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I'd say you should just get the main cards from the Modern event deck, but throw out the irrelevant stuff and just buy a more coherent version of Wb Tokens. I put it together cheaply and there are plenty of places to slowly upgrade. Starter list for budget version: 4 Squadron Hawk 4 Lingering Souls 4 Spectral Procession 4 Duress 3 Inquisition of Kozilek 4 Path to Exile 2 Doom Blade 4 Honor of the Pure 3 Runechanter's Pike 4 Zealous Persecution 4 Temple of Silence 4 Caves of Koilos 4 Isolated Chapel 2 Orzhov Guildgate 1 Vault of the Archangel 1 Swamp 8 Plains That's $66.28 right now Optimized on TCG Player, and it is reasonably competitive because it's a focused list. Of course that doesn't include sideboard and if you can swing it I'd immediately upgrade the 4 Hawk 3 Pike package to instead be 4 Mirran Crusader and 3 Hero of Bladehold. Plus there's plenty of room to make the mana better if you can get shocks at least.
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Interesting match on right now. Jund vs UWR where Joel Larsson pushed the game into the midgame/late game with a Liliana and Dark Confident doing work against Jackie Lee.
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uggy posted:You playing merfolk without cursecatchers or merrows or lords or something? It probably only felt like 120 because i already owned the mutavaults and vials already 
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Jul 27, 2014 00:29
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vOv posted:Jesus gently caress
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Korak posted:Interesting match on right now. Jund vs UWR where Joel Larsson pushed the game into the midgame/late game with a Liliana and Dark Confident doing work against Jackie Lee. Then Lee wins by Snapcasting with a graveyard that has no Lightning Bolt? 
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Jul 27, 2014 00:39
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ungulateman posted:Then Lee wins by Snapcasting with a graveyard that has no Lightning Bolt? What exactly happened? If it was a Jedi mind trick then that's cool and something I can get behind, but I imagine it would still draw accusations of shady play from some sections of the peanut gallery.
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Holy poo poo Tarkir what the hell. Also, apparently Teferi is only part of a cycle of planeswalkers that you can play as commanders, per MaRo's tumblr.
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homerlaw posted:Tibetan Mastiff person, best set ever confirmed. wanna make TemurGoodDogs.dec so bad.
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I don't have much Modern stuff, unfortunately. Last set I played was Mirrodin, and that was just a tiny bit--almost all of my stuff is Onslaught, and I ran a fun Zombie deck. (I'm trying to make that Modern legal and here's my plan... Modern Zombies). Of course, a lot of that is not Modern legal. My roommate has a whole lot of stuff, though, and certainly some things I could use to play with until I acquire them on my own, eventually. Living End (2-3, I think), Aether Vial, some shock lands, a decent chunk of creatures.
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BeefSupreme posted:I don't have much Modern stuff, unfortunately. Last set I played was Mirrodin, and that was just a tiny bit--almost all of my stuff is Onslaught, and I ran a fun Zombie deck. (I'm trying to make that Modern legal and here's my plan... Modern Zombies). Of course, a lot of that is not Modern legal.
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Pullin' these pics together. There was information about the different clan's gimmicks at the panel but I haven't heard the full information; each clan also has some unique tribes associated with it, but haven't heard the complete breakdown.  The Azban Houses Wedge: White-Black-Green    Dragon aspect: Endurance Symbol: Dragon scale Khan: Anafenza  The Jeskai Way Wedge: Blue-Red-White  Dragon aspect: Cunning Symbol: Dragon eye Khan: Narset  The Sultai Brood Wedge: Black-Green-Blue Dragon aspect: Ruthlessness Symbol: Dragon fang Khan: Sidisi  The Mardu Horde Wedge: Red-White-Black  Dragon aspect: Speed Symbol: Dragon wings Khan: Zurgo Helmsmasher  The Temur Frontier Wedge: Green-Blue-Red Dragon aspect: Savagery Symbol: Dragon claw Khan: Surrak Dragonclaw Zorak fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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I was in a chat wondering this, and I was curious what the thread thought. What are the mechanics that fit for a wedge? The only thing I could think of is that First strike is almost exclusive to White, red, and black. The only green or blue cards with first strike that I can find that are legal in modern and don't rely on one of the other colors are two legends, Glissa and Mirri. EDIT:^^ Also, holy crap the Mardu goblins look amazing. Gensuki fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Boco_T posted:I'd say you should just get the main cards from the Modern event deck, but throw out the irrelevant stuff and just buy a more coherent version of Wb Tokens. I put it together cheaply and there are plenty of places to slowly upgrade. If I were to do this, would you recommend starting with buying the event Deck (like 50 bucks), and then filling it out with the rest of your list? Or just do it piecemeal? That leads to me to question 2: Where do you guys buy most of your cards? neetengie posted:This might take a while, but do you mind cataloging everything you and your roommate own? Just so it'll be easier for us to advise you. Deckbox.net is a good site for that. It's possible... It'd be rares only, though--and probably only valuable ones, at that. He's got probably 20k cards or more.
