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paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007

midnightclimax posted:

Who was that?

mccaine. he writes articles about Very Serious Things now.


im loving the guy citing taqiyya there. guys guys, they think its moral to lie to the unbelievers!!

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Homura and Sickle
Apr 21, 2013

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

no one's ever complimented my posting before, and i aspire to be as great as swan oat one day :3:

my parents are vietnamese refugees and i was born in Westminster, CA like half the vietnamese people in the us. it was my mom that taught me about eating vegan on the first and middle (ide? ides?) of each month and on holidays but tbh I'm not really that buddhist, more agnostic and culturally buddhist. so to answer your question, i guess probably? there's lots of buddhist sects and it's all tied up with nationalism and poo poo, i just like the food, which makes me the worst buddhist, i think

also i am not the biggest fan of the dalai lama as a filthy queer and believer in the idea that the holocaust shouldn't be blamed on its victims but he is a tibetan buddhist anyway, so i don't have to listen to him. Well i don't have to listen to any monk regardless of tradition but you know what i mean

this reminds me: one of my history teachers and decathlon coaches in high school was hella socialist and sponsor of our GSA and my parents are staunch republicans but then they learned he was vegan and he became my parents' favorite teacher. actually that story was not as entertaining as it sounded in my head, but it was amusing, to me, at the time

this nonchalant posting style is really hard

I'm just curious, but in Westminster what would you say the proportion of Catholics amongst Vietnamese-Americans in that community is? I ask because my fiance's entire extended global family comes from the tiny minority of Vietnamese Catholics. First I'm curious if Catholics made up a disproportionate part of the refugees. Second, because I only ever hear about or deal with Viets that come from a Catholic/filial piety/even more patriarchal family background, and I'm kinda curious what the familial politics are like in Buddhist families.

edit:

quote:

I don't think anyone would actually believe that D&D was full of Earnest Libertarian Discussions back in the day, or that one of the mods idealized Churchill.

For a year we had a mod that idolized Nixon.

If there are a good number of midterm toxxers can Joementum be given mod powers on election night?

Homura and Sickle fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Jul 29, 2014

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
The guy who runs Zappos built a shipping container park in downtown Vegas.



Though they found out that it would cost more to cut up and reuse actual shipping containers, so it's made out of fake shipping containers instead.


Jagchosis posted:

If there are a good number of midterm toxxers can Joementum be given mod powers on election night?

No.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
I haven't read it myself yet, but my understanding is The Hot Zone has a very good reputation for scientific accuracy, for pop nonfiction thriller writing. Gotta remember it was written in the mid 90s, though, so our understanding of the subject material may have changed since then. My understanding is that policies on containment, and treatment of Ebola, have improved radically in the intervening period. I definitely know Biosafety Level 4 requirements have been massively updated- so in that area the situation probably isn't as dire as the text makes it out to be.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

tentative8e8op posted:

We'll see in two or three weeks how many countries Mr. International Airport managed to infect :(

Well, we know a certain island nation that isn't gonna take any chances.

ufarn
May 30, 2009

Joementum posted:

The guy who runs Zappos built a shipping container park in downtown Vegas.



Though they found out that it would cost more to cut up and reuse actual shipping containers, so it's made out of fake shipping containers instead.
So he's still building Hsiehland there.

Kind of amazing that it hasn't blown up in his face yet (or maybe it has).

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Falukorv posted:

Tripas are delicious. I think it came about because all the good meat got shipped out to the sailors, and people in Porto were left with the offals, so you get tripas (tripe).

Also the reason why people from Porto are sometimes nicknamed "Tripeiros".

Huh, I didn't know that. I was staying in Guimaraes, and visited Braga and the national park to the north.


Face it, you're the forum's Cincinnatus.

