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ulvir
Jan 2, 2005

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computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

*Bans Nazis*

"Nope, no issue with freedom of the press here".

Also the obvious politically loaded part of it is how they didn't include Gaza.

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!



I can just see it now:

"Prime Minister has issued a statement where he acknowledges the government efforts to increase freedom of press and information in our country, and has already requested Namibian government to send a team of experts as advisers".

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx
I am not surprised they rate Austria very good with the amount of money they hand out. Said money of course has no effect on reporting whatsover.

Filippo Corridoni
Jun 12, 2014

I'm the fuckin' man
You don't get it, do ya?

computer parts posted:

*Bans Nazis*

"Nope, no issue with freedom of the press here".
At first they banned the nazis, and I did not speak out because gently caress nazis.

And then nothing else happened for 69 years, though it got a little repressive when they were trying to deal with a roving band of whiny college kid terrorists but that was about it

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004

Phlegmish posted:

What about, I don't know, clam chowder or turkey-based dishes?

Don't get me started on Manhattan-style "clam chowder". On the other hand, turkey is turkey.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
I remembered how North Korea was usually the worst one in the RWB ranking, but then one year Eritrea managed to beat N.K. for the dubious honor.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Filippo Corridoni posted:

At first they banned the nazis, and I did not speak out because gently caress nazis.

And then nothing else happened for 69 years, though it got a little repressive when they were trying to deal with a roving band of whiny college kid terrorists but that was about it

I'm just curious under what metric a nation that bans explicit depiction of something is more free than one that doesn't (or only does so in a de-facto sense, i.e. regarding Palestinian perspectives).

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004

Closest thing I could find to a clam chowder map.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

computer parts posted:

*Bans Nazis*

"Nope, no issue with freedom of the press here".

Also the obvious politically loaded part of it is how they didn't include Gaza.

Oh man banning nazis, that's horrible.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Kurtofan posted:

Oh man banning nazis, that's horrible.

Not as horrible as letting get those stalinists away unscathed!

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



SurgicalOntologist posted:

Closest thing I could find to a clam chowder map.



I have no idea what it tastes like but from briefly reading about it on Wikipedia the creamy New England style sounds like my cup of tea.

Amused to Death
Aug 10, 2009

google "The Night Witches", and prepare for :stare:

Kurtofan posted:

Oh man banning nazis, that's horrible.

Well yeah, if you think even vile people should have freedom of speech protected.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
Real answer:

It's not just de jure legal limits of the free press, but freedoms the press has realistically. (And since this is a reporters organization, it's gonna be hard to have a truthful and sympathetic depiction of Nazis anyway.) Compare that to the effects of a reemerging far-right political movement may have on the press.

RWB also factors interference from the private sector and organized crime, which can do a lot to stop a well-intentioned reporter from spreading the news.

Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jul 27, 2014

crabcakes66
May 24, 2012

by exmarx

Kurtofan posted:

Oh man banning nazis, that's horrible.


One area where America gets it right and Europe and other places get it wrong.

Sinestro
Oct 31, 2010

The perfect day needs the perfect set of wheels.

e_angst posted:

Don't leave us hanging, Sinestro...

Sorry, I forgot that I posted.


It's number of furries as a percentage of the state's population, based on three furry dating sites. WA has the most, NY has the least.

Freudian
Mar 23, 2011

Sinestro posted:

Sorry, I forgot that I posted.


It's number of furries as a percentage of the state's population, based on three furry dating sites. WA has the most, NY has the least.

That doesn't surprise me and I'm not sure why.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

computer parts posted:

I'm just curious under what metric a nation that bans explicit depiction of something is more free than one that doesn't (or only does so in a de-facto sense, i.e. regarding Palestinian perspectives).

But banning Nazis has nothing to do with freedom of the press? :confused:

In fact I cannot imagine a single instance of journalism being hampered by the Nazi ban. You can always show people illegally wearing the swastika, or write about neo-nazis. One cannot editorialize on the many benefits of national socialism and why it should definitely be reintroduced, but I think that's not freedom of the press and more freedom of speech.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Torrannor posted:


In fact I cannot imagine a single instance of journalism being hampered by the Nazi ban. You can always show people illegally wearing the swastika, or write about neo-nazis. One cannot editorialize on the many benefits of national socialism and why it should definitely be reintroduced, but I think that's not freedom of the press and more freedom of speech.

