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This isn't laziness though, they reused this shot because a stuntwoman was severely injured while filming the one they where going to use and didn't have enough time to reshoot. 
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Kennel posted:From the schadenfreude thread I love these kinds of theme park mishaps
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Jul 27, 2014 15:26
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Booga posted:This isn't laziness though, they reused this shot because a stuntwoman was severely injured while filming the one they where going to use and didn't have enough time to reshoot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI8RPO87vSc
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:Even big-budget animated movies do this. Not to the extent of TV cartoons, but it still happens quite a bit. Getting the multiple layers of each character to line up is a bitch to. I can't recall a single scene I worked on where the layers matched up perfectly and needed no work. Every scenes needs loads of massaging in the ink & paint process as well as final editing. Also some (all?) cgi characters have walk and run cycles that are usually some exact number of frames long. If there is a longer scene with uniform camera motion where the characters stay still relative to the camera, and you always advance exactly X frames, it will look like the characters are sliding across the scenery at a fast pace. e: Ghostlight posted:He-Man is amazing for re-used frames. I think He-Man has like five different ways of entering a scene, tops. He-Man strides in from side. He-Man leaps down from top. He-Man rolls for some reason. I can't even name more than that because watching it as an adult you just get numb to the number of times someone walks in from the side of the frame before standing and talking, or the sheer number of times He-Man has to leap down from above. It would be amazing to have access to their cel library. My favorite animation has always been "He-Man runs toward the camera and punches it" Wheany has a new favorite as of 15:40 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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Booga posted:This isn't laziness though, they reused this shot because a stuntwoman was severely injured while filming the one they where going to use and didn't have enough time to reshoot.           
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Half way through this gif I was sure/hoping/fearing that Megatron was about to mount marble Lincoln.
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Wheany posted:I love these kinds of theme park mishaps 
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eeldvark posted:Half way through this gif I was sure/hoping/fearing that Megatron was about to mount marble Lincoln. Now I want to see that, too. If it wasn't 4am on a Monday morning, I'd make it for you.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Turns out they were right, a lot of these cartoons were literally traced and reused crap over and over. Even disney reused a lot of frames from older films for things like the dancing scene in Beauty and the Beast being the same frames as the one from Sleeping Beauty. Turns out animation is hard and expensive, there's no point spending loads doing something that someone already animated well before, just use that. Hannh-Barbera did turn it into an art form though 
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Forti posted:Even disney reused a lot of frames from older films for things like the dancing scene in Beauty and the Beast being the same frames as the one from Sleeping Beauty.        I think it's more fascinating than anything else.
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Jul 27, 2014 19:33
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IIRC The Lion King also frame-by-frame copied sections from a Japanese animation with a similar theme...
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Hirayuki posted:Then this one's for you: Haha, you're right 
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Booga posted:This isn't laziness though, they reused this shot because a stuntwoman was severely injured while filming the one they where going to use and didn't have enough time to reshoot. Perhaps, but it stands as a bizarre instance of a director ripping himself off ripping someone else off. BAYCEPTION
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thespaceinvader posted:IIRC The Lion King also frame-by-frame copied sections from a Japanese animation with a similar theme...
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Palpek posted:Disney reused a TON.
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Well, they've already got a smooth animation laid out in those frames, so with a little editing they still get that smoothness without starting from scratch. Plus it means they don't have to worry about fine details such as facial expression or the way the tail moves while they're animating. Then again there are a few changes, look at the differences between the Baloo and Little John dances. The Orangutan slaps the ground as he dances, whereas the chicken does not. I'm actually pretty impressed by their copying frames, never would have spotted it if it hadn't have been pointed out.
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CampingCarl posted:It looks like it would be almost as much work to edit an existing frame into a new one as it would be to just make a new one from scratch. Is this due to material costs or something rather than laziness? They filmed real people doing those moves and then blew them up and redrew them painstakingly frame by frame in furry form. I'm sure it was waaay easier to copy the guy who already got the drawings down then to do that over again.
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CampingCarl posted:It looks like it would be almost as much work to edit an existing frame into a new one as it would be to just make a new one from scratch. Is this due to material costs or something rather than laziness?