R. Mute
Jul 27, 2011

Majorian posted:

Yeah, he's a rangy director, even in the space of one movie. Look at "Troy" - lots to like in that movie, but a lot to hate too. (seriously, who tells the story of "The Iliad" and decides to remove the Greek gods from it?)
my greek teacher (as in, teaches greek, not as in, is greek) used to loving hate troy. actually, all of them did. i think it wasn't even 'oh, how inaccurate' - it was more about them wasting so much great source material. like, they didn't mind that they left out the bit where homeros goes full autism and starts listing boats, but there's more to the iliad than just achilles and paris.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

I haven't read it myself yet, but my understanding is The Hot Zone has a very good reputation for scientific accuracy, for pop nonfiction thriller writing. Gotta remember it was written in the mid 90s, though, so our understanding of the subject material may have changed since then. My understanding is that policies on containment, and treatment of Ebola, have improved radically in the intervening period. I definitely know Biosafety Level 4 requirements have been massively updated- so in that area the situation probably isn't as dire as the text makes it out to be.

Preston wrote another book called the Demon in the Freezer which I like quite a bit better than The Hot Zone. Publisher's marketing being what it is, you'd think the book is all about the weaponization of the smallpox virus, but the meat of the book is actually the history of smallpox and the eradication program in the mid century. We all grew up after it was gone, but smallpox was just unbelievably bad and that we essentially eradicated it is one of the crowning achievements of humankind.

Also my impression of Ebola is that it's too virulent to become the 12 monkeys virus.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

R. Mute posted:

Makes me wonder what the situation is like in America's foreign bases. People have been up in arms about the nukes in Kleine Brogel here on and off again since they were put there in '61. If I go out in a blaze of nuclear fire, I'd much prefer it be because we royally pissed someone off rather than it being due to Americans being lazy, cheap and incompetent.

This book then might be for you.

quote:

On January 23, 1961, a B-52 packing a pair of Mark 39 hydrogen bombs suffered a refueling snafu and went into an uncontrolled spin over North Carolina. In the cockpit of the rapidly disintegrating bomber was a lanyard attached to the bomb-release mechanism. Intense G-forces tugged hard at it and unleashed the nukes, which, at four megatons, were 250 times more powerful than the weapon that leveled Hiroshima. One of them "failed safe" and plummeted to the ground unarmed. The other weapon's failsafe mechanisms—the devices designed to prevent an accidental detonation—were subverted one by one, as Eric Schlosser recounts in his new book, Command and Control:


When the lanyard was pulled, the locking pins were removed from one of the bombs. The Mark 39 fell from the plane. The arming wires were yanked out, and the bomb responded as though it had been deliberately released by the crew above a target. The pulse generator activated the low-voltage thermal batteries. The drogue parachute opened, and then the main chute. The barometric switches closed. The timer ran out, activating the high-voltage thermal batteries. The bomb hit the ground, and the piezoelectric crystals inside the nose crushed. They sent a firing signal...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/08/eric-schlosser-command-control-excerpt-nuclear-weapons

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Joementum posted:

Though they found out that it would cost more to cut up and reuse actual shipping containers, so it's made out of fake shipping containers instead.

The floor in containers has to be treated with some really nasty pesticides (because Australia), they have to should be removed and replaced when containers are re-purposed into something else, like a house, etc. Also one one starts modifying containers for a project like this the csc plate isn't any good any more, because the container has been modified. Which means if you want to keep moving it around as if it were a container, you need a classification society involved. Often people go "gently caress that" and modified containers end up shipped on a flat rack. So to use old containers for something like that they'd probably have to modify them on site, so they wouldn't have to be moved again.

On top of all that, old containers tend to be in poo poo shape. These things get used hard. Edit: I occasionally see ocean containers in service with holes, and there are a bunch of things done to containers regularly that have to potential to damage them significantly.

Stunning Honky
Sep 7, 2004

" . . . "

ReindeerF posted:

The Hot Zone is a fascinating book. I have no idea about the science, but it's a great read. Outbreak, the movie, was pretty hilariously awful.

Has there ever been a disease outbreak movie (non-zombie, so no Boyle or Zombieland) that was any good? Like the scientific type? And, no, Soderbergh's piece of poo poo Contagion was not good. If you want a good chuckle, go back and watch the original Andromeda Strain. Holy poo poo is that funny.

I read that in middle school. The only thing I really remember (other than patient zero spitting blood on a nun in an airplane?) is a dude's testicles "swelling to the size of plums" and rotting out of his scrotum. That stuff sticks with you around the puberty era.

