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On a lighter note re: Iraq, back then the school tried to get the fifth grade class to sing that drat Lee Greenwood song. If I remember right it was an utter failure.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:39
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Dreylad posted:this i claim this is ideology 
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Jul 23, 2014 14:40
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The only "Zizek" I've ever read is the dog suit elevator parody because I find him irritating.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:41
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I always thought that most of us were arguing for socialism and equal rights for everyone in some sort of system that would prevent oppression from or towards any particular group. Though yeah, some folks seem way too eager to lament their "whiteness".
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Jul 23, 2014 14:41
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kelvron posted:BFC Thread? Sorry, lazyposting. The BFC (business finance career) subforum has a thread on housebuying and everyone always tells you not to buy with a pool. Probably the bad with money thread would too.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:42
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Talmonis posted:I always thought that most of us were arguing for socialism and equal rights for everyone in some sort of system that would prevent oppression from or towards any particular group. Though yeah, some folks seem way too eager to lament their "whiteness". That's because anyone who looks back on the history of white people should only feel shame and remorse. We can say, sure if the dice had rolled different and it had been Africa or South Asia that had risen as the dominant colonial power in world history then all the abuses and horrors white people did would've been done by them, but the fact is, they didn't and we did those things.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:44
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zoux posted:That's because anyone who looks back on the history of white people should only feel shame and remorse. We can say, sure if the dice had rolled different and it had been Africa or South Asia that had risen as the dominant colonial power in world history then all the abuses and horrors white people did would've been done by them, but the fact is, they didn't and we did those things. "We" didn't do anything man. Likely it wasn't even your anscestors that did any of it, unless you're a trust fund baby. The only problem I see is that we benefit from what they did, and live among people who want to keep it that way. But instead of gently caress You Got Mine, we're smart enough to realize that it was all luck. So it's more Got Mine, let's Get Yours.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:49
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My name is Hernando Cortez XXXVIII
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Jul 23, 2014 14:50
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zoux posted:My name is Hernando Cortez XXXVIII Then you're just straight hosed man.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:51
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zoux posted:this is ideology *sniffs* already i am eating from the trash can all the time
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Jul 23, 2014 14:52
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silvergoose posted:Sorry, lazyposting. The BFC (business finance career) subforum has a thread on housebuying and everyone always tells you not to buy with a pool. Probably the bad with money thread would too. I miss the old title: DO NEVER BUY.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:53
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Talmonis posted:"We" didn't do anything man. Likely it wasn't even your anscestors that did any of it, unless you're a trust fund baby. The only problem I see is that we benefit from what they did, and live among people who want to keep it that way. But instead of gently caress You Got Mine, we're smart enough to realize that it was all luck. So it's more Got Mine, let's Get Yours. I live in the South and, tracing my father's line back, I found out his greats and great-greats were farmers, so my ancestors were probably at least implicit in slavery if not slave owners themselves 
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Jul 23, 2014 14:53
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Talmonis posted:"We" didn't do anything man. Likely it wasn't even your anscestors that did any of it, unless you're a trust fund baby. The only problem I see is that we benefit from what they did, and live among people who want to keep it that way. But instead of gently caress You Got Mine, we're smart enough to realize that it was all luck. So it's more Got Mine, let's Get Yours.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:55
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Weren't most southern farmers non-slave owners, or at least if they owned a slave it was like one or two.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:55
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euphronius posted:Weren't most southern farmers non-slave owners, or at least if they owned a slave it was like one or two. By far most Southerners didn't own slaves but it was kind of the aspirational goal for achieving success. Also they were fer slavery they weren't agin' it because of the South's long tradition of getting poor people to oppose their own interests. Much like this recent ACA ruling came from a suit brought by a WV man who made $20k a year and had his annual healthcare costs reduced to $21 annually through federal healthcare subsidies smfh.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:58
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euphronius posted:Weren't most southern farmers non-slave owners, or at least if they owned a slave it was like one or two. One slave is one too many.
