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MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Berke Negri posted:

There's got to be some crazy limitations to the engine because New Romulus just seems like screaming "big open ground MMO zone" where you've got crazy unknown wildlife to be tamed, tholians, tal shiar, who knows what the gently caress else, Dewan ruins to explore, etc. and instead they went with a very small map instead of multiple small ones to putt around in and only two or maybe even three? Are combat oriented.

How does Neverwinter Online handle this sort of thing? Isn't that game meant to be "big open ground MMO zone" style play? And it's basically the same engine.

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Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


From the brief period I tried Neverwinter its graphics look leagues better except for the hideous horse faces.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Yeah, it's really kind of a shame. Graphically, NWO is a big step up from STO, especially in lighting and textures. It's just that the character design is absolutely hideous (not even in the "kind of an acquired taste" way that STO/ChampO) and the gameplay is a massive step back towards kMMO-style bullshit. :shrug:

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Never winter actually went full in on the faux action game play while cryptic in its infinite wisdom went halfway so while a third person shooter angle is more interesting outside of a handful of weapons you need to do rpg mode or you are crippling yourself.

DatonKallandor
Aug 21, 2009

"I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."

Asimo posted:

Yeah, it's really kind of a shame. Graphically, NWO is a big step up from STO, especially in lighting and textures. It's just that the character design is absolutely hideous (not even in the "kind of an acquired taste" way that STO/ChampO) and the gameplay is a massive step back towards kMMO-style bullshit. :shrug:

The gameplay is terrible except for the combat, which is hands down the best action combat in an MMO to date. I wish STO's ground combat was half as good.

TescoBag
Dec 2, 2009

Oh god, not again.

When I asked which side I should join earlier I was more wondering which side is more active when playing with goons.

I am guessing if I joined klingon I wouldn't be able to fly federation ships?

Aleth
Aug 2, 2008

Pillbug
As a Rom at max rank you can only fly Rom ships anyway so that doesn't matter, it's only the lower tier fed/kdf ships you can fly which you won't be doing. In terms of activeness most PvE content is run with mixed teams so again, doesn't matter.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Aleth posted:

In terms of activeness most PvE content is run with mixed teams so again, doesn't matter.

Even PvP is now. It's pretty irrelevant which faction you're in.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


TescoBag posted:

When I asked which side I should join earlier I was more wondering which side is more active when playing with goons.

I am guessing if I joined klingon I wouldn't be able to fly federation ships?
For the record, Romulans only fly Warbirds in the endgame (well, and cross-faction ships like event and lockbox rewards). You only get access to pre-endgame fed/klank ships, and that's mostly to pad out the selection and get access to the c-store consoles.

Also, should probably go Klingon. Klankroms have all the upsides of klingons (a bunch of dilithium-granting dailies, way better duty officer selections, better fleet gear options, etc) and almost none of the downsides (mostly just longer fleet alert queues and higher duty officer costs on the exchange). The klankrom uniforms are way better than the fedrom equivalents too.

TescoBag
Dec 2, 2009

Oh god, not again.

Asimo posted:

For the record, Romulans only fly Warbirds in the endgame (well, and cross-faction ships like event and lockbox rewards). You only get access to pre-endgame fed/klank ships, and that's mostly to pad out the selection and get access to the c-store consoles.

Also, should probably go Klingon. Klankroms have all the upsides of klingons (a bunch of dilithium-granting dailies, way better duty officer selections, better fleet gear options, etc) and almost none of the downsides (mostly just longer fleet alert queues and higher duty officer costs on the exchange). The klankrom uniforms are way better than the fedrom equivalents too.

Is there anywhere I can view the uniforms?

I actually already have a level 34 fed but I haven't played for so long I might as well be a complete newbie.

What cloaked ships do I have available as a normal fed?

Emerald Rogue
Mar 29, 2013

TescoBag posted:


What cloaked ships do I have available as a normal fed?

The only ones I know of are the Galaxy-X Dreadnought and the Tactical Escort Retrofit. The Avenger can use a cloak but doesn't come with one. All these ships need to be bought with Zen, by the way.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Yeah, Feds don't really... do the cloaking thing.

TescoBag posted:

I actually already have a level 34 fed but I haven't played for so long I might as well be a complete newbie.
Not a bad idea to just roll a new char, really. You can go back to the older character once you're in the swing again; leveling's pretty quick and easy these days.

And not sure if the uniforms are up anywhere, but I'm sure someone'll toss screenshots.

vvvvv Yeah, the Fed dyson destroyer is equally crippled, it's kind of hilarious.

Asimo fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Jul 23, 2014

Morglon
Jan 13, 2010

Safe and sound, detached from reality.
Just like your posting.

Asimo posted:

Yeah, Feds don't really... do the cloaking thing.

They should though, just dropping the cloak on the veteran ship without getting anything in return just makes it plain worse. Also it's insanely ugly.

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


I have a feeling CBS would refuse to allow that because cloaking is a Bad Guy technology in Star Trek and thus only bad people need to cloak, which is dumb, but lots of things in Star Trek are dumb.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Yeah I'm pretty sure 'no cloaking except on canon cloaking Fed ships and okay the new semi-evil Vengeance-rip battlecruiser' is a CBS mandate. They should create some minor Fed gimmick instead.

TescoBag
Dec 2, 2009

Oh god, not again.

I just noticed that they have no battle cloak either. Fun!

I'm probably going to go klink with my romualt. Still feels dirty though!

Can you still send stuff between characters if they are in different factions?

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Sure. You need an account bank to transfer Sponsorship Tokens between characters, though. And probably the new Bind To Account items.

TescoBag
Dec 2, 2009

Oh god, not again.