Stunning Honky
Sep 7, 2004

" . . . "
And maybe gunning down some rhesus monkeys with machine guns near the end.

User Error
Aug 31, 2006
My grade school library had a copy of that book for some god forsaken reason. Gave me nightmares.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret

Betcha it doesn't cover the one I know about with the F-111. First test of the nuclear device mount. They bring the bomb out, put it on the cart to hustle it to the plane. Cart gets pulled over. Starts to wobble. Both wheels on one side fall off. Bomb falls off the cart, starts rolling towards the crew chief.

Sure, it was safed, but man, not a happy day.

Apparently they forgot to reverse thread the ... I wanna say the right wheels.

Talmonis
Jun 24, 2012
The fairy of forgiveness has removed your red text.

Warcabbit posted:

Betcha it doesn't cover the one I know about with the F-111. First test of the nuclear device mount. They bring the bomb out, put it on the cart to hustle it to the plane. Cart gets pulled over. Starts to wobble. Both wheels on one side fall off. Bomb falls off the cart, starts rolling towards the crew chief.

Sure, it was safed, but man, not a happy day.

Apparently they forgot to reverse thread the ... I wanna say the right wheels.

Safety activated or not, I'd still piss myself at the sight of "the bomb" rolling toward me in an accident.

SlipUp
Sep 30, 2006


stayin c o o l

Swan Oat posted:

any fans of white lung in the house? that is some good rear end music, in my opinion.

"take the mirror" gets me amped every time. Saw them at sled island this year, great live set. Some chongo heckled them, yellin "show us your tits!" and Anne-marie caught him in the face with a beer bottle. Good poo poo.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

R. Mute posted:

my greek teacher (as in, teaches greek, not as in, is greek) used to loving hate troy. actually, all of them did. i think it wasn't even 'oh, how inaccurate' - it was more about them wasting so much great source material. like, they didn't mind that they left out the bit where homeros goes full autism and starts listing boats, but there's more to the iliad than just achilles and paris.

Also from what I remember of the movie far too few people get stabbed in the nipples.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I can't find the orig. thread but this is the best version of the Iliad, imo.

Cercadelmar
Jan 4, 2014
Favorite scene from The Hot Zone is when that guy's intestines slough out of him and he keels over. Wish I could find more books like Preston's.

Swan Oat
Oct 9, 2012

I was selected for my skill.

SlipUp posted:

"take the mirror" gets me amped every time. Saw them at sled island this year, great live set. Some chongo heckled them, yellin "show us your tits!" and Anne-marie caught him in the face with a beer bottle. Good poo poo.

that's an excellent story, i'm glad they don't put up with poo poo from bad men

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

The whole thread is great, but Ingwit just kills it over and over.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

paranoid randroid posted:

mccaine. he writes articles about Very Serious Things now.

I actually kind of wish he still posted, because I feel bad about some of the things I said to him a few years ago and I would like to apologize to him.:smith:

Pope Guilty posted:

The whole thread is great, but Ingwit just kills it over and over.

That is a loving revelation. My favorite audiobook of The Iliad is the one Derek Jacobi does; we need to get him to read this one for us too.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

the ultimate hustler is the eighth muse.

illrepute
Dec 30, 2009

by XyloJW
Mccaine's a cool guy.

Speaking of Old Forums, I still occasionally see the picture screencapped from the start of the Iraq War of a poll someone put up asking how long the war would take, with a "comedy option" that was 6 months or more.

:allears: Ah, happy memories.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

illrepute posted:

Mccaine's a cool guy.

Speaking of Old Forums, I still occasionally see the picture screencapped from the start of the Iraq War of a poll someone put up asking how long the war would take, with a "comedy option" that was 6 months or more.

:allears: Ah, happy memories.

And then there's the grover post re: the Iraq War...

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

zoux posted:

And then there's the grover post re: the Iraq War...

I showed up maybe a few months after that, so I don't think I ever caught it. Anybody have a link?

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe

Majorian posted:

I showed up maybe a few months after that, so I don't think I ever caught it. Anybody have a link?

