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Vadoc posted:I seriously wish they'd do something with the 2nd and 11th now because of that.
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Cythereal posted:Magnus, Lorgar, and Angron all get told in the Horus Heresy books that the Emperor, Malcador, and certain primarchs had seriously discussed expunging them, and Sanguinius lived in fear that he would also be on that list. Where are these? I remember Sanguinius but not the others. Any explanations?
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One thing you can somewhat figure out is that every primarch was made for a specific purpose. There is one role that none of the primarchs fill which would be the scientist. I also feel that it seems like the first 4 have very general purposes unlike the others. Lion - Knight 2nd - ??? Fulgrim - Artist Perturabo - The Builder I think after that 4 the emperor realized that you need to more than just a specific role to be a good leader of men (also since all 4 of those are somewhat flawed). Given the emperor's love for science it seems highly unlikely that he would not atleast make one primarch who revolves around science. However at the same time i imagine if you made a scientist primarch, i can see him coming to blows with the mechanicum pretty quickly. Waroduce posted:Where are these? I remember Sanguinius but not the others. Any explanations? Magnus's gene seed was extremely unstable, and given how iffy a few primarchs were about psykers it wouldn't surprise me that they would do that. If Magnus's legion had not stopped what they were doing after the edict of niketa then the odds are they would have been dealt with in one way or another. Lorgar almost got expunged because he fundamentally believed the emperor was divine, and made the worlds he made compliant became highly religious and believed the emperor was divine. If Lorgar refused to stop what he was doing the odds are i could see his legion being expunged. Angron was also talked about becoming expunged because he was constantly committing atrocities, and well he was not only dying but he was completely unstable. His legion was being driven mad by the Nails and given how unstable Angron was i could see them eventually coming to a point where him and his legion were a liability. UberJumper fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Waroduce posted:Where are these? I remember Sanguinius but not the others. Any explanations? Magnus' is brought up in A Thousand Sons - that until Magnus brought the flesh change wracking the legion under control, the Emperor and his advisers were seriously considering purging the legion. Angron is mentioned briefly in Betrayer, when it's noted briefly that while Angron was somewhat stable at first, when he started to seriously deteriorate there was talk of purging the World Eaters. Lorgar's is talked about by Magnus in The First Heretic, that the Emperor put expunging the Word Bearers as a serious option on the table rather than simply rebuking them for their missionary zeal. quote:However at the same time i imagine if you made a scientist primarch, i can see him coming to blows with the mechanicum pretty quickly. That's probably Magnus. He's established to be a scholar of limitless curiosity and brilliance, even in non-psychic disciplines. quote:If Magnus's legion had not stopped what they were doing after the edict of niketa then the odds are they would have been dealt with in one way or another. To be clear, the Emperor did send Leman Russ to arrest Magnus and bring him back to Terra. Horus' manipulations were to exaggerate and intensify an already thorny situation until Leman Russ went in to destroy the Thousand Sons rather than merely politely but very firmly "escort" Magnus back to the Emperor. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Vadoc posted:I seriously wish they'd do something with the 2nd and 11th now because of that. The only way those two were killed now compared to Kurze and Angron is if one or both were raised solely by Xenos like the Eldar, maybe another by the Orks, or even some other Xenos race who were completely and utterly wiped out by the Space Wolves? I hope they never, ever explain what they did or even confirm that they were lost. Honestly, I preferred it when it wasn't even clear when they were lost from the record and why. Even let people make up their own chapters that claim to be first founding, or else all those chapters with "gene-seed unknown". OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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UberJumper posted:One thing you can somewhat figure out is that every primarch was made for a specific purpose. There is one role that none of the primarchs fill which would be the scientist. The most notable "missing" trait is a naval commander. None of the legions have a particular aptitude for ship-to-ship combat. I guess the other one would be being left handed.
