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I'm rewatching "The Weight", which I've always thought was a really good episode, but I think I've found the most pointless thread in the entire show: the weird run-ins between Meadow and whatshisname, Peter Bogdanovich's character's daughter, then Tony and Peter Bogdanovich in the Columbia parking garage and then a coversation between him and his daughter about how she once kissed Melfi's son before she was gay. Anyone want to make a case for some thematic relevance there in an episode (among the longest of the series) otherwise entirely devoted to Ginny Sack's fat rear end?
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I'm meadow singing no scrubs.
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Jul 23, 2014 08:31
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What's the matter, Joey? You got a fuckin' eye problem? You look like Stevie Wonder with your eyes rolling around.
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Jul 23, 2014 12:37
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Janice may be the least likable character in TV.
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Jul 25, 2014 09:02
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Eifert Posting posted:Janice may be the least likable character in TV. Hands down. I can't think of a single redeeming quality.
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Jul 25, 2014 13:32
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Free spirit Janice! Rebel without a cause! While I sit here mired in her bullshit, tryin to be a good son, while you're off droppin acid and blowin roadies! Roadies!? Oh! You don't wanna know!
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Jul 25, 2014 13:52
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I don't know, I kinda feel bad about Janice. It's something about getting old and being an aimless fuckup. 
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Jul 25, 2014 13:52
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Solice Kirsk posted:Hands down. I can't think of a single redeeming quality. I agree and it is sad when youre the least likable character in a cast of sociopathic, short-tempered gangsters who kill on a whim and enjoy brutality. I liked Ritchie Apriel more than her somehow. It's kinda fitting that she kills him. Two of the more awful characters go at it and she is left standing.
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Jul 25, 2014 14:25
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thathonkey posted:I agree and it is sad when youre the least likable character in a cast of sociopathic, short-tempered gangsters who kill on a whim and enjoy brutality. I liked Ritchie Apriel more than her somehow. It's kinda fitting that she kills him. Two of the more awful characters go at it and she is left standing. I think she's so hateable because its obvious that she's every bit as sociopathic and cruel as any of the gangsters, but for various reasons never had the chance at any real power in her life. Its very obvious that she would be a horrible boss(in any everyday job, not even the mob), and if she were a man and in the mafia she'd be the scourge of New Jersey.
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Jul 25, 2014 14:32
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Man, I really wanna rewatch this entire show again, but it seems wise to wait until the complete blu-ray set comes out but also ugh I wannaaaa. And I don't hate Janice. I mean, she had the same upbringing as Tony. Nobody gets out of that without some defects.
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Jul 25, 2014 14:44
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Bown posted:And I don't hate Janice. I mean, she had the same upbringing as Tony. Nobody gets out of that without some defects. This is pretty well demonstrated in the episode where she goes to anger management when Bobby threatens to leave her and she actually does seem to make real progress with her new family until Tony provokes her into breaking it. I mean it's all well and good to call her an rear end in a top hat or whatever, but as soon as she stops being an rear end in a top hat Tony gets angry that she's doing better in her therapy than he is, and pulls a complete dick move of harping on harpo at the family dinner despite her probably being at her most stable point in the entire series. That scene is pretty damning of Tony, for how much it shows him as a petty vindictive psychopath, essentially displacing the anger at his mother for loving him up mentally and putting it on Janice when she finally starts to become a better person. I thought that was a pretty great portrayal of the kind of cycle of anger that can happen in a family that hosed up.
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Jul 25, 2014 14:55
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PootieTang posted:This is pretty well demonstrated in the episode where she goes to anger management when Bobby threatens to leave her and she actually does seem to make real progress with her new family until Tony provokes her into breaking it. Yeah Tony baiting Janice was such a good moment. They are all just such terrible people.
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Jul 25, 2014 14:58
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CODChimera posted:Yeah Tony baiting Janice was such a good moment. They are all just such terrible people. I wonder what's French Canadian for I grew up without a mother? Sacrebleu. Where is me Mama? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZpcWVEyBHs
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Jul 25, 2014 15:14
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Tony's smug walk away after taunting Janice into trying to stab him before her family is pretty much his defining moment for me, that or the "He was gay, Gary Cooper?" conversation where Tony basically lays out how he views modern America as every man for himself. EDIT: Or when he kills Chris. Eau de MacGowan fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Jul 25, 2014 15:14
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That's one of my absolute favourite scenes too. The Rolling Stones track that accompanies the walk down the street is perfect. edit: VVV oh dammit. I couldn't remember for sure. Escobarbarian fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Jul 25, 2014 15:18
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Bown posted:That's one of my absolute favourite scenes too. The Rolling Stones track that accompanies the walk down the street is perfect. "I'm Not Like Everybody Else" is by the Kinks
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Jul 25, 2014 15:22
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That was pretty much the moment i began to hate Tony. As he walks away from the Janice dinner incident, he has such a proud proud look on his face as if he just did the absolute most noble poo poo ever. Big spoiler chunk since we have some new viewers posting who havent seen the final seasons: as much as chris is my favorite character, i cant really fault tony for killing chris. I can live with it being a mercy kill almost. He was badly hurt, but furthermore he was driving them around nodding off on heroin which is extremely dangerous. Tony's hosed up reasoning aside, it did seem very likely Chris would end up dead from the drugs and possibly take out some innocents along the way. It was harder to feel sympathetic for Chris after he murdered the screenwriter buddy in complete cold blood over absolutely nothing  oh and cosette.edit: fixing typos made while posting from phone thathonkey fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Jul 25, 2014 15:27
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Cosette was barking, Paulie understands.
