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The chances of having 2 Caryatid in the top 10 cards is about 1/8. That's not very good. Even if you're running 12 mana dorks (i.e. green devotion rather than monsters), the odds of getting three of them in your top 10 is still less than 1/3. And the real odds are lower than that, since that doesn't consider the odds of not getting the lands you need alongside the creatures. It just not a reliable strategy, and you're better off with cards that will similarly win you the game if you get that much mana, while also not being complete blanks if you draw them earlier. I'd much rather spend 7 mana to Monstrous a Stormbreath Dragon or Polukranos, rather than playing a Hornet Queen.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 16:54 |
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I plan on mainboarding 4 bile blight at SCG Dallas next weekend in anticipation of mono U and the mirror. Wrecking nightveil specter and early pack rats seems like a good idea. Sign in blood goes to the board, maybe, for control match-ups. Drown in sorrow in the board for mono green and aggro. Mono green kills mono black so hard right now, it's nuts.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 16:58 |
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Jabor posted:The chances of having 2 Caryatid in the top 10 cards is about 1/8. That's not very good. Even if you're running 12 mana dorks (i.e. green devotion rather than monsters), the odds of getting three of them in your top 10 is still less than 1/3. And the real odds are lower than that, since that doesn't consider the odds of not getting the lands you need alongside the creatures. Against MonoB I expect that the minute Polukranos or Stormbreath hits the board for it to be removed. At least with Queen you will be left with a few deathtouch flyers.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 16:58 |
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End of Life Guy posted:I plan on mainboarding 4 bile blight at SCG Dallas next weekend in anticipation of mono U and the mirror. Wrecking nightveil specter and early pack rats seems like a good idea. Sign in blood goes to the board, maybe, for control match-ups. Drown in sorrow in the board for mono green and aggro. If you're preboarding against the mirror, mainboard Sign in Blood.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 16:59 |
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mcmagic posted:If you're preboarding against the mirror, mainboard Sign in Blood. It's bad against monoU, aggro, r/g monsters, and mono green. Its only good against control and the mirror. Bile blight at least still handles Elspeth.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:05 |
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End of Life Guy posted:It's bad against monoU, aggro, r/g monsters, and mono green. Its only good against control and the mirror. Bile blight at least still handles Elspeth. If i was playing MonoB this weekend I would mainboard both. 4 Bile and probably 3 Sign.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:07 |
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I wonder how often the "BB: Shock to the face" aspect is going to come up. I suspect that at least the threat of it is going to get people to put the brakes on Underworld Connections a little earlier than they otherwise might.OssiansFolly posted:Against MonoB I expect that the minute Polukranos or Stormbreath hits the board for it to be removed. At least with Queen you will be left with a few deathtouch flyers. Your average mono-B deck has maybe 8 answers to your big fatties. And 4 of those they really want to use on Domri instead. Just jam must-answer threats until they run out of removal and then you win. Ultimately I think you're putting far too much emphasis on the relatively few situations in which Hornet Queen is better than its contemporaries, and not paying enough thought to the times where it's worse. (Especially if you were ever considering cutting your 4-mana 5/5 brick wall against creature decks in favour of something that takes 7 mana to get anywhere.)
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:15 |
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Jabor posted:I wonder how often the "BB: Shock to the face" aspect is going to come up. I suspect that at least the threat of it is going to get people to put the brakes on Underworld Connections a little earlier than they otherwise might. Which leads us to his other problem, of not having Domri.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:20 |
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mcmagic posted:Which leads us to his other problem, of not having Domri. I'm not dropping money this close to rotation on Domri...can't justify it.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:31 |
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OssiansFolly posted:I'm not dropping money this close to rotation on Domri...can't justify it. They are under 10 bucks and the best card in the deck. If i didn't have Domri, I would run MonoGreen instead.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:32 |
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mcmagic posted:If i was playing MonoB this weekend I would mainboard both. 4 Bile and probably 3 Sign. I can see an argument for it, but my 2-slot is pretty full as it is with most monoB decks. 4 Pack rat, 3 devour flesh, 4 bile blight, 3 doom blade (board), 2 pharika's cure (board), 2 ultimate price (board).