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Cream_Filling posted:I hope they never, ever explain what they did or even confirm that they were lost. They definitely were around at one point, and now are not. Lorgar was pals with the 2nd and 11th primarchs, and Leman Russ cryptically notes that Prospero wasn't the first time the Space Wolves have fought other Astartes - and people wonder in a few different books how he came by his role as the Emperor's executioner... quote:The most notable "missing" trait is a naval commander. None of the legions have a particular aptitude for ship-to-ship combat. That would be Rogal Dorn, actually. Recent Imperial Fists fluff has been getting away from the siege warfare stereotype some because that's really Perturabo's thing and emphasizing the Imperial Fists as experts at void war to go along with their nature as a fleet-based Legion and their death star-sized flagship/mobile homeworld.
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Cythereal posted:They definitely were around at one point, and now are not. Lorgar was pals with the 2nd and 11th primarchs, and Leman Russ cryptically notes that Prospero wasn't the first time the Space Wolves have fought other Astartes - and people wonder in a few different books how he came by his role as the Emperor's executioner... This is all new fluff and I'm saying I dislike it because it was better when the Horus Heresy was so unimaginably long ago that it's possible there were other Primarchs that were just lost or forgotten due to any one of the various ways that could have happened (magic, Inquisitorial overreaching, turning traitor (either before/during/after the Heresy), religious schism, weird translation issues, etc.) and also that way kids could make up their own legions and primarchs. MasterSlowPoke posted:The most notable "missing" trait is a naval commander. None of the legions have a particular aptitude for ship-to-ship combat. Since they're Space Marines it's possible that they're just all good at it, depending on the situation. White Scars for fast hit-and-run, Imperial Fists for massed static fleet actions, Iron Warriors for planetary bombardment, etc. Honestly, given their name, I feel like there's not enough fluff revolving around boarding actions where fully sealed super-warriors with swords honeslty make th emost sense. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Cream_Filling posted:This is all new fluff and I'm saying I dislike it because it was better when the Horus Heresy was so unimaginably long ago that it's possible there were other Primarchs that were just lost or forgotten due to any one of the various ways that could have happened (magic, Inquisitorial overreaching, turning traitor (either before/during/after the Heresy), religious schism, weird translation issues, etc.) and also that way kids could make up their own legions and primarchs. Even if all that was true, the Horus Heresy books tell the story of the 30k era. Even if the 2nd and 11th primarchs are lost to the 40k era - and they are - some people know of them during the 30k era, and everyone shies away from them and what happened. We know they existed and met some of their fellow primarchs - Corax asks the Emperor why he only has seventeen brothers rather than nineteen and doesn't get an answer, while according to the Word Bearers Lorgar was close friends with them. We know that something happened that caused them to be expunged from Imperial records and everyone who knows about them ordered by the Emperor to never speak of them. We probably know that the Space Wolves fought them in some capacity, and the Ultramarines may have quietly assimilated the surviving Astartes from those legions. Deliberately just never mentioning them at all during the 30k era, when there are statues to all the primarchs and whatnot, would be a glaring elephant in the room.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:The most notable "missing" trait is a naval commander. None of the legions have a particular aptitude for ship-to-ship combat. The Night Lords are also really good at void war, their notable and praised battles were void engagements where their visions were used to make their hit and fade tactics be way more effective 2 & 11 are also complicated because most of what we know comes from way old fluff that has mostly been discarded. Going by that stuff one of them fell to Chaos but not both, yet they were both expunged. But in the modern stuff it is a huge shocker that a primarch can even be killed, but wouldn't they know that from 2 & 11? What we know now: 11 went bad in a major way, that even the Word Bearers once they were dabbling in Chaos were disgusted about what 11 had done. Whatever happened, 2 of them were expunged before Corax was found. The Ultramarines got bigger afterwards. The Emperor didn't strip the memory from his sons and instead bound everyone to silence. Their legions had animal symbols that had been scraped off the door to the lab. There is some stuff in Extinction heavily marked redacted, which is something they only do for the missing 2 primarchs in the books, but since it isn't indicated what they are talking about there (its battles led by BLANK on BLANK where BLANK BLANKED BLANK) it is a leap to assume its the primarchs again (even though like I said they've used that for them so far).
