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KittyEmpress posted:I don't know man, you could have easily played him up as being a moral vigilante. Make him Dinosaur Batman instead of Dinosaur Punisher. I kinda disagree on this point. Dinosaur Batman doesn't work in Omega, Omega HAS no authorities, it's pretty much Dinosaur Punisher or bust. And even Dinosaur Punisher nearly got killed. The whole reason he came to Omega in the first place was, like he said, he stayed on the Citadel for quite a while busting crime the legit way but a lot of the worst elements of Citadel crime originated on Omega, in the merc gangs. So he decided to go after the source rather than treat the symptoms. It's not a completely unreasonable stance.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Yeah, I think the writers didn't think enough people would actually choose that option to write too much unique dialogue for it. None of your companions care that you do it at all, not even Wynne. Even Morrigan understands that shocking him into wanting to be King and a political creature is the only way to make his bid work, and she doesn't understand what a handshake is. Although I was disappointed that if you bring her to the Landsmeet and Alistar grumpily agreed to marry Anora and spare Loghain that she didn't thank the Warden for bringing her to the greatest show on Thedas. I can accept BioWare having no guts to write in bitter political reality after blowing their load on either noble outcomes scheming their way into being royalty, but come the gently caress on. The Landsmeet is just this blackhole in which no opinions are apparently made because "the Battle of Denerim is coming up soon so who cares at this point?".
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Captain Oblivious posted:I kinda disagree on this point. Dinosaur Batman doesn't work in Omega, Omega HAS no authorities, it's pretty much Dinosaur Punisher or bust. And even Dinosaur Punisher nearly got killed. It's been a long while since I played ME2 but I don't remember them even bothering to address his backslide. Like, it's not that hard to have written some interactions for Paragon-import that show how he lost faith in the system, is it?
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Shugojin posted:It's been a long while since I played ME2 but I don't remember them even bothering to address his backslide. Like, it's not that hard to have written some interactions for Paragon-import that show how he lost faith in the system, is it? He has one line if you had been Paragon about it in ME1, stating that he went back to C-Sec after the Battle of the Citadel but they were so busy with recovery from the battle that they didn't have a use for a guy whose specialty is efficiently killing people in a variety of interesting ways, leading Garrus to head out to Omega to do some good with his particular skill set.
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Just slightly getting back to topic.. err Does anyone have any screenshots of the Class Skill tree's? I mean i played as a mage in Dragon age 2.. And the specialization was.. poo poo... Gravity mage.. Blood mage or healer.. So yeah.. Gravity was a given and if i felt morally wronged to go blood mage when your trying to stop blood magic >.>
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Zyntherius posted:Just slightly getting back to topic.. err Blood Mage was only good in DA2 if you specifically specced for sustains and the used your health for damage spells, because unlike DA  DA2 Blood Mage takes up 70% of available mana.Forcemage is probably best since it locks down everthing that isn't elite.
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Zyntherius posted:Just slightly getting back to topic.. err Bloodmage was kinda boring to me. From what I remember it was mostly passives and auras, wasn't it?
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Jul 27, 2014 20:14
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I seem to remember given how difficult it is to get in DA:O, it's a bit lame for the supposed ultimate forbidden power that warrants locking all the mages in a big tower. I was hoping to become the emo lich king and destroy the world with the power of self harm, and all I got was some naff spell tree. Pfffff.
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That's because almost every other power mages could do is currently lost because the Chantry screamed blood magic. The poo poo current or Ancient Tvinters can get up to may be the more impressive kind the narrative never shuts up about, but what we've seen is what western chantry raised folk can come up with on the fly and powered only by their own blood. If they actually studied this poo poo and had legions of brainwashed blood bags to use, then maybe we'd see some evil magic.
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Jul 27, 2014 21:06
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 Screenshot of an elven female mage from twitter. I think it looks good.