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:37 |
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End of Life Guy posted:I can see an argument for it, but my 2-slot is pretty full as it is with most monoB decks. 4 Pack rat, 3 devour flesh, 4 bile blight, 3 doom blade (board), 2 pharika's cure (board), 2 ultimate price (board). I don't think Devour flesh is that good now, you don't see too many blood barons since Esper Control stooped winning. Even the winning esper lists aren't playing it now.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 17:42 |
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mcmagic posted:They are under 10 bucks and the best card in the deck. If i didn't have Domri, I would run MonoGreen instead. And have to get Nissa instead.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:06 |
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AlternateNu posted:And have to get Nissa instead. Look at his list. He's got Nissa.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:07 |
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mcmagic posted:Look at his list. He's got Nissa. ... Yeah. You should be running Mono-G instead. (Why are you running Nissa in Jund? )
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:11 |
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AlternateNu posted:... Planning for rotation and I don't have Domri. I have 3 Nissa at home already... If I thought I had the cards for MonoG I'd probably run it, but I have a feeling I am still missing a few key components. Get me a list and I can see if I am sitting on the cards to run it. Edit: I just Googled what I assume is a competitive deck...I don't have any Garruk or Shrine to Nyx. So I guess either way I'd be spending money... OssiansFolly fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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OssiansFolly posted:Planning for rotation and I don't have Domri. I have 3 Nissa at home already... Yeah. Garruk and Chord of Calling are kind of important. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSDY_EQx_Wo
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:23 |
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AlternateNu posted:Yeah. Garruk and Chord of Calling are kind of important. Then I guess since I am lacking most Green components it would be best for me to just buy the Domri and go Jund. It is still cheaper to go that route than to buy into MonoG.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:25 |
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OssiansFolly posted:Then I guess since I am lacking most Green components it would be best for me to just buy the Domri and go Jund. It is still cheaper to go that route than to buy into MonoG. Well. I've got 2 Nykthos for trade if you want'em.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:26 |
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OssiansFolly posted:Planning for rotation and I don't have Domri. I have 3 Nissa at home already... Nykthos will be played for another year+ so that might be a better investment than Domri's if you're worried about rotation.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:35 |
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mcmagic posted:Nykthos will be played for another year+ so that might be a better investment than Domri's if you're worried about rotation. Well yea, but in MonoG I'd be looking at Nykthos and Chord of Calling and Garruk for now...in the Jund all I am missing right now is Domri. And after rotation I guess I just put Domri in my Prossh deck? AlternateNu posted:Well. I've got 2 Nykthos for trade if you want'em. I sent you a PM so we don't muck up the forum with trade stuff.
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# ? Jul 22, 2014 18:43 |
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Hey there goons, I don't post here often. Long story short, I planned on competing locally (FNMs, Grand Prixs) in Standard with a Constellation deck. Then Back to Nature happened. So now I'm scrambling for an alternative that I can really latch on to. So far I'm thinking Garruk/Planeswalker Jund, or maybe more cheaply, Mono-Red Burn with Scuttling Doom Engine. Here's a brew I have so far: quote:Mono-Red “Scuttling Burn Engine” Tell me what's bad about this. EDIT: Obviously this is for after the rotation. I'll put in anything good from Khans of Tarkir. Frgrbrgr fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Frgrbrgr posted:Hey there goons, I don't post here often. I really don't think Back to Nature is going to be a death knell for Constellation decks. All Green decks are running Courser. You draw enough cards off of Blossoms that you aren't too worried about card disadvantage. No one is going to main deck it. And you can play around it if you're running against another non-constellation green decks. All it really means is you have to be careful about making GBS threads a million cards onto the field. Or maybe switch to G/B/W for indestructibility effects.
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 00:29 |
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So after obtaining garruks and just realizing how amazing it is, I made this list which will be for gameday- BG Devotion- 4 Courser of Kruphix 4 Voyaging Satyr 4 Elvish Mystic 4 Burning Tree Emissary 2 Genesis Hydra 4 Polukranos, World Eater 1 Hornet Queen 1 Hornet Nest 1 Nylea, God of the Hunt 4 Abrupt Decay 3 Chord of Calling 1 Garruk, Apex Predator 3 Nissa, Worldwaker 4 Temple of Malady 4 Llanowar Wastes 4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx 4 Overgrown Tomb 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 7 Forest Sideboard- 3 Putrefy 4 Golgari Charm 1 Reclamation Sage 1 Phytotitan 1 Garruk, Apex Predator 1 Phyrexian Revoker I chose 1 garruk in the main and 1 in the side because I thought he would be better in match ups with superfriends and having 2 in hand at once can be quite difficult. Phytotitan is for the mono black match up, Golgari Charm are very useful in a variety of situations, but they are mainly for control match ups, same for revoker. Putrefy is in there because I am quite scared of the possibility of the fast new artifact decks that will be popping up. I have also seriously contemplated the possibility of a more midrange list with deathrite shamans, evolving wilds and reaper of the wilds instead of the more devotion route. I think deathrite shaman is a very versatile card and is definitely worth considering now that wilds has been printed in standard. Samael fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jul 23, 2014 |
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If you're running Nissa, why not Overgrown Tomb over Wastes? Tomb is a forest, so you could get more use out of her untap ability.