What is the difference between freedom of the press and freedom of speech?

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

computer parts posted:

What is the difference between freedom of the press and freedom of speech?

Press didn't send 6 million people to the gas chamber.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Peanut President posted:

Press didn't send 6 million people to the gas chamber.

Neither did the Nazis though it was 12 million, everyone forgets about the Non-Jews.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

computer parts posted:

What is the difference between freedom of the press and freedom of speech?

Requiring journalists to disclose sources is an attack on the freedom of the press and not freedom of speech for example?

Anyway, even if you take banning the Nazis as a mark against freedom of press, that's still only one point. If that's the only thing limiting the press (rather unlikely) then I think the situation can indeed be considered "good". Especially if you compare it to other countries. The map didn't say that the situation was perfect.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Torrannor posted:

One cannot editorialize on the many benefits of national socialism and why it should definitely be reintroduced, but I think that's not freedom of the press and more freedom of speech.

In that example, the two concepts are nearly the same.

More realistically, RWB is aware of Germany's various censorship laws but didn't think they were important enough to warrant a downgrade to a worse category. Which in turn makes me wonder why the US, France and the UK are in yellow.

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
Canada has so much freedom of the press that it shits all over itself, freely.

Kainser
Apr 27, 2010

O'er the sea from the north
there sails a ship
With the people of Hel
at the helm stands Loki
After the wolf
do wild men follow


A mostly complete map of the French Republic.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Phlegmish posted:

In that example, the two concepts are nearly the same.

More realistically, RWB is aware of Germany's various censorship laws but didn't think they were important enough to warrant a downgrade to a worse category. Which in turn makes me wonder why the US, France and the UK are in yellow.

For the UK, I would imagine a lot of it is from the whole MI5 forcing The Guardian to destroy documents thing after the NSA stories started.

Guessing for the US it's our horrible treatment of leakers and whistleblowers.

Antwan3K
Mar 8, 2013

Phlegmish posted:

I wouldn't bother with Pizza Hut when there are usually better and cheaper pizza places around. There used to be one in central Leuven, but it disappeared a couple of years ago. You don't go to Pizza Hut when you're a college student on a budget.

People only ever go there for the 'buffet' aka unlimited pizza I think

Also, this apparently exists in America? Can someone confirm this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8ViYIeH04

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
From the Reporters without Borders website: http://rsf.org/index2014/en-index2014.php

quote:

INFORMATION SACRIFICED TO NATIONAL SECURITY AND SURVEILLANCE
Countries that pride themselves on being democracies and respecting the rule of law have not set an example, far from it. Freedom of information is too often sacrificed to an overly broad and abusive interpretation of national security needs, marking a disturbing retreat from democratic practices. Investigative journalism often suffers as a result.

This has been the case in the United States (46th), which fell 13 places, one of the most significant declines, amid increased efforts to track down whistleblowers and the sources of leaks. The trial and conviction of Private Bradley Manning and the pursuit of NSA analyst Edward Snowden were warnings to all those thinking of assisting in the disclosure of sensitive information that would clearly be in the public interest.

US journalists were stunned by the Department of Justice’s seizure of Associated Press phone records without warning in order to identify the source of a CIA leak. It served as a reminder of the urgent need for a “shield law” to protect the confidentiality of journalists’ sources at the federal level. The revival of the legislative process is little consolation for James Risen of The New York Times, who is subject to a court order to testify against a former CIA employee accused of leaking classified information. And less still for Barrett Brown, a young freelance journalist facing 105 years in prison in connection with the posting of information that hackers obtained from Statfor, a private intelligence company with close ties to the federal government.

