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Powershift posted:2015 Ford F-150 4x2 SuperCrew 3.5L V-6: 4475 pounds Is that the new all-aluminum F150? I think it's great, even though one of my favorite radio hosts can be a bit  about the safety of aluminum bodied cars.
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Yeah. Then again, who gives a poo poo about safety when we could see a $25,000 factory pickup that can hit 60mph in 5 seconds flat.
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Jul 27, 2014 00:41
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YF19pilot posted:Is that the new all-aluminum F150? I think it's great, even though one of my favorite radio hosts can be a bit I still think the biggest concern is going to be repairing them. Yeah, the ones getting used for legit work requiring a truck aren't going to care, but those people are in the minority any more. Those parking lot dings are going to add up.
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Jul 27, 2014 01:00
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It's possibly also a net road safety improvement, even if less safe for the truck drivers themselves.
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Jul 27, 2014 02:50
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fknlo posted:I still think the biggest concern is going to be repairing them. Yeah, the ones getting used for legit work requiring a truck aren't going to care, but those people are in the minority any more. Those parking lot dings are going to add up. I think this has been talked about before; the weight savings of aluminum ought to let them make the panels thicker to be more resistant to parking lot dings.
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Jul 27, 2014 03:04
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fknlo posted:I still think the biggest concern is going to be repairing them. Yeah, the ones getting used for legit work requiring a truck aren't going to care, but those people are in the minority any more. Those parking lot dings are going to add up. Who cares about dings when you don't have a rusty blob of a frame after ten years in the salt belt? Then again, galvanic corrosion is gonna suck after some Carstar tard uses a mild steel washer during your fender replacement...
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Jul 27, 2014 03:54
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Is it possible aluminum could go industry wide? No rust ever again would be sick.
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Jul 27, 2014 03:55
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sudo rm -rf posted:Is it possible aluminum could go industry wide? No rust ever again would be sick. That's certainly the direction it's headed.
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Jul 27, 2014 03:57
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Alu "rusts" as well. Not in the way steel or iron does, but it's not impervious to it.quote:There is a common misconception among that aluminum’s corrosion resistance is similar to that of stainless steel. This is incorrect. In locations that are exposed to chlorides (coastal or deicing salt), the corrosion rate of aluminum is typically 10 to 100 times that of stainless steel. The white to grayish white color of aluminum corrosion product may not bring attention to the problem (as the rusting red of steel does), until permanent aesthetic or structural damage has been done. This lack of knowledge makes aluminum a common replacement for stainless steel when construction costs must be reduced.
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Jul 27, 2014 04:04
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check out mid 2000's Ford Explorer hoods and decklids
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Jul 27, 2014 04:18
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Yeah the deicing fluid they use here in the Seattle area is bad for aluminum.
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Jul 27, 2014 04:20
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YF19pilot posted:Is that the new all-aluminum F150? I think it's great, even though one of my favorite radio hosts can be a bit In most crash types involving a body on frame truck it's the frame that carries most of the hit and the frame of the new F-150 is still steel. In addition, an aluminum body can be (And I hope/assume has been) made more than sturdy enough to protect occupants in a rollover. Beyond the fact that it's completely technically feasible to make a super-safe aluminum vehicle these trucks still have to pass the same safety tests that every other truck does, worrying about the safety of "aluminum" is loving stupid and those concerns can be dismissed out of hand. If the new F-150 isn't the safest truck on the road it's because Ford hosed up, not because ~~*aluminum*~~ sudo rm -rf posted:Is it possible aluminum could go industry wide? No rust ever again would be sick. Yes, right about the time everything is full electric or hybrid. Aluminum and composites are the future but it's a ways off yet for mainstream vehicles, though I personally believe that the best-selling truck/vehicle in North America being built with an all-aluminum body will help expedite the process of getting supply chains, tooling technology and recycling capacity up to the point that aluminum becomes a feasible alternative to steel in mainstream applications. fknlo posted:I still think the biggest concern is going to be repairing them. Yeah, the ones getting used for legit work requiring a truck aren't going to care, but those people are in the minority any more. Those parking lot dings are going to add up. Most body panels aren't repaired anymore, they get replaced for anything beyond a tiny dent. For paint scratches the process shouldn't be substantially different and in fact won't be necessary at all for anything but cosmetic reasons due to the manner in which aluminum oxidizes. In addition, and it's been mentioned, with the significantly decreased mass of aluminum the manufacturer can and hopefully has created thicker than normal body panels which will actually be more dent-resistant. My only concern regarding the aluminum F-150 as a potential buyer would be galvanic corrosion, either due to a fuckup by Ford engineers or by a repair shop down the road.