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 05:31 |
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Night Danger Moose posted:If you're running Nissa, why not Overgrown Tomb over Wastes? Tomb is a forest, so you could get more use out of her untap ability. Oh yeah, I have been forgetting shocks recently, they should be a definite inclusion, fixed.
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 05:34 |
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Deck: RW SS Version 2 //Lands 2 Arid Mesa 2 Cavern of Souls 2 Clifftop Retreat 2 Marsh Flats 1 Mountain 4 Plains 4 Sacred Foundry 1 Scalding Tarn 3 Tectonic Edge //Spells 2 Dismember 4 Genesis Chamber 3 Lightning Bolt 2 Path to Exile //Creatures 3 Ajani's Pridemate 4 Champion of the Parish 1 Legion Loyalist 3 Mentor of the Meek 4 Norin the Wary 2 Purphoros, God of the Forge 3 Ranger of Eos 4 Soul Warden 4 Soul's Attendant //Sideboard 1 Dismember 2 Path to Exile 4 Wear // Tear 2 Suppression Field 2 Stony Silence 2 Rest in Peace 2 Blood Moon Display deck statistics Thoughts on this RW Norin Soul Sisters deck? I'm still trying to find a good deck to play that can do well, but doesn't necessarily have to be "tier 1". I like the concept of the sisters deck, and anyway to splash red is good by me. Any cards I need to take out or add that I dont have? Would Auriok Champion be any good?
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 18:37 |
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I added an ascendant as a ranger target to my deck.
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# ? Jul 23, 2014 20:52 |
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So, I've slapped a standard deck together after a long absence from the standard environment for the upcoming Games day. It's literally only for the 3 months till RTR/M14 get the boot, but I'd like a bit of critique/advice, as I rarely play anything but EDH. One thing I am considering is to cut the Electomancers and go mono red. 4 Burning tree emissary 3 Goblin Electomancer 4 Satyr Firedancer 4 Young Pyromancer 4 Guttersnipe 4 Ornithopter 4 Stoke the flames 4 Lightning strike 4 Magma jet 2 Chandra Pyromaster Land 4 Steam Vents 15 mountain 4 island
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 17:40 |
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Xaerael posted:So, I've slapped a standard deck together after a long absence from the standard environment for the upcoming Games day. It's literally only for the 3 months till RTR/M14 get the boot, but I'd like a bit of critique/advice, as I rarely play anything but EDH. One thing I am considering is to cut the Electomancers and go mono red. I would say you're a little in between the pyromancer deck and red deck wins. I agree with going MonoR and all aggro as you're playing some bad value here like the electromancers and ornithopter. I think you're better off with Legion Loyalist and Firedrinker Satyr. You definitely don't want Chandra in there either since you should be happier playing 2 2drops in 1 turn than a Chandra.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 17:50 |
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Xaerael posted:So, I've slapped a standard deck together after a long absence from the standard environment for the upcoming Games day. It's literally only for the 3 months till RTR/M14 get the boot, but I'd like a bit of critique/advice, as I rarely play anything but EDH. One thing I am considering is to cut the Electomancers and go mono red. Searing Blood is godlike with Satyr Firedancer big omission, and if you're going to splash one color, splash white for Warchanter's Helix, with Shock Troops, Wear/Tear, and Chained to the Rocks in the side. If you want an Izzet deck, you can try Spellheart Chimera counter burn or the new artifact synergies from M15, but both are probably weaker than straight burn to the face.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 18:46 |
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hoobajoo posted:Searing Blood is godlike with Satyr Firedancer big omission, and if you're going to splash one color, splash white for Warchanter's Helix, with Shock Troops, Wear/Tear, and Chained to the Rocks in the side. If you want an Izzet deck, you can try Spellheart Chimera counter burn or the new artifact synergies from M15, but both are probably weaker than straight burn to the face. Boros Charm is a thing for burn too
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 19:06 |
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Cauldron Moose posted:Boros Charm is a thing for burn too Oh yeah, Boros Charm. I knew I was forgetting one.