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Cream_Filling posted:Since they're Space Marines it's possible that they're just all good at it, depending on the situation. White Scars for fast hit-and-run, Imperial Fists for massed static fleet actions, Iron Warriors for planetary bombardment, etc. Honestly, given their name, I feel like there's not enough fluff revolving around boarding actions where fully sealed super-warriors with swords honeslty make th emost sense.
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Cythereal posted:Even if all that was true, the Horus Heresy books tell the story of the 30k era. Even if the 2nd and 11th primarchs are lost to the 40k era - and they are - some people know of them during the 30k era, and everyone shies away from them and what happened. We know they existed and met some of their fellow primarchs - Corax asks the Emperor why he only has seventeen brothers rather than nineteen and doesn't get an answer, while according to the Word Bearers Lorgar was close friends with them. We know that something happened that caused them to be expunged from Imperial records and everyone who knows about them ordered by the Emperor to never speak of them. We probably know that the Space Wolves fought them in some capacity, and the Ultramarines may have quietly assimilated the surviving Astartes from those legions. I also dont like the whole ocncept of the Horus Heresy series either. Though deliberately never mentioning them honestly wouldn't be a big deal. There's rarely even two primarchs in a room together, and it's not like it's a movie where you actually have to show details for every single statute in every room. OXBALLS DOT COM fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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When Horus is traveling in his dream/warp/time travel and he goes back to the place where all 20 Primarchs are gestating, doesn't he say something along the lines of "Untapped potential never to be realized" about one of the missing ones?
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Well if they suddenly decide to reveal who those other two primarchs are then my entire 20 page background for my almost chaotic yet totally loyal space marine chapter will be just ruined.  Although it wouldn't surprise me if they'd actually reveal who they are at some point when they've suddenly managed to run the entire HH series dry and boldly reveal the hidden secrets of the Heresy or something. Also, finished the latest Ciaphas Cain book. Now to wait a year for the next BL book I really give a drat about that isn't about Power Armour or Heresies, aka the next Gaunts Ghosts book or even the next Cain one for that part.
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Anyone else feels that the Great Crusade time frame is way too short? I can't see how the human race could be reaching the edges of the galaxy and conquering all in its path in under 200 years, even with thousands of expedicionary forces. With the average warp trip lasting months/years, no primarch could have more than 40 campaigns under his belt, which is piddly in an empire of a million worlds. It leads to odd situations, in which 'ancient' warriors and veterans are barely 40 years older than their 100-year old pals who are in their prime. A 500-600 year crusade would be far more feasible in allowing time for relationships between the Primarchs to actually develop, the conquests to play out and solidify, and the legions to actually fall fully under the sway of their primarchs instead of the Emperor, with entire generations of new marines that had never even seen the big E take up arms along a fleet. Then again, sci fi writers are notoriously fickle when it comjes to scale.
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I like to imagine that the missing primarchs were just ordinary. The Emperor finally finds one of his long lost gene-sons, and he's an accountant with a law firm or something. The Emperor can deal with the fact that his sons grew up to be a priest-king, a berserk gladiator, or the Space Joker, but he's just utterly disgusted to find one of the primarchs working a 9-5.
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Sephyr posted:Anyone else feels that the Great Crusade time frame is way too short? I can't see how the human race could be reaching the edges of the galaxy and conquering all in its path in under 200 years, even with thousands of expedicionary forces. With the average warp trip lasting months/years, no primarch could have more than 40 campaigns under his belt, which is piddly in an empire of a million worlds. Yeah, it is way too short. It requires something like every fleet to be conquering 20 planets a year just to get 1 million, never mind to get all the galaxy. It is the usual scale problem. I mean, they have Mars build every ship and Terra pay for it all in the early ones. And the depending on the author the Unification wars were part of the 200 years.
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Ah yes, the old thread joke of Jenkins, the missing middle management primarch.
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Jul 26, 2014 02:26
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bunnyofdoom posted:Ah yes, the old thread joke of Jenkins, the missing middle management primarch. Jenkins in Middle Management and Ludo, the Football Player. Or worse, committed pacifist.