MikeJF posted:

Sure. You need an account bank to transfer Sponsorship Tokens between characters, though. And probably the new Bind To Account items.

Is this something I'm going to have to pay for?

Morglon
Jan 13, 2010

Safe and sound, detached from reality.
Just like your posting.

TescoBag posted:

Is this something I'm going to have to pay for?

You get to keep it if you've ever been subscribed so I recommend doing that for a month while leveling for a bunch of goodies.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Yeah. Ish.

Keep in mind, you can pay for anything in STO by earning Dilithium in-game and converting it to Zen, the real money currency. It's actually at a fairly reasonable rate.

That said, for the account bank (and a few other bonuses) if you like the game the best thing to do you would be to subscribe for a single month. Once the month is up, you get to keep the account bank and a bunch of other subscription bonuses.

TescoBag
Dec 2, 2009

Oh god, not again.

I did play when it was subscription based before so I may have that already?

I'll have to check when I get home.

CrushedWill
Sep 27, 2012

Stand it like a man... and give some back
Anybody know if the Ghosts of the Jem'Hadar assignment chain is still available? I've been looking for a week for the first assignment. I'm also assuming it would appear in Cardassian space?

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Some missions only spawn in specific sectors, and if I recall that one specifically starts from the exploration zones off Cardie space, not cardie space itself. It actually goes around a bit; I think the second step spawns on the DS9 map, and one or two of the last missions are in exploration sectors again. Be sure to double check the wiki anyway.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
I just realized I don't think I've ever done the Deferi Zone. Am I missing anything?

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

Burning_Monk posted:

I just realized I don't think I've ever done the Deferi Zone. Am I missing anything?

Running the 4 hards is a super easy 300+ fleet marks in like 15 minutes or less. I used to do that poo poo twice daily but now that the goon fleets are all finished you can pretty much safely ignore it.

the Pixies fukken SUCKED
Jul 16, 2003

Figure 2 in a series of 3

Lagomorphic posted:

Running the 4 hards is a super easy 300+ fleet marks in like 15 minutes or less. I used to do that poo poo twice daily but now that the goon fleets are all finished you can pretty much safely ignore it.

It's good if you want to accumulate fleet marks to convert to credits, but most of the time to do that you'll have to dump them into either someone's vanity fleet or a pubbie fleet as a donation. There are other (somehwhat) better ways to get fleet credits that don't involve that, but they're a bit more labor intensive.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




BEGIN THE DILVALANCHE

Normally I'd assume that Zen prices were going to spike after this weekend, but given that they're at 154 already I'm wondering if they've pre-spiked in anticipation.

Aleth
Aug 2, 2008

Pillbug
There was an increased demand from the crazy people maxing R&D.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Wouldn't that drive Zen prices down as they converted from Zen to Dil for project completion payments?

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jul 24, 2014

Servicio en Espanol
Feb 5, 2009
Zen prices were at getting to 160 earlier this week so 154 is actually looking quite reasonable.

the Pixies fukken SUCKED
Jul 16, 2003

Figure 2 in a series of 3
Here's where I spend hours on end converting 25,000 marks to dil, 50 at a time. Then add in the doff projects for my contraband, and prisoners, and completing a few T5 reputations, and then finally voth implants/iso injections/borg thingies.

Technical Analysis
Nov 21, 2007

I got 99 problems but the British ain't one.
Better get to work, you got till Monday.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

I'm Federation and just dinged Rear Admiral Lower Half yesterday. Crafting and Duty Officers and Assignments and all that jazz makes little to some sense to me, but I'm wondering if I should even worry myself with any of it right now?

Aleth
Aug 2, 2008

Pillbug
Duty officer stuff yes, crafting no. Well, run the basic 20h research projects I guess but don't actually worry about trying to make anything.

GoatSeeGuy
Dec 26, 2003

What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?


Servicio en Espanol posted:

Zen prices were at getting to 160 earlier this week so 154 is actually looking quite reasonable.

They spiked with the key sale but have been around 154 for a while now. Doesn't look like a lot of people are looking for Dil to craft with.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

AndyElusive posted:

I'm Federation and just dinged Rear Admiral Lower Half yesterday. Crafting and Duty Officers and Assignments and all that jazz makes little to some sense to me, but I'm wondering if I should even worry myself with any of it right now?

As Aleth said, just worry about Duty Officers, and get your rear end to 50 asap! I believe at Rear Admiral you can run some normal STFs. Which might not be bad to get some XP and learn the ropes before you do the Elite versions at 50.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Will do.

There's so much stuff in this game and I haven't played an MMO since UO and then Lineage 2 after that. I get lost in minutiae pretty quick so it's good to know what to focus my poo poo on.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
Also, if you can, focus on getting every Diplomacy mission avaiable (except for Purchase Turret missions or missions that require contraband). Diplomacy is by far the best Commendation to get fully levelled, the rest give little benefit and usually just a title and a handful of Doffs. But make sure you fill up your slots with duty missions every chance you can since they give XP and will help you level

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

Certain doff jobs that are part of chains can give ridiculous amounts of xp on a crit. First couple of missions of the Caitian chain award like 5k base skill points, for example.

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Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

Burning_Monk posted:

Also, if you can, focus on getting every Diplomacy mission avaiable (except for Purchase Turret missions or missions that require contraband). Diplomacy is by far the best Commendation to get fully levelled, the rest give little benefit and usually just a title and a handful of Doffs. But make sure you fill up your slots with duty missions every chance you can since they give XP and will help you level

I've just realised I'm lacking Marauding on my Klankrom. How quickly can I max it out? I want a Fed Boff.

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