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 19:15 |
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Im trying to get my RDW list sorted out for the time being. Gonna lose a few pieces when m14/RTR rotate out, but it shouldn't be too hard to fill those spots when khans comes out. # [Red Deck Wins](http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-07-14-MbM-red-deck-wins/) by [jhorphear](http://tappedout.net/users/jhorphear/) Mainboard (60) # Creature (31) * 4 [Ash Zealot](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/ash-zealot/) * 4 [Borderland Marauder](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/borderland-marauder/) * 4 [Burning-Tree Emissary](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/burning-tree-emissary/) * 4 [Firedrinker Satyr](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/firedrinker-satyr/) * 3 [Goblin Rabblemaster](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/goblin-rabblemaster/) * 4 [Gore-House Chainwalker](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/gore-house-chainwalker/) * 4 [Legion Loyalist](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/legion-loyalist/) * 4 [Rakdos Cackler](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/rakdos-cackler/) # Instant (6) * 4 [Lightning Strike](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/lightning-strike/) * 2 [Stoke the Flames](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/stoke-the-flames/) # Enchantment (4) * 4 [Madcap Skills](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/madcap-skills/)# Land (19) * 19 [Mountain](http://tappedout.net/mtg-card/mountain/)
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# ? Jul 24, 2014 22:29 |
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jhorphear posted:Im trying to get my RDW list sorted out for the time being. Needs Mutavault? That's another goblin to pump the Rabblemaster.
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# ? Jul 25, 2014 02:45 |
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RDW doesn't like mutavault because it runs so few lands and has a lot of double red casting costs. Boss sligh doesnt run any and I'm pretty sure red devotion didnt either when it was more popular.
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# ? Jul 25, 2014 03:42 |
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Fingers McLongDong posted:RDW doesn't like mutavault because it runs so few lands and has a lot of double red casting costs. That list only had 1 double red in Ash Zealot because Stoke the Flames has convoke. It could totally get away with 1-2 mutavaults. e: I forgot BTE. Maybe mutavault as a 1 of. BTE is important to cast.
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# ? Jul 25, 2014 04:36 |
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Reposting myself since I only got one bite.Heavy Lobster posted:Anyone wanna help me fiddle with my U/W aggro deck? Take a look here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mystic-knights-uw-aura-aggro/ Babylon Astronaut posted:If you post a tradelist in the trade thread I can give you good value on a couple Temple of Enlightenments. Honestly, I have no idea what I'd trade from my collection to begin with, let alone how I'd go about shipping it. I'm pretty new to Magic communities that aren't face-to-face. vv
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# ? Jul 25, 2014 15:13 |
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Heavy Lobster posted:Reposting myself since I only got one bite. Yea I think your land situation is the only thing I'd change. Adding a few Temples is the way to go so you have more control over your draws. As far as trading and shipping...its not hard. TBH all you have to do is put the cards in a hard sleeve and ship via mail. I personally tape the hard sleeve to a manilla folder I cut to fit the envelope, but you can cut up a pasta box or a cereal box or anything that is some cardboard to at some rigidity. Postage is only a couple bucks. If you are shipping more than 4 cards you are likely going to just go down to the post office and buy a bubble shipping envelope and ship it in hard sleeves from there. Write do not bend on it and ship it out for still like $3 or so.
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Hey all. I feel like I'm throwing too much crap into this deck and can't decide if I want to run Mono-Green devotion/Mono Black Devotion. Is there a way to fix this where I can get an equal mix? Or should I just focus on one or the other? Deck: Untitled Deck //Land 14 Forest 4 Llanowar Wastes 4 Temple of Malady 1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth //Creatures 4 Sylvan Caryatid 4 Pack Rat 3 Courser of Kruphix 3 Polukranos, World Eater 2 Boon Satyr 2 Garruk, Caller of Beasts 2 Desecration Demon 2 Gray Merchant of Asphodel 1 Garruk, Apex Predator 1 Nissa, Worldwaker //Other 4 Thoughtseize 3 Abrupt Decay 2 Chord of Calling 2 Underworld Connections 2 Hero's Downfall Display deck statistics Any help would be appreciated. edit: lookin' this over I'm not sure what BTE is doing in the deck, since I don't run Nykthos anymore. I need to work on that. // bah, having a hard time not making small changes. I think I'm fine with this. YoshiStomper fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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