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BeefSupreme posted:If I were to do this, would you recommend starting with buying the event Deck (like 50 bucks), and then filling it out with the rest of your list? Or just do it piecemeal? Where did you find the Modern Event Deck for less than $75?
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BeefSupreme posted:If I were to do this, would you recommend starting with buying the event Deck (like 50 bucks), and then filling it out with the rest of your list? Or just do it piecemeal? Gensuki posted:I was in a chat wondering this, and I was curious what the thread thought.
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The Event deck is pretty serviceable if you add Godless Shrines and Thoughtseizes to it. There's a lot of room for improvement from there, but that's the best you're going to get at that budget.
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If Temur isn't all about making the fattest fatties you can or otherwise being HUGE I will be disappointed.
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Gensuki posted:I was in a chat wondering this, and I was curious what the thread thought. You probably want to look at the Wedge cards that exist currently for an idea of the kind of mechanics each wedge could have Azban Jeskai Sultai Mardu Temur
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Cernunnos posted:Where did you find the Modern Event Deck for less than $75? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGIC-THE-G...=item3a94076113 There's a few others on there.
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lmao Dezani just looked at a card before conceding and I guarantee he won't be DQed
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I'm seriously enjoying the fact that Tarkir appears to be somewhat of a melting pot of races that either haven't been seen before or are comparatively underdeveloped. We've hit the point where even tribes that more or less didn't exist for the first half of Magic's history are becoming seriously overexposed by comparison (cat people, I'm looking at you) so a world of snakes, orcs, dogs and djinns, plus whatever else, will be pretty refreshing.
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Cernunnos posted:Where did you find the Modern Event Deck for less than $75? Store near me has them for $60 and still nobody's buying them because they're so bad.
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JerryLee posted:I'm seriously enjoying the fact that Tarkir appears to be somewhat of a melting pot of races that either haven't been seen before or are comparatively underdeveloped. We've hit the point where even tribes that more or less didn't exist for the first half of Magic's history are becoming seriously overexposed by comparison (cat people, I'm looking at you) so a world of snakes, orcs, dogs and djinns, plus whatever else, will be pretty refreshing.
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As someone who wasn't playing around Onslaught block, Morph always felt to me like it would be a loving horrid mechanic, especially the whole "this card says I can make it a 2/2, no I don't actually have to prove that it does, you just have to trust me on this, honest" aspect of it. Am I missing something fundamental here? Is there something I'm missing that made it good?
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Gensuki posted:I was in a chat wondering this, and I was curious what the thread thought. One thing that mutlicolored creatures do is pick up off color traits from the other colors. Lightning Angel gets flying from blue, vigilance from white and haste from red, for example. You also tend to see synergies between the colors, so UWR might get a bunch of blue evasive creatures and tanks with red pyromancers and burn and white fatties and wraths to finish the job. Gru might be more of an aggressive beaters with some blue tricks plan.
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Give us more Tribal spells Wizards. Why can't Flurry of Horns be Tribal Sorcery - Minotaur? What do you have against Door of Destinies actually being good when you decide to reprint it? Cernunnos fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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^^^ MaRo has been very clear they won't be making more tribal cards. Tribal synergies sure but not actually printing Creature - Tribal.Alris posted:As someone who wasn't playing around Onslaught block, Morph always felt to me like it would be a loving horrid mechanic, especially the whole "this card says I can make it a 2/2, no I don't actually have to prove that it does, you just have to trust me on this, honest" aspect of it. Am I missing something fundamental here? Is there something I'm missing that made it good?
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Alris posted:As someone who wasn't playing around Onslaught block, Morph always felt to me like it would be a loving horrid mechanic, especially the whole "this card says I can make it a 2/2, no I don't actually have to prove that it does, you just have to trust me on this, honest" aspect of it. Am I missing something fundamental here? Is there something I'm missing that made it good? If you lose a game and there's a face-down creature in play, I'd always ask to see it. If they lied and just put a land or whatever down, then call a judge and have them dq'd. Im sure there will be some official rule updates for morph.
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Alris posted:"this card says I can make it a 2/2, no I don't actually have to prove that it does, you just have to trust me on this, honest" At the end of a game any un-revealed face down morph cards have to be revealed or you are considered cheating and face penalties. Fingers McLongDong posted:If you lose a game and there's a face-down creature in play, I'd always ask to see it. If they lied and just put a land or whatever down, then call a judge and have them dq'd. Im sure there will be some official rule updates for morph. That rule already exists.
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Oh man Randy Buelher just said bullshit on stream 
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Korak posted:^^^ MaRo has been very clear they won't be making more tribal cards. Tribal synergies sure but not actually printing Creature - Tribal.  MaRo is ruining Magic.