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Jul 27, 2014 04:38
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There are plenty of pictures of newer Mustangs with quite corroded hoods, but you'd hope Ford will have it figured out before putting it on their most popular vehicle.
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Jul 27, 2014 04:53
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Audi posted the S3 on their website. I'm looking to lease something fun so hopefully I'll be able to find one on a lot in a couple of months without a huge markup. http://www.audiusa.com/models/audi-s3-sedan
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Jul 27, 2014 05:02
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Amazingly, the S3 is only $44k in canada. That's $7200 less than the 335i, and $5800 less than the CLA 45 AMG. Even $995 less than the STI sport-tech package.
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Jul 27, 2014 05:07
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Well to be honest the STI is more attractive price wise and probably reliability wise as well, but the interior of the A3 and S3 just look so great. I'm guessing that price gap is pretty rare?
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Jul 27, 2014 05:14
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My only concern with the aluminum F-150: can you buy it without paint or with just a clearcoat? because that would be awesome
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Jul 27, 2014 05:22
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Powershift posted:Amazingly, the S3 is only $44k in canada. That's $7200 less than the 335i, and $5800 less than the CLA 45 AMG. Even $995 less than the STI sport-tech package. Eh, the M235 is 45k and has more power and is RWD and doesn't look like a 10 year old Jetta. I understand it has 2 doors, one assumes they'll come out with a 4 door eventually. Let me surf over to the MB site to see about the  
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Jul 27, 2014 07:05
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Well the back seats are practically useless for a normal size human being so why not?
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Jul 27, 2014 08:02
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tobu posted:I was telling someone the other day that I thought Ford was going to struggle to make the next Falcon look good next to the sparkly VF commodore but I think they managed it. Still, looks like generic Falcon around the middle though. No atmo six? Interesting. It's the last model of Falcon, which is sad to see
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Jul 27, 2014 10:40
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tobu posted:I was telling someone the other day that I thought Ford was going to struggle to make the next Falcon look good next to the sparkly VF commodore but I think they managed it. Still, looks like generic Falcon around the middle though. If this hood design is over a SC 5L V8 then I think it looks fantastic, but that hood design over a turbo 4 cylinder is stupid. I know thats a pedantic complaint but the lines of the hood seem like they're trying to tell the story of having to be raised up in the center to clear something and the story is fiction if it's not a big block. This is coming from someone with a 2L turbo H4. e: what am I saying, we all know when you lift that hood it'll just be a flat piece of black plastic with grey accents no matter which motor is in there.
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VelociBacon posted:If this hood design is over a SC 5L V8 then I think it looks fantastic, but that hood design over a turbo 4 cylinder is stupid. I know thats a pedantic complaint but the lines of the hood seem like they're trying to tell the story of having to be raised up in the center to clear something and the story is fiction if it's not a big block. This is coming from someone with a 2L turbo H4. Looks like that one is specific to the XR8 - the XR6 has a more reasonable looking hood 
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Glad to see the new Honda/Acura NSX is keeping up with Lamborghini. 
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Jul 27, 2014 12:54
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Wheeee posted:In most crash types involving a body on frame truck it's the frame that carries most of the hit and the frame of the new F-150 is still steel. In addition, an aluminum body can be (And I hope/assume has been) made more than sturdy enough to protect occupants in a rollover. Beyond the fact that it's completely technically feasible to make a super-safe aluminum vehicle these trucks still have to pass the same safety tests that every other truck does, worrying about the safety of "aluminum" is loving stupid and those concerns can be dismissed out of hand. If the new F-150 isn't the safest truck on the road it's because Ford hosed up, not because ~~*aluminum*~~ Trust me, I think it's funny more than anything else. I know about aluminum and its strengths, just pointing out the sort of nonsense that is out there. And as an engineer myself I know that you would design to the materials you're using. Besides, if one really needed proof that aluminum can be safe and strong, those armored cars (well, trucks) that are used by Loomis, Brinks, etc, are actually aluminum bodied.