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Leelee posted:
It looks like they have better face tattoo customization options. I really hated the "full face tribal" tattos the Dalish had going on. Crabtree posted:That's because almost every other power mages could do is currently lost because the Chantry screamed blood magic. The poo poo current or Ancient Tvinters can get up to may be the more impressive kind the narrative never shuts up about, but what we've seen is what western chantry raised folk can come up with on the fly and powered only by their own blood. If they actually studied this poo poo and had legions of brainwashed blood bags to use, then maybe we'd see some evil magic. Tevinter would pretty much steam roll the Chantry and the rest of Thedas if they weren't engaged in a 300 year ongoing war. Even after a few decades Avernus managed to seriously improve the ancient blood magic of the Grey Wardens rituals. If the Chantry didn't murder constantly mages at the mere suspicion of blood magic not only would they have a lot more mages they'd probably have worked out ways to use blood magic for something other then "THE WORLD HATES ME KILL ALL NON MAGE SCUM". It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure Fenris mentions how the Magisters would keep a steady supply of slaves to drain to recharge their power/boost their spells.
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That looks fuckin' rad. I was a bit worried with the female bearded Qunari.
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pentyne posted:It looks like they have better face tattoo customization options. I really hated the "full face tribal" tattos the Dalish had going on. Blood Magic enables mind control. Not an acceptable risk.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Blood Magic enables mind control. Not an acceptable risk. True, but the Chantry does take their apprehension into pure paranoia. The Codex says they're stifling basic science and anatomical research like dissection because they're terrified that it could be used by blood mages. That's what happens when paranoia and prejudice gets mixed up with dogma: ignorance and stagnation become enforced ideals.
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Geostomp posted:True, but the Chantry does take their apprehension into pure paranoia. The Codex says they're stifling basic science and anatomical research like dissection because they're terrified that it could be used by blood mages. That's what happens when paranoia and prejudice gets mixed up with dogma: ignorance and stagnation become enforced ideals. You know that happened in real life right Without any magic involved at all
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So, when I played DA:O, I seem to remember the chantry were just regular old godbotherers. Bit stuffy, bit overly obsessed with magic sky people, but not overt assholes as a rule. So have they literally become the Spanish Inquisition at this point? Is that what the title refers to? If so, way to jump off the deep end with your fantasy writing.
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OwlFancier posted:So, when I played DA:O, I seem to remember the chantry were just regular old godbotherers. Bit stuffy, bit overly obsessed with magic sky people, but not overt assholes as a rule. No. The Inquisition is a semi-secular organization formed to take international action in response to the Fade rifts. It has only a loose connection to the Chantry.
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Captain Oblivious posted:You know that happened in real life right Except not really. Unless you're the sort of person who thinks that "the dark ages" is a good appellation.
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Nichael posted:No. The Inquisition is a semi-secular organization formed to take international action in response to the Fade rifts. It has only a loose connection to the Chantry. Ah, well there's that at least. Still, I don't remember the chantry being that big of a bunch of bellends in the first game. But then I didn't play the second.
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OwlFancier posted:Ah, well there's that at least. I think it's more that the Ferelden chantry is pretty chill, but the institution varies elsewhere.
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OwlFancier posted:So, when I played DA:O, I seem to remember the chantry were just regular old godbotherers. Bit stuffy, bit overly obsessed with magic sky people, but not overt assholes as a rule. The Inquisition was the precursor to the Templars in the early days of the Chantry. What they did isn't really known since so many rumors existed. Now that the Templars have gone rogue and Fade tears are opening, the current Divine has re-established the organization to figure out how to respond to the situation. She basically gave them resources and a mission, then left them to their own devices since the situation is so dire that even a risk as big letting a private army loose is acceptable if it means getting world back under control. Captain Oblivious posted:You know that happened in real life right Yes, in some cases, but that doesn't make it right. The Chantry has slightly more logic behind the decision than the old Catholic Church (who actually did authorize and fund scientific study, making them more reasonable), but that doesn't change the fact that they're holding the world back through their restrictive policies. The fact that they retard medical science only makes them more dependent on mages, which reinforces their hypocritical system of borderline enslavement.