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NovemberMike posted:One thing that mutlicolored creatures do is pick up off color traits from the other colors. Lightning Angel gets flying from blue, vigilance from white and haste from red, for example. You also tend to see synergies between the colors, so UWR might get a bunch of blue evasive creatures and tanks with red pyromancers and burn and white fatties and wraths to finish the job. Gru might be more of an aggressive beaters with some blue tricks plan. That's true, but they don't really feel as solid as say, Battalion? White and red are the creature flood colors, unless green is getting saproling tokens or black is getting zombie tokens. Green and black are the graveyard colors, so the golgari got dredge and scavenge, both ways to reuse dead creatures (and for dredge, other things...). Red and blue are the "spells" colors, so they got easy spell copying in Izzet 1 and simplified (and hexproof/shroud/protection bypassing) mass targeting in Izzet 2. Giving a WGB creature Vigilance, Deathtouch, and Trample doesn't make it feel like a WBG card, it feels like a White, Black, and Green card if that makes sense. Zorak posted:You probably want to look at the Wedge cards that exist currently for an idea of the kind of mechanics each wedge could have It is impressive how there are no continuous themes between any of those sets of colors... granted it's only between like 5 cards a piece, but still...
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Cernunnos posted:If Temur isn't all about making the fattest fatties you can or otherwise being HUGE I will be disappointed. Look, it's already been established that Temur is about punching bears  . Morph creatures, being 2/2s, are honorary bears.It definitely looks like they're really going all-out on this set, though--it's not going to be as Time Spiral as Time Spiral, but between orcs, morph, and breaking new ground on the wedges, it already feels like it's going to have a lot more oomph to it than Theros did.
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JerryLee posted:I'm seriously enjoying the fact that Tarkir appears to be somewhat of a melting pot of races that either haven't been seen before or are comparatively underdeveloped. We've hit the point where even tribes that more or less didn't exist for the first half of Magic's history are becoming seriously overexposed by comparison (cat people, I'm looking at you) so a world of snakes, orcs, dogs and djinns, plus whatever else, will be pretty refreshing. Second from the left. That makes two birdmen. Avens are back, baby, oh yeah 
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I definitely bet a lot of people are going to think they can shock a morphed creature in response to the controller unmorphing it (you can't because unmorphing doesn't use the stack for exactly this reason).
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vOv posted:I definitely bet a lot of people are going to think they can shock a morphed creature in response to the controller unmorphing it (you can't because unmorphing doesn't use the stack for exactly this reason). Convoke used to be a cost reductor instead of a mana ability, so they miiiight change this for conveniences' sake.
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vOv posted:I definitely bet a lot of people are going to think they can shock a morphed creature in response to the controller unmorphing it (you can't because unmorphing doesn't use the stack for exactly this reason). If it doesn't use the stack (which I'm aware of), then shouldn't the opposite also hold: you can't unmorph in response to a shock?
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Maro has said in the past that he regrets that not every shard in Alara block getting its own keyword, even if they did get their own mechanical gimmick. So I'd assume that each wedge would get a brand new keyword. Guessing that the keywords might relate to their dragon aspect: Azban - Endurance - Absorb from Future Sight? Jeskai - Cunning - Morph Triggers? to benefit from the surprise aspect Sultai - Ruthlessness - No Idea Mardu - Speed - Since this is aggro, maybe Base/Power Toughness matters? Something that helps weenies, punishes fatties. Temur - Savagery - No Idea And in far, far speculation. The weird block structure of Large-Small-Large probably means the the block will go Wedge-NonWedge-Wedge.
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jscolon2.0 posted:
Absorb is interesting in that Maro has said he really likes the mechanic, it's just incredibly powerful and hard to develop / balance. They previously used the mechanic in their Star Wars TCG.
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Archenteron posted:Convoke used to be a cost reductor instead of a mana ability, so they miiiight change this for conveniences' sake. I forget if I've read any authoritative explanation of the subject, but I'd wager that one of the problems with morph being a normal, stack-using ability is that if it worked that way, you'd pay the cost upfront and then potentially have a lot of game actions that occurred before the creature actually stopped being a 2/2 and started being whatever else. Among other potential problems, in a lot of situations this basically tells your opponent what the creature's going to become when they're trying to decide whether to shock it or whatever (he sacrificed two mountains to pay the cost? I wonder what that is...) and this in turn changes the 'surprise' dynamic of morph significantly. I'd wager it would be a much bigger downer of a change than combat damage, honestly. Rinkles posted:If it doesn't use the stack (which I'm aware of), then shouldn't the opposite also hold: you can't unmorph in response to a shock? It doesn't use the stack, but the Shock still does. Morph is just a static ability that specifies something you can do whenever you have priority, which you do before the Shock resolves. JerryLee fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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