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Wheeee posted:Most body panels aren't repaired anymore, they get replaced for anything beyond a tiny dent. For paint scratches the process shouldn't be substantially different and in fact won't be necessary at all for anything but cosmetic reasons due to the manner in which aluminum oxidizes. In addition, and it's been mentioned, with the significantly decreased mass of aluminum the manufacturer can and hopefully has created thicker than normal body panels which will actually be more dent-resistant. Not really, no. The break even on repair vs replacement is usually several hours of repair. Unless its something highly exotic like CF, repair is the first option.
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Jul 27, 2014 13:27
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You think they will make a sport version of the f150 with the v8, short bed, single cab, quicker steering ratio, and sporty lower trim? Be kinda cool to have sport trucks back again in the smaller size but a tuned v8 doing sub 5 0-60 would be hot too. Still miss the s10 and colorado zq8 packages, shame they never got the 5.3L option in a single cab.
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There is the Tremor, but it only has the ecoboost V6 and I don't think the steering is any quicker. I bet the aluminum version will be awesome though. e: Guess not. http://www.autonews.com/article/20140114/OEM04/140119780/ford-to-drop-f-150-tremor-from-truck-lineup 
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Christobevii3 posted:You think they will make a sport version of the f150 with the v8, short bed, single cab, quicker steering ratio, and sporty lower trim? Be kinda cool to have sport trucks back again in the smaller size but a tuned v8 doing sub 5 0-60 would be hot too. Still miss the s10 and colorado zq8 packages, shame they never got the 5.3L option in a single cab. If they do another tremor, sub 5 second 0-60 is entirely possible. As it is, it might be possible with the base model v8 which looks like it will have roughly the same power and weight as a challenger r/t. exhaust, intercooler and 93 octane tune on the 3.5 gets you to 350whp from a stock 280.
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Jul 27, 2014 20:34
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I dunno if it was mentioned before, but Alfa have made the much cleaner-looking headlights from the Spider an option on the 4C, fixing pretty much the only thing wrong with it.
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KozmoNaut posted:I dunno if it was mentioned before, but Alfa have made the much cleaner-looking headlights from the Spider an option on the 4C, fixing pretty much the only thing wrong with it. Oh god I see that lotus flower thing.
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Jul 28, 2014 15:45
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Polaris announced their new trike, the Slingshot this week. Kind of a cross between a T-Rex and a KTM X-Bow. It's using a 2.4l Ecotec engine. Basically the drivetrain out of a Solstice/Sky. Putting down around 175hp to the single rear wheel through a carbon fiber reinforced drive belt. I was under a pretty strict NDA until now. I got to drive one of these about 6 months ago on a local track and had a blast in it. It's an open cockpit and will be considered a motorcycle in most places. The marketing research firm required us to wear helmets but in Texas we don't have a helmet law and that'd be unnecessary. The little windshield is optional but if I were buying, it'd be a must-have. I got to drive one with and one without the windshield and it makes a big difference in the buffeting. I suppose if you have to wear a helmet then it'd be unneeded. It's very spartan inside the base model. Seat, steering wheel and controls, gear stick, TC disable button and that's about it. It does have traction control that can be fully disabled should you desire. List price on the base model is just $19,999. They'd said they were shooting for sub-$20K on the base model, and sub $25K on the upgraded one, and they made good on that. I really need to get a bigger garage. Oh, and more money for toys. I'll need that too. http://www.polaris.com/en-us/slingshot
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Who cares about dings when you do have a rusty blob of a frame after ten years in the salt belt?  Aha, I see you've played Landy-Rovery before! (The ability of British manufacturers to hide rust-prone steel structural components behind/under rust-free fibreglass or aluminium panelwork is the bane of "well it looked good in the pictures" ebay purchases) InitialDave fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Kill-9 posted:Polaris announced their new trike, the Slingshot this week. Kind of a cross between a T-Rex and a KTM X-Bow. It's using a 2.4l Ecotec engine. Basically the drivetrain out of a Solstice/Sky. How much is a cheap ariel atom? This seems very cool but 20k is kinda expensive to me. EDIT: drat atoms start at like 50k.