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OwlFancier posted:Ah, well there's that at least. Basically, the Templers, under the nominal authority of the Chantry but not really, have decided to just go "gently caress it" and start hunting down and exterminating all mages. Not all of the Templers mind you, just a vast majority of them.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Yeah, I think the writers didn't think enough people would actually choose that option to write too much unique dialogue for it. None of your companions care that you do it at all, not even Wynne. Surprisingly quite a bit of dialogue in the Hardened Alistair becomes King/Loghain becomes a Gray Warden bit though. Especially if you've romanced Alistair. I'm really hoping Loghain comes back if you've kept him alive/recruit the Gray Wardens. I want him somewhere in my keep bitching about how my Inquisitor isn't up to snuff compared to his old comrades Maric/the Warden.
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Rookersh posted:Surprisingly quite a bit of dialogue in the Hardened Alistair becomes King/Loghain becomes a Gray Warden bit though. Especially if you've romanced Alistair. I bet if Loghain is alive you have to kill him after attacking the grey warden fort he was in charge of.
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Rookersh posted:I'm really hoping Loghain comes back if you've kept him alive/recruit the Gray Wardens.
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Raygereio posted:The voice-over director apparently tweeted a while back that she was hanging out with Simon Templeman, so I'd say it's a save bet Loghain will show up somewhere. Or that he'll just do a bunch of voice lines unrelated to Loghain. That guy gets a lot of work.
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pentyne posted:Or that he'll just do a bunch of voice lines unrelated to Loghain. That guy gets a lot of work. Especially in anything set in Ye Olden Dayes.
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Geostomp posted:The Inquisition was the precursor to the Templars in the early days of the Chantry. What they did isn't really known since so many rumors existed. Effectively the Inquisition before the Templars could be like the Spanish Inquisition everyone remembers when they think of the word and thus it was put down to form more controllable church police of the Templars - if only because of their Lyrium addiction. However, by the time of DA:I it isn't just the Templars that have been cut off, Lord Seeker Lambert declared the Neverran accord off and basically said both the Seekers and Templars are no longer under the control of the Chantry. The Divine/Pope has lost both her military and intelligence network with one fell swoop during the Mage-Templar war and whatever of those still loyal to the Church are basically just Cassandra Pentaghast and her men at this point. The Divine doesn't have the forces or authority to even call an Exalted March and so she's playing the only move she has left in the face of the Fade itself swallowing the world whole, call an Inquisition. Cass is there as the only means the Chantry has to reign in the Inquisition and even that is a bit of a double edged sword as the more popular the Inquisition can get, the worse position a weaker church would be in going against the only hope of repairing the fade. If BioWare is smart it will take this opportunity to make other nations try to court a more secular future out of the Inquisitor, but I'm not holding my breath. It'd also be great to actually see the DA version of Galileo Galilei literally locked away in a tower for the Heresy of astrology just to see Captain Oblivious react to it. Or maybe see actual frontier surgeons being shut down by angry mobs and/or revered mothers not because of how likely their Medieval healing kills more than it saves, but "because they could be practicing blood magic".