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Well at that point in 30k, there's no Tyranids, Necrons or Chaos on a massive level to deal with. The eldar have basically disappeared and the only large force in the galaxy are Orks. What's left are probably random xenos civilizations that can't match the sheer number of soldiers the Imperium throws at them. You also have 20 or so Primarchs running around with a huge space marine fighting force that's not present in 40k, so I can believe the 200 year timeline of the great crusade. Plus it just adds to the grimdark nature of 40k, of what little gains they've seen in 10k years vs. the initial 200.
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Lyer posted:Well at that point in 30k, there's no Tyranids, Necrons or Chaos on a massive level to deal with. The eldar have basically disappeared and the only large force in the galaxy are Orks. What's left are probably random xenos civilizations that can't match the sheer number of soldiers the Imperium throws at them. And even if they do run into a multi-system human empire, there are 2 outcomes. - Complete surrender to the Imperium - The Space Marines loving destroy you And it takes a few months at the longest for them to finish and move on. The fluff mentions how entire systems would surrender once they heard that the World Eaters were being sent to pacify them. The Interex were Humans allied with other aliens and had a society dedicated to the defeat of Chaos, and Horus crushed them in a matter of months. They even said that the Interex would suffer horrible losses, go to their STC for weapons to counter it, suffer more losses, etc. until they had lost everything. And it still took less then a year to cripple a multi-world empire. pentyne fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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Cythereal posted:Magnus' is brought up in A Thousand Sons - that until Magnus brought the flesh change wracking the legion under control, the Emperor and his advisers were seriously considering purging the legion. If Horus didn't interfere its pretty easy to imagine that once Magnus saw what he accidentally destroyed he would have gladly taken his spot on the golden throne and then just used his spectral form to guide the armies to hunt down the traitors where they hide. He probably would have asked the Emperor to spare his legion and instead put them on the front line as a form of penance once Horus was found. The first penal legion. But instead Zeech being space Batman played the galactic chessboard to remove the biggest threat to Chaos from the board. Would be interesting when the Heresy is over if they do a series of what if stories of what one thing would have done to the entire heresy. If Magnus was arrested If Angron was allowed to die in his last stand with his rebel army If Pertubo was praised for his work rather than ignored If Logar was not so harshly rebuked. If Alpha Legion just murdered The Cabal at their first meeting.
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speaking of the Primarchs being made for specific purposes, I wish someone would hurry up and provide some differentiation between Manus and Vulkan and their shared smith/engineer role, which has always bugged me. Particularly when there's also overlap between the two of them and Perturabo/Dorn. Whether it's giving one of them a different thing entirely (Manus might be interesting as a scientist, while Vulkan might fit well into a healer archetype) or just delineating it so that one of them (probably Vulkan) is a craftsman-smith and the other (Manus) is a capital-E Engineer, I think that's been a missed opportunity. One of the drawbacks of the Salamanders being written by a big ol' dumbo and the Iron Hands being the go-to "gently caress it, they're around, right? I'll use them as my loyalist mooks here," legion.
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Manus would be the smith. The interesting thing is that the legions are well-differentiated (FIRE, black dudes, generally actually being pretty nice; versus the flesh is weak go cyber), but yeah, I do sometimes find myself forgetting which one was which. Maybe that's one reason Manus got killed off early  The one I can never remember is Iron Warriors vs. Iron Hands. It's doubly confusing when they're loving fighting against each other.
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PupsOfWar posted:Whether it's giving one of them a different thing entirely (Manus might be interesting as a scientist, while Vulkan might fit well into a healer archetype) or just delineating it so that one of them (probably Vulkan) is a craftsman-smith and the other (Manus) is a capital-E Engineer, I think that's been a missed opportunity. Perturabo is the engineer/architect, for what it's worth. His fundamental love isn't blowing poo poo up, it's building stuff. Even if the reality never quite lives up to the vision he had in his head, and people keep finding ways to use what are supposed to be grand monuments of peace and human accomplishment for various lovely purposes. He's the guy who built the ampitheatre on Nikea where Magnus was tried, for example, but his plans for the building were basically an olympic stadium sized for Astartes to compete with each other for glory and self-improvement. Perturabo thought the Emperor was an rear end in a top hat for misusing what was supposed to be a symbol of cooperation and friendly competition.