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CampingCarl posted:It looks like it would be almost as much work to edit an existing frame into a new one as it would be to just make a new one from scratch. Is this due to material costs or something rather than laziness? I think a lot of those may not have been copied from each other, but rather both working from the same reference shoot (or straight up the same rotoscope material). Disney did a lot of those live action references, and for complicated movements like dancing, it's easier to use something that's already on file if you don't have the budget or time to shoot a unique dance.       edit: sort of beaten BUT I HAVE GIFS
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Those prop signs in the background are amazing.
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Booga posted:This isn't laziness though, they reused this shot because a stuntwoman was severely injured while filming the one they where going to use and didn't have enough time to reshoot.
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oval office raja posted:Utopia, Channel 4 series Just marathoned the first season based solely on this post. Great show, thanks.
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There's also a major difference between "yeah we put a gently caress ton of effort into making this look good then changed the details and reused the old base once or twice" and "we reused literally the same 5 frames of animation rough 5,000 times." I had no idea Disney did that until somebody pointed it out and, all told, it's still top notch animation. Reusing old animations with new characters like that still takes a lot of effort. Disney always paid a lot of attention to everything going on in the scene. It looked more alive because, well, just look at those dancing gifs. With the exception of the royal wedding scenes where it makes sense for everybody to stand around not moving there's lots of stuff going on. Compare that to...uh...this. The only thing moving is Skeletor's arm. The panther just stand there and doesn't even breathe. Looks like a statue. Then you have this sort of thing. He-Man is making this awkward squatting motion where his hair stays perfectly still like a helmet. His facial expression is totally static and it looks like his hands, as well as much of his body, is just copy/pasted.  But we know that He-Man doesn't suffer from helmet hair because his golden locks flow in the wind whenever there is wind but...uh...look at She Ra's hair.  It literally stops moving. Not only that but the part of the unicorn's mane that she is holding onto is apparently not attached to the mane at all. Most of her and He-Man are completely static. The mane also somehow manages to, all at once, completely defy the wind that was otherwise blowing it backwards and fall back down over its neck, all at the same time. And how often did we see Skeletor do this?  Oh, right.  Practically every episode. This show led to a toy company making literally billions of dollars. edit: I'm a dummy, that was She Ra. I really, really should know that. ToxicSlurpee has a new favorite as of 22:08 on Jul 27, 2014 |
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I was going to say they really look like Mr. Olympia contender Kai Greene, but Kai Greene himself beat me to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7uodxedx9c
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If there isn't already at least one Youtube video featuring every single instance of a particular recycled animation from He-Man, there should be.
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Rayjenkins posted:Before I forget, is this CGI or practical effects? You want to know the "how", I would really like to know the "why".
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scalded schlong posted:You want to know the "how", I would really like to know the "why". Because Hulk smash
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Rayjenkins posted:Before I forget, is this CGI or practical effects? CG because that's clearly camera warp going on with hulk's dick 
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ToxicSlurpee posted:And how often did we see Skeletor do this? Look man, Skeletor likes jerking off invisible dicks. It's his thing.
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His body's not the only thing that's blue.
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scalded schlong posted:You want to know the "how", I would really like to know the "why". 
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Disney Animation Studios was also keeping barely afloat in the Sword in the Stone/Robin Hood era. They were a skeleton crew. I'm sure they'd have been happy to have been doing all their work from the ground-up, but it wasn't feasible. They went nearly bankrupt with Sleeping Beauty, and it took a long time to recover. 
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 Not just western cartoons doing it. My favorite show for reused animation was the old spiderman cartoon. Any montage of web-swinging would just be the same 3 or 4 animations played in sequence a few times in a row.
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Aren't both of those also shot-for-shot from a Bruce Lee movie?
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 Jackie Chan. You racist. There's also a Boondocks/Naruto one that I can't for the life of me figure out how to upload. kinmik has a new favorite as of 00:53 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Codependent Poster posted:Look man, Skeletor likes jerking off invisible dicks. It's his thing.  I'LL GET YOU YET HE-MAN
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So, is there more of HULK SMASH? 
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Chard posted:So these are from that new-ish version I didn't know about? Guess kids will watch anything. I'm not a huge fan of the animation, but its actually a pretty good show
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