checked there was still plenty of intake. If you're going the officer route, INF is pretty much restricted to ROTP. Pilot had a lot of space left as well. I can get you more firm numbers when I move into my new job on the 16th as an MCC (military career counsellor) at a recruiting centre.

In VANCOUVER. :hellyeah:

But yeah, as others have said, you may want to look more closely at the specialist occupations, as you'll end up with a trade/qualification at the end of your tenure, plus you're always doing poo poo, whereas the combat arms is kind of an easy target for cuts in time of peace.

Hey would you mind checking what's happening with the Bioscience Officer trade? I applied for that over a year ago and my local recruiting office is loving clueless.

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Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Sure, I'll see what I can find on monday. What program did you apply under? DEO, ROPT, or ..?

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Well, for FY14/15 there is ZERO intake for Bioscience. Meaning that it's closed and we're not hiring. Any application in the works will sit on a dusty shelf until somebody retires and a position opens up, or treasury dollars fall from the sky. I don't know how patient you are, and my info doesn't extend beyond this current fiscal year. I also don't have the numbers for FY13/14, and sometimes they carry over positions year to year if they're not filled, but seeing as it's closed...

The qualifications that would set you up for Bio would probably also allow you to apply successfully to a bunch of other officer trades if you're interested.

Mr.48
May 1, 2007

Simkin posted:

Well, for FY14/15 there is ZERO intake for Bioscience. Meaning that it's closed and we're not hiring. Any application in the works will sit on a dusty shelf until somebody retires and a position opens up, or treasury dollars fall from the sky. I don't know how patient you are, and my info doesn't extend beyond this current fiscal year. I also don't have the numbers for FY13/14, and sometimes they carry over positions year to year if they're not filled, but seeing as it's closed...

The qualifications that would set you up for Bio would probably also allow you to apply successfully to a bunch of other officer trades if you're interested.

Thanks, I just started a 3 year PhD program so I can afford to wait. I also had an application being processed for pilot for over a year, but it was taking so long that I started the aforementioned PhD because I didnt want to wait any longer. I was applying under DEO.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer
What is the current intake/availability like for pilot? I have some other irons in the fire right now for career ideas but being a pilot has always been something of a dream of mine, even though I now know how much bullshit they deal with and how little flight time they get these days. The only thing I sorta dread would be being posted to Cold Lake after having to live in that hellhole for 7 and a half years but meh

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Mederlock posted:

The only thing I sorta dread would be being posted to Cold Lake after having to live in that hellhole for 7 and a half years

Unless you go fighter you should be able to stiff arm YOD. I guess it's also possible to see it as a rotary wing dude but far less likely. I too fear Cold Lake.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Are wait times for CTs as long as the delay in recruiting? Peace time combat arms is killing me.

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Not sure on the CT front, as I don't think those are handled by the office.

As far as pilot goes, it's one of the few officer trades that is perennially open. It's always going to be pretty competitive, though, because we only have so many planes. I can check the actual numbers for you tomorrow, but I still would have no idea on the number of applications that are being processed across Canada.

I'm sure a PhD in an applicable field would give you a pretty strong boost to any application - most DEOs that I see (unless they're applying for some specialty trade like Dental or Medical) just have a BA/BSc like myself.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Guest2553 posted:

Unless you go fighter you should be able to stiff arm YOD. I guess it's also possible to see it as a rotary wing dude but far less likely. I too fear Cold Lake.

Yeah Cold Lake has that small SAR rotary wing squadron, plus I'd want to go fighter anyways. Anything but one of the dopey planes like an aurora or something really, but I'd still 100% prefer fighter. Working roads and grounds there and seeing how loving stupid our government has gotten with cutting funding at every single level they possibly can, on top of the general melancholic glum that most of the guys had, was pretty eye opening. OTOH I'd be reasonably close to the Rockies and some great fishing/waterways, so I think I could suffer through it alright.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


Fair enough but unless it's your life dream or you're related to a hornet pilot and know what you're getting into, fighter force probably isn't as cool as it seems on the surface.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

Guest2553 posted:

Fair enough but unless it's your life dream or you're related to a hornet pilot and know what you're getting into, fighter force probably isn't as cool as it seems on the surface.

QFT. Imagine getting all qualified on Hornets and then being told you're not needed right now, have fun instructing Harvards in MJ. Imagine actually getting on squadron and flying 80 hours a year: some guys at my helo OJT last year were getting about 40 a month. The lead-in phases for fighter are reportedly really lovely in their own right, job related bullshit-wise.

There are very few AF base postings that aren't frozen hellholes, so basically you need to come to peace with it. That said, Goose Bay is my nightmare.

Mederlock
Jun 23, 2012

You won't recognize Canada when I'm through with it
Grimey Drawer

Guest2553 posted:

Fair enough but unless it's your life dream or you're related to a hornet pilot and know what you're getting into, fighter force probably isn't as cool as it seems on the surface.

I know a couple hornet pilots that I've talked to a bunch about it and I know that if I did get in that there'd be loads of bullshit. On that note, which type of pilot would tend to get the most flight time(outside of heavy lift aircraft)?

Canuck-Errant
Oct 28, 2003

MOOD: BURNING - MUSIC: DISCO INFERNO BY THE TRAMMPS
Grimey Drawer

Mederlock posted:

On that note, which type of pilot would tend to get the most flight time(outside of heavy lift aircraft)?

Airline pilot.

Commander Jebus
Sep 9, 2001

You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought...

MA-Horus posted:

Long story short; between the Victoria-class rust buckets...

Hey we got way less rust the you'd think and its all surface corrosion anyway.

Simkin
May 18, 2007

"He says he's going to be number one!"
Paint is cheaper than welding, right?

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

Just ran into an entire company of Van Doos at Les Invalides in Paris

They're doing an anniversary tour thru London and Paris.

Tough gig boys.

compressioncut
Sep 3, 2003

Eat knuckle, Fritz!

MA-Horus posted:

Just ran into an entire company of Van Doos at Les Invalides in Paris

They're doing an anniversary tour thru London and Paris.

Tough gig boys.

I can almost guarantee (maybe like 85% confidence: -15% due to Frenchness) that they are not having any sort of fun. I did something similar almost 10 years ago (sigh) when things were better as far as being treated like grownups, and it kind of loving sucked because there was absolutely no free time and definitely no fun.

I've since come to the conclusion that if someone says "It will be a good go" you need to be very suspicious and "good go" can normally be translated to "bag drive." Port visits were the best because there were no expectations.

Guest2553
Aug 3, 2012


I did a battlefield tour like that about a decade ago and that poo poo was pretty cash. Hit up a bunch of landmarks, cemeteries, and battlefields over ten days in northern France. Days were scheduled pretty tight but the atmosphere was pretty chill (we even had a 'WineO' on the tour bus to pour out lovely boxed wine on the move :v:). Nights were ours so we could still be pretty stupid. The guy I roomed with literally threatened to kill me every morning I had to wake his hungover rear end up too :laffo:

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Ruse
Dec 16, 2005

Gentlemen, let's broaden our minds!
Does an Mi-17 count as a newer helicopter to replace the Sea King?

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