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Fried Chicken posted:Yeah, it is way too short. It requires something like every fleet to be conquering 20 planets a year just to get 1 million, never mind to get all the galaxy. It is the usual scale problem. Don't forget that there were many times more expeditionary fleets than Primarchs--I got the impression that there were at least several hundred Expeditions, and some (possibly most) barely had any Astartes at all. Add to it that a significant percentage of worlds rediscovered were brought back into the fold without bloodshed--some came back without even being directly visited--and the 200 years timeline is still cramped but it is plausible.
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I'd really love to see a series on the crusade. It'd be a great way to flesh out the primarchs. So many stories could be told in a wide open setting too because their enemies will be compliant or dead at the end
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Waroduce posted:I'd really love to see a series on the crusade. It'd be a great way to flesh out the primarchs. So many stories could be told in a wide open setting too because their enemies will be compliant or dead at the end heh
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Lyer posted:Plus it just adds to the grimdark nature of 40k, of what little gains they've seen in 10k years vs. the initial 200. There's also the parallels with various historical empires, Rome for instance manages to go from a small town in Italy to a continent spanning empire in a couple of hundred years and then spends the next millenium or so being whittled down to a single city no longer even in Italy. As to the Primarchs, most of them have understandable reasons for their actions. They present human beings faced with relatable problems, whether that be feeling betrayed or insulted pride. It doesn't make them right (Perturabo was an arrogant dick who could have said gently caress this I just want to build something that isn't used for grinding people into the mud rather than just brooding about it) but it does make them understandable without being moustache twirling villains. The Emperor presents a different issue in his flaws stem from not having that human connection. I'd draw a parallel with one of the characters in Brandon Sanderson's works (character and book in spoiler) That healer king in the Stormlight Archives who wakes up each day with a different level of intelligence, varying from the extremes of barely capable of speech to able to create an enormous plan encompassing every possible outcome of how to defeat this terrible menace most people can't even identify. His dangerous days are both when he's really dumb (and so clearly incapable) and when he's really smart, since he goes to try and convince the common people to utterly change their lives in ways that, big picture, are good solutions but require massive upheaval or sacrifice. When you've got a giant dose of vision, you're fundamentally seeing things in a different way from others. You understand the long term benefits while other people only really appreciate the short term pain and without concentrating a whole lot on empathy it's easy to forget that. It could be interesting to see the Emperor giving up aspects of his humanity to craft the Primarchs, leaving himself more remote but the flashbacks we've had seem to make it clear he's alway been pretty distant. I think it's really because he's viewing things on a very, very different scale from anyone else and not just temporally (his differences with the other perpetuals make that clear).
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Arquinsiel posted:They're "Marines". Naval Infantry. It only really comes up in Space Hulk, but boarding hostile ships is basically their whole deal. There's the boarding/assault sequence in Salvation's Reach (that does read a little like Abnett was told to advertise Forgworld uprgrade kits)
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:There's the boarding/assault sequence in Salvation's Reach (that does read a little like Abnett was told to advertise Forgworld uprgrade kits) Which is not the first time that's happened. It is pretty much a mandate at BL that any new GW release back when their schedule was slower was going to be featured in books which lead to some of them having a huge amount of Contemptor Dreads and at one point in the Ahriman book there was just a sudden mention of three Stormravens out of the blue.
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Can't believe ADB used the same autoloader joke again when it comes to Dreadnought chuckles in Soul Hunter. 
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Cooked Auto posted:Which is not the first time that's happened. It is pretty much a mandate at BL that any new GW release back when their schedule was slower was going to be featured in books which lead to some of them having a huge amount of Contemptor Dreads and at one point in the Ahriman book there was just a sudden mention of three Stormravens out of the blue. So that's why Know No Fear, Betrayer, and Scars all conspicuously featured Contemptors. Was starting to think Ancient Rylanor was the first of the regular dreadnoughts in 30k.