The United Kingdom (33rd, -3) distinguished itself in the war on terror by the disgraceful pressure it put on The Guardian newspaper and by its detention of David Miranda, journalist Glenn Greenwald’s partner and assistant, for nine hours. Both the US and UK authorities seem obsessed with hunting down whistleblowers instead of adopting legislation to rein in abusive surveillance practices that negate privacy, a democratic value cherished in both countries.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Echo Chamber posted:

I remembered how North Korea was usually the worst one in the RWB ranking, but then one year Eritrea managed to beat N.K. for the dubious honor.

:stare: W...w...what did they do?

Lowtechs
Jan 12, 2001
Grimey Drawer

Antwan3K posted:

People only ever go there for the 'buffet' aka unlimited pizza I think

Also, this apparently exists in America? Can someone confirm this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8ViYIeH04

Pizza Hut and Taco Bell are owned by the same company Yum! Brands so yes. Yum! Brands map.

Ditocoaf
Jun 1, 2011

Antwan3K posted:

Also, this apparently exists in America? Can someone confirm this?

[combination pizza hut and taco bell]
Yes, yes it does. You'll also sometimes see one of those chains combined with a KFC. They're all owned by the same corporation called "Yum!".

e: f,b

Basil Hayden
Oct 9, 2012

1921!

Lowtechs posted:

Pizza Hut and Taco Bell are owned by the same company Yum! Brands so yes. Yum! Brands map.



Similarly, there were (are? haven't seen any in a while) combinations with Yum!'s two other former franchises, A&W and Long John Silver's, though those two were mostly just combined with one another.

Dr.Zeppelin
Dec 5, 2003

Basil Hayden posted:

Similarly, there were (are? haven't seen any in a while) combinations with Yum!'s two other former franchises, A&W and Long John Silver's, though those two were mostly just combined with one another.

Yum! divested themselves of those franchises a few years ago.

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

Yum! divested themselves of those franchises a few years ago.

Yum! itself was also owned by PepsiCo until about 1997 when it was spun off.

Kennel
May 1, 2008

BAWWW-UNH!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

:stare: W...w...what did they do?

From Torrantor's link:

quote:

Eritrea – Africa’s biggest prison for journalists

Ever since President Issayas Afeworki closed down all the privately-owned media and jailed 11 journalists in 2001, Eritrea has been Africa’s biggest prison for the media. A total of 28 journalists are currently detained. There are no longer any privately-owned media, and the state media are subject to such close surveillance that they have to conceal entire swathes of contemporary history such as the Arab Spring. Accessing reliable information is impossible in the absence of satellite and Internet connections. A few independent radio stations, such as Radio Erena manage to broadcast from abroad.

quote:

At the other end of the index, the last three positions are again held by Turkmenistan, North Korea and Eritrea, three countries where freedom of information is non-existent. Despite occasional turbulence in the past year, these countries continue to be news and information black holes and living hells for the journalists who inhabit them.

Echo Chamber
Oct 16, 2008

best username/post combo
Yeah, Eritrea is still ranked the worst in 2014. I remember it being that way 5 years ago, but I thought it was just a one-year thing.

You rarely hear about Eritrea in the news... well for reasons now more obvious than ever.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



"Worse than North Korea" is a hell of an accolade and although I've seen Eritrea ranked worst before, it still blows my mind.

Mu Cow
Oct 26, 2003

Lowtechs posted:

Pizza Hut and Taco Bell are owned by the same company Yum! Brands so yes. Yum! Brands map.



That map is incorrect. The map on the Yum! Brand website is different http://www.yum.com/company/map.asp

I only noticed because I've been to KFC and Pizza Hut in South Korea. Although, as it turns out, Pizza Hut Korea is not owned by Yum! Brands, only KFC.

duckmaster
Sep 13, 2004
Mr and Mrs Duck go and stay in a nice hotel.

One night they call room service for some condoms as things are heating up.

The guy arrives and says "do you want me to put it on your bill"

Mr Duck says "what kind of pervert do you think I am?!

QUACK QUACK

Disco Infiva posted:

I can just see it now:

"Prime Minister has issued a statement where he acknowledges the government efforts to increase freedom of press and information in our country, and has already requested Namibian government to send a team of experts as advisers".

Please tell us more about how black people can't possibly know how to run a democracy :allears:

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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Finally, someone has the courage to stand up to notorious white supremacist Disco Infiva.

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