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Jul 25, 2014 15:32
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thathonkey posted:That was pretty much the moment i began to hate Tony. As he walks away from the Janice dinner incident, he has such a proud proud look on his face as if he just did the absolute most noble shot ever. Not to mention the casual way he'd start smacking Adriana around for just about anything. The beating she got from him after she tried to get him help for his heroin addiction was horrifying. It's interesting that one of the few redeeming qualities about Tony was that he never laid his hands on Carmela besides grabbing her arm to keep her from walking away one time.
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Jul 25, 2014 15:34
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A similar thing to Tony's behaviour towards Janice happens with Chris. He gets berated by everyone for his drug problems (and for good reason), then once he gets clean they all make fun of him for not drinking and push him right back in.
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Jul 25, 2014 15:35
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Yea Chris is the kind of guy that will act like your best friend(and at the time its probably sincere) and then one night he's drunk and you tell him to gently caress off or something and he blows your brains out. A scary dude.
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Jul 25, 2014 15:54
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Basically he is just really unstable and i think a lot of that can be attributed to his drug abuse. Also that he's in the mob where being quick to fly off the handle over basically anything is part of the job description.
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Jul 25, 2014 19:44
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thathonkey posted:That was pretty much the moment i began to hate Tony. As he walks away from the Janice dinner incident, he has such a proud proud look on his face as if he just did the absolute most noble shot ever. Actually is wasn't until Tony looked in the back and saw that the baby seat had been speared through by the tree that he hung up his phone and went to suffocate Chris.
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Jul 25, 2014 22:42
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thathonkey posted:That was pretty much the moment i began to hate Tony. As he walks away from the Janice dinner incident, he has such a proud proud look on his face as if he just did the absolute most noble shot ever. What? He ain't got a right to ask?! He's the boy's uncle! 
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pentyne posted:Actually is wasn't until Tony looked in the back and saw that the baby seat had been speared through by the tree that he hung up his phone and went to suffocate Chris. Yeah I know. When I said "Tony's hosed up reasoning" I meant that he made a snap judgement to kill Chris after seeing that.
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Jul 25, 2014 23:37
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It could be fun to have a rewatch thread for The Sopranos like there is for The Wire. There's certainly a lot to talk about with both series.
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For me the separation between Tony and Janice is that Tony had people he wouldn't abuse and Janice didn't.
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overtone posted:Free spirit Janice! Rebel without a cause! While I sit here mired in her bullshit, tryin to be a good son, while you're off droppin acid and blowin roadies!
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What's different about you? HE'S GOT NO EYEBROWS TONY holy poo poo that was probably the funniest scene so far
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thathonkey posted:I think he was less involved than Hesh even. All we see is that he is the owner of a couple of pizza restaurants that Ritchie Aprile alluded to having given him money to start (iirc) so when he got out of jail he felt entitled to some of the earnings. Beansie felt otherwise. I got the impression that Beansie was a guy who found he made more money from the pizza place than from advancing in the mob and got out before getting made, and Hesh was deeply involved since the 50s and basically would have been a captain/consigliere if he had been Italian. Being Jewish he had to be excluded from the formal structure. There's reference to Hesh's "territory" and to his various operations dropped throughout the show, and to his son-in-law being part of his organization. He's basically the show's version of the last remnant of the Jewish mob that in reality was folded into the Italians in the 30s and then disappeared.
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Jul 27, 2014 05:54
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I have a character I actually like now. The masseuse.
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Jul 27, 2014 15:36
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Huh, I did not realize that Chris actually was a screenwriter. He wrote 5 of the episodes, including my favorite season 4 episode Christopher, plus the best sad-sack Artie episode where he loses $50k in that "new vodka" deal.
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pentyne posted:Huh, I did not realize that Chris actually was a screenwriter. He wrote 5 of the episodes, including my favorite season 4 episode Christopher, plus the best sad-sack Artie episode where he loses $50k in that "new vodka" deal. Toni Kalem, who played Angie Bonpensiero, was the story supervisor for season five and wrote the episode "All Happy Families"
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Jul 27, 2014 22:27
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Toni Kalem, who played Angie Bonpensiero, was the story supervisor for season five and wrote the episode "All Happy Families" I wonder if Edie Falco stared uncomfortably at her while she was doing important Story Supervisor Things.
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Jul 27, 2014 22:34
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Eifert Posting posted:Janice may be the least likable character in TV. Counterpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYDbiodGMKk God, what a terrible despicable character. Joe Pantoliano did such an amazing job in that role. Ralphie and Richie (the two males I love to hate even more than the rest) both banged Janice. Then I guess so did Bobby. Even Tony, and to a small degree Paulie (Silvio gave no shits even though she worked at his club) were outraged seacat fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Tao Jones posted:I wonder if Edie Falco stared uncomfortably at her while she was doing important Story Supervisor Things. Carmen's seething jealously that any other mob wives were better off then her was always a delight to see.
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pentyne posted:Carmen's seething jealously that any other mob wives were better off then her was always a delight to see. Especially when she knew that Angie did it all on her own. The best scene is when Carmela shows off the Porsche station wagon Tony bought her and Angie points to the Corvette she bought herself.
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Jul 28, 2014 01:05
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"This whole war could have been averted. Cunnilingus and psychiatry brought us to this"
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Jul 28, 2014 08:55
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Little lord fuckpants. Whose moniker is that?
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zVxTeflon posted:Little lord fuckpants. Whose moniker is that? Jackie Jr.
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