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I think there is basically one token mention of Dreadknights in Emperor's Gift then they are promptly forgotten about.
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MrNemo posted:(Perturabo was an arrogant dick who could have said gently caress this I just want to build something that isn't used for grinding people into the mud rather than just brooding about it) Eh, it seems kind of presumptuous to talk about what people 'could have' done when it comes to speaking up against the will of the Emperor and the circle of happy, relative yes-men primarchs. I mean, people feeling like they can't effectively say anything or speak out against things until they finally snap is a phenomenon we know about in today's society; I can't even imagine what it would be like trying to go up against the golden psychic ubermensch, even as a primarch oneself. Cooked Auto posted:Which is not the first time that's happened. It is pretty much a mandate at BL that any new GW release back when their schedule was slower was going to be featured in books which lead to some of them having a huge amount of Contemptor Dreads and at one point in the Ahriman book there was just a sudden mention of three Stormravens out of the blue. The thing I noticed really having a point put on it in the Ahriman novel was the one scene with the Warp Talons. Which to be fair was pretty metal, making it all the funnier how absolutely worthless Warp Talons are on the tabletop (Contemptors and Stormravens are at least a pretty good buy from what I understand).
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:There's the boarding/assault sequence in Salvation's Reach (that does read a little like Abnett was told to advertise Forgworld uprgrade kits)
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Boarding gets talked about in the Horus Heresy books some. It seems to be that some chapters/legions make a regular habit of boarding, and some don't. The World Eaters are specifically noted to have a preference for boarding enemy ships and the legion's fleet is accordingly built for knife fights, but most chapters/legions seem to only employ boarding if there's a particular reason to capture or disable an enemy ship.
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Arquinsiel posted:Yeah, but bear in mind that they're not really ever mentioned anywhere else at all. Ship to ship in BFG was even just Terminators because.... Space Hulk, right guys? Planetfall I get, that makes sense, but the basically total lack of boarding actions except for the last chunk of that book is kind of weird. Not positive I understand your post correctly, but there were a lot of rules for BFG boarding actions, and very few involved Terminators. Terminators are of course the most effective way to mount a boarding attack, but there are also assault pods, boarding torpedoes, teleport attacks, and full-on lash-together boarding actions, and the vast majority of those exclusively involve mortal crew. It's just that boarding actions tend to be incredibly risky unless you're Space Marines or to a lesser extent xenos. As far as BL books that discuss boarding actions, every book I've read by ADB has at least a couple, and I recall one in the Shira Calpurnia books, and I can only think of one novel (Shadow Point) that features a void battle between warships but not a boarding action.
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Cythereal posted:Boarding gets talked about in the Horus Heresy books some. It seems to be that some chapters/legions make a regular habit of boarding, and some don't. The World Eaters are specifically noted to have a preference for boarding enemy ships and the legion's fleet is accordingly built for knife fights, but most chapters/legions seem to only employ boarding if there's a particular reason to capture or disable an enemy ship. Sulecrist posted:Not positive I understand your post correctly, but there were a lot of rules for BFG boarding actions, and very few involved Terminators. Terminators are of course the most effective way to mount a boarding attack, but there are also assault pods, boarding torpedoes, teleport attacks, and full-on lash-together boarding actions, and the vast majority of those exclusively involve mortal crew. It's just that boarding actions tend to be incredibly risky unless you're Space Marines or to a lesser extent xenos.
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Sulecrist posted:Not positive I understand your post correctly, but there were a lot of rules for BFG boarding actions, and very few involved Terminators. Terminators are of course the most effective way to mount a boarding attack, but there are also assault pods, boarding torpedoes, teleport attacks, and full-on lash-together boarding actions, and the vast majority of those exclusively involve mortal crew. It's just that boarding actions tend to be incredibly risky unless you're Space Marines or to a lesser extent xenos. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that boarding was conducted by Marines in general - Terminators are pretty much relegated to Space Hulk actions where there is a threat of Genestealer infestation. Terminator suits are too valuable to waste in a standard boarding procedure.
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