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Is it possible that in Dragon age Inquisition that if you encounter dwarves and they mention paragons That you can ask about your grey warden from DA:O Who was so badass that they decided to call him a Paragon in honour of his achievements? Because that kinda pissed me off in DA:Awakening.. It's like.. You talk to the dwarf folk and they're like "Oh.. You're just the grey warden".. Not "HOLY poo poo A loving LEGENDARY PARAGON IS TALKING TO ME!" >.> I loved that dwarven bastard .. and he got no credit after DA:O
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Crabtree posted:Effectively the Inquisition before the Templars could be like the Spanish Inquisition everyone remembers when they think of the word and thus it was put down to form more controllable church police of the Templars - if only because of their Lyrium addiction. However, by the time of DA:I it isn't just the Templars that have been cut off, Lord Seeker Lambert declared the Neverran accord off and basically said both the Seekers and Templars are no longer under the control of the Chantry. The Divine/Pope has lost both her military and intelligence network with one fell swoop during the Mage-Templar war and whatever of those still loyal to the Church are basically just Cassandra Pentaghast and her men at this point. The Divine doesn't have the forces or authority to even call an Exalted March and so she's playing the only move she has left in the face of the Fade itself swallowing the world whole, call an Inquisition. The story says that the original Inquisition is remembered in a lot of conflicting stories. Some say they were as rabid as the actual Inquisition, some say they were fair-minded heroes trying to keep mages and normal people safe, and others that they were basically tyrants. Nobody has the full truth, but they all know and respect the name which is why Divine Justina re-created the organization as her only real option now that the Chantry has been officially rendered toothless by losing both the Circle and the Templars/Seekers. The boilerplate reason for the new organzation being able to do whatever they want is because things are so out of control that Justina doesn't want any sort of pre-established loyalty to interfere with their search for who or what is responsible for the Fade tears and get Thedas back under control. Cassandra and Leliana's force are about all the Chantry control that the organization has and they're basically just advisers. Justina knows they could blow up in her face, but she's out of better options with everything falling apart. Everybody else realizes the massive opportunity the new Inquisition would give them, so they're all ready to try to court them to their side or crush them if they become a threat. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Crabtree posted:If BioWare is smart it will take this opportunity to make other nations try to court a more secular future out of the Inquisitor, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Drifter posted:Bloodmage was kinda boring to me. From what I remember it was mostly passives and auras, wasn't it? I actually had a lot of fun building a Spirit Healer/Force Mage pacifist Hawke. If you take just the powers that can be used while Healing Aura is on, you still have all of Force Mage's best abilities except the one damaging move, all but one spell from Arcane, all of Creation, and two abilities from Spirit, which is plenty to build with and makes for great support. Sure the only damage you'll get from Hawke is her auto-attack, but that's why you bring a rogue and Fenris.
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Can't remember if it was this thread or gamers.txt but someone posted someone doing a blind playthrough of ME2 and they got Tali killed and people freaked out because it wasn't the optimal way to play. Is it possible to make the "choices and consequences" not result in a single optimal way to play the story so as to actually encourage multiple playthroughs with different choices? Or would it defeat the small level of consequences that the games do have by just letting you get whatever result regardless?
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The notion of "optimal" is kind of at odds with the notion of a choice-based story. Like, if Tali dies you can't unite the geth and quarians on Rannoch in ME3, but isn't that an interesting and worthwhile story in itself, the story of two societies being unable to reconcile with one another? A bitter or tragic conclusion to an arc can be just as interesting as a happy one.
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I'm fine with no win scenarios and will frequently not reload in games even if there is an "optimal" route but apparently i play video games wrong because everyone else i know just needed to grind out that perfect playthough of mass effect in time for the next game.
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Uncle Wemus posted:Can't remember if it was this thread or gamers.txt but someone posted someone doing a blind playthrough of ME2 and they got Tali killed and people freaked out because it wasn't the optimal way to play. Is it possible to make the "choices and consequences" not result in a single optimal way to play the story so as to actually encourage multiple playthroughs with different choices? Or would it defeat the small level of consequences that the games do have by just letting you get whatever result regardless? Not really because everyone will still have their ideal ending they want to achieve. I guess in theory the one where you save everything is the 'best' ending but maybe some of the people you met were dickheads and the world would be better off without them? Maybe you don't want waifu romance in your game and you just want to be the cheery space marine who blows stuff up and saves the world. Maybe you want to be a dick to everyone and go maximum renegade. Optimal is relative. It's odd, really, in choice based games the 'optimal' path is usually equivalent to reading a CYOA book and figuring out how to read as many pages as possible before you finish it.
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The problem is more that the game tells you "THIS IS THE GOOD ENDING!". Alpha Protocol had proper choices because there was no "golden" ending. It ended almost the same every way you did it.
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Calax posted:The problem is more that the game tells you "THIS IS THE GOOD ENDING!". That actually doesn't sound like a recommendable quality to me, though many the good things to be said about Alpha Protocol may be.
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Calax posted:The problem is more that the game tells you "THIS IS THE GOOD ENDING!". Tell the game to get bent? It's what I usually do. Also yeah the game being almost exactly the same whatever you do would probably put me off a choice based game.
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