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Xguard86 posted:How much is a cheap ariel atom? This seems very cool but 20k is kinda expensive to me. And the T-Rex is around, I believe, $50K and the X-Bow is $90K. I think Polaris came in way below their competitors with a pretty decent product. Now is there room in that market? I dunno. It's not a daily driver, that's for sure. No A/C or heating(other than the seats maybe?). No roof either. Time will tell. I liked it well enough but also know that it'd suck to drive for a few months of the year in most places of the country(be it too hot or too cold) other than the coastal areas of SoCal.
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quote:Infotainment Center Kit - Display, Radio, Speakers, Back-up Camera Oh good, a backup camera, no bumping into telephone poles with the back of your head! Not that I'm blaming them or anything since obviously drivetrain development is serious business, but I sure could think of any number of better drivetrains than a 2.4l Chevy engine with a transmission from a Hummer. That thing with an RX8 rotary would be interesting.
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That slingshot is loving perfect, and I'm buying one for sure. It will suck something fierce in the summer months (I live in Palm Springs), but who gives a poo poo? I've been looking to buy a cheap and fun bullshit car for a while now. Something completely impractical and stupid that I can take out to get away from the kids. This is absolutely perfect. I guess this means I need to get a motorcycle license... eyebeem fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Throatwarbler posted:Oh good, a backup camera, no bumping into telephone poles with the back of your head! On the other hand, commonly available well tested parts are always a plus in something like this. I'm sure someone will drop in a turbo liter bike engine or something of equivalent crazy. Given how expensive other similar products actually are, I think its pretty neat.
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Throatwarbler posted:Oh good, a backup camera, no bumping into telephone poles with the back of your head! When not wearing a helmet the camera was totally unneeded. If you're wearing a helmet it'd be a godsend. eyebeem posted:That slingshot is loving perfect, and I'm buying one for sure. It will suck something fierce in the summer months (I live in Palm Springs), but who gives a poo poo? Do it. If I didn't already have too many cars I'd be thinking about it. While my wife is a car person I don't know if she'd appreciate me having yet another 'weekend car'. In places where you do need a bike license you can take the test with the trike. Simple.
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Kill-9 posted:Polaris announced their new trike, the Slingshot this week. Kind of a cross between a T-Rex and a KTM X-Bow. It's using a 2.4l Ecotec engine. Basically the drivetrain out of a Solstice/Sky. Since you apparently know a lot about these/are on the inside, can you give a reason why someone would get one of these instead of an actual motorcycle? If you just want a go fast track toy, there are several bikes making a lot more power than that thing (like 200 HP+: BMW S1000RR, Ninja ZX14) and weighing much less (~500 lbs or less wet weight), and are at least $5k cheaper. Since this thing is classed as a motorcycle, you'd need an endorsement and helmet to drive it, so you're basically paying more money for something that's slower and still has the same legal training/safety gear requirements.
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HotCanadianChick posted:Since you apparently know a lot about these/are on the inside, can you give a reason why someone would get one of these instead of an actual motorcycle? If you just want a go fast track toy, there are several bikes making a lot more power than that thing (like 200 HP+: BMW S1000RR, Ninja ZX14) and weighing much less (~500 lbs or less wet weight), and are at least $5k cheaper. Since this thing is classed as a motorcycle, you'd need an endorsement and helmet to drive it, so you're basically paying more money for something that's slower and still has the same legal training/safety gear requirements. I think it's targeting a different market (with some overlap) and is classified as a motorcycle because of how stupid our regulations are (and to avoid having to include airbags, crash testing, etc). This is nothing like a motorcycle, and won't be cross shopped with them.
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