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Jul 23, 2014 14:58
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Heeeeey no one is making normative arguments here man this is a norm free Zone
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Jul 23, 2014 15:00
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R. Mute posted:hmm, past tense, curious choice He was talking about colonialism. I've certainly not forcibly colonized an indigenous people recently. Modern white men and women are guilty for their own actions and words, and not the poo poo they were born with. Don't feel guilty that the police don't harrass you as much as your black and hispanic friends, get pissed that they harrass your black and hispanic friends.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:00
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razorrozar posted:One slave is one too many. I know some kinksters who would disagree.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:01
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I could talk about neo-liberalism if you want me to talk about current oppressive political dynamics that you are actively participating in 
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Jul 23, 2014 15:02
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:I miss the old title: DO NEVER BUY. It's still the usual advice! With the addendum, DO NEVER BUY A CONDO.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:03
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zoux posted:I could talk about neo-liberalism if you want me to talk about current oppressive political dynamics that you are actively participating in We were discussing "White people", and not "Americans". That's a different closet full of skeletons.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:03
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White people worldwide are participating in globalism my friend.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:04
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Talmonis posted:He was talking about colonialism. I've certainly not forcibly colonized an indigenous people recently. Modern white men and women are guilty for their own actions and words, and not the poo poo they were born with. Don't feel guilty that the police don't harrass you as much as your black and hispanic friends, get pissed that they harrass your black and hispanic friends.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:04
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zoux posted:White people worldwide are participating in globalism my friend. So are black, asian and every other race in between.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:04
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lol white people are definitely on one side of that scale and not white people are on the other ecce China.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:07
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the modern global economic system is built on exploitation of the developing world, but it's wrong to use racial terms to describe it.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:08
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silvergoose posted:It's still the usual advice! With the addendum, DO NEVER BUY A CONDO. lol, I think things will work out with my Condo but I admit the risk is definitely higher with condos in general. razorrozar posted:I live in the South and, tracing my father's line back, I found out his greats and great-greats were farmers, so my ancestors were probably at least implicit in slavery if not slave owners themselves I'm not sure if my family owned slaves but my great grandparents definitely used blacks and poor whites I suppose as cheap labor. We even had an unofficial (it took me a long time to realize this) bastard table at the family reunion.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:09
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:bastard table at the family reunion. Is this just what it sounds like?
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Jul 23, 2014 15:09
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R. Mute posted:no, i mean the other point you were making - we don't just benefit from exploitation in the past, we're benefiting from modern day exploitation as well. True, but I'd argue that it mostly stems from the original issues of colonialism, slavery and capitalism. That and as left-oriented people, we're trying to do something about it. There's really no point in self flagellation over your birth circumstances. Unless it's just about feeling better about yourself, in which case, by all means proceed. I'm sure we all have plenty to feel guilty about that we've done on our own (in my case, micro-aggressions that I try to be more aware of now), then to worry about taking on the burdens of our fathers.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:12
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Talmonis posted:True, but I'd argue that it mostly stems from the original issues of colonialism, slavery and capitalism. That and as left-oriented people, we're trying to do something about it. There's really no point in self flagellation over your birth circumstances. Unless it's just about feeling better about yourself, in which case, by all means proceed. I'm sure we all have plenty to feel guilty about that we've done on our own (in my case, micro-aggressions that I try to be more aware of now), then to worry about taking on the burdens of our fathers. 
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Jul 23, 2014 15:13
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What is a micro aggression. Like tail-gating someone on your way to work? Or like invading a Caribbean island nation.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:16
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rscott posted:do you even foucault?
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Jul 23, 2014 15:17
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So if you woke up tomorrow with the exact powers of Superman what would you do to improve the world as you think it should be improved?
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Jul 23, 2014 15:21
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euphronius posted:What is a micro aggression. Like tail-gating someone on your way to work? Or like invading a Caribbean island nation. "You speak so well (for a black person)!" Basically when honkies mean well but trip over their own subtle racism/stereotypes in their heads.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:22
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I will be 23 in 3 weeks. I just brushed my hair and realized I have a bunch of grays. Is it legal to have gray hair this young?
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Jul 23, 2014 15:22
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euphronius posted:What is a micro aggression. Like tail-gating someone on your way to work? Or like invading a Caribbean island nation. Things you do unconsciously that make someone else's day a little bit more lovely. Like locking your doors when you see a young black guy walking by, or being surprised at someone's appearance when you do an interview with them, not realizing that they were black/hispanic/etc. beforehand. People pick up on that stuff, and from what I've been told, it adds up to a lot of stress and feeling like poo poo for the folks who experience it.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:25
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razorrozar posted:I will be 23 in 3 weeks. I just brushed my hair and realized I have a bunch of grays.
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Jul 23, 2014 15:26
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zoux posted:So if you woke up tomorrow with the exact powers of Superman what would you do to improve the world as you think it should be improved? Throw various world leaders into low earth orbit, repeat that process with military generals. Make a global warning to be excellent to each other, or I'd come for them too.
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