A house divided against itself cannot stand

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER


this might be the best thing on the internet

there is nothing about this that is not fantastic holy poo poo


e. ahahaha grover is a forums treasure

he is just so adorably dumb and wrong about everything

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

V. Illych L. posted:

this might be the best thing on the internet

there is nothing about this that is not fantastic holy poo poo

It's good to have a definitive answer to "what is the best post of all time on the SA forums".

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
Oooh, this must be it:

quote:

How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 2 days
Will Saddam be killed? Yes
Total Iraqi civillian casualties: 500 dead
Total military casualties Iraq: 3000 dead
Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead
Will the Iraqi army regulars hold the lines? No
Will the Republican Guard fight to the end? No
Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes
Will Saddam launch attacks on the Kurds? Yes
Will Saddam launch attacks on Israel? No
-If yes; will Isreal retaliate harshly? Yes
Will Saddam sacrifice Baghdad (gas/nuke it)? No
Will the Kurds make a grab for independence? Yes
Will Iran do anything silly like try for land? Yes
Will Saddam burn the oil fields? Yes
How long will the US be occupying Iraq? ~15 years
Will the Iraq war catalyze increased terrorism in America?No
In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good

We have to look at what those civilian casualties are- just because they're civilian doesn't make them innocent! Lets take a look at a few possibilities:

1) A civilian walking down the street to market gets killed by a cruise missile fired at the market.

2) A civilian asleep in their house is killed when their house is targetting by a smart bomb and blown up.

OK, these two are regrettable innocents being killed- but since the US doesn't make a habit of targetting markets or houses, they're very small in number!

3) A civilian working at a chemical weapon factory gets killed when the chemical weapon plant is bombed.

4) A civilian security guard at a weapons depot is killed when the weapons explode.

5) A civilian contractor repairing a tank is killed by a MOAB dropped on the unit.

6) A civilian engineer is killed when the military command center he works at is destroyed.

7) A civilian delivering snackiecakes to the baghdad bunker vending machines eats a 5,000lb bunker buster.

etc, etc. The list goes on. My point is that there are a lot of civilians directly supporting the military that aren't exactly "innocent" and would be mire rightly counted among the military casualties than civilian. I'm a civilian and work for the US military, but I acknowledge I'm also a valid military target because of what I do. And I think the vast majority of civilian casualties in this campaign will not be innocent.

e: I have to say, this post is a relief. Here I thought the occupation had brought about tens of thousands of innocent civilian deaths. But now I know most of them were evildoers. Phew.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jul 29, 2014

illrepute
Dec 30, 2009

by XyloJW
Yep, that's it, Staev.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Gum posted:

D&D used to be full-on conservative. I remember when saying that Saddam might not have WMDs would get you hounded out for being a crazy leftie.

They also really didn't like Islam http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1372067



In YOOL 2004! :aaaaa:

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
To be fair grover's house is a pretty good monument to the Iraq War.

Alec Bald Snatch
Sep 12, 2012

by exmarx

ReindeerF posted:

Has there ever been a disease outbreak movie (non-zombie, so no Boyle or Zombieland) that was any good? Like the scientific type? And, no, Soderbergh's piece of poo poo Contagion was not good. If you want a good chuckle, go back and watch the original Andromeda Strain. Holy poo poo is that funny.

Angels in America?

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

illrepute posted:

Yep, that's it, Staev.

That name only brings me shame, for the shitposting I have done.:smith:

comes along bort posted:

Angels in America?

Boom.

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

quote:

Will Saddam launch attacks on Israel? No
-If yes; will Isreal retaliate harshly? Yes

Is still my favourite part

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

comes along bort posted:

Angels in America?

I think he meant movies about disease outbreaks, not movies that themselves constitute outbreaks.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Gum posted:

Is still my favourite part

Mine is:
In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good

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MLKQUOTEMACHINE
Oct 22, 2012

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill

Majorian posted:

Definitely, and that's what makes me sad about that movie: most of the performances were good. Orlando Bloom was weak, quelle surprise, but everyone else did good stuff with what they were given. But starting from the premise of taking a Greek epic poem set in the Age of Heroes, and then taking out all the gods and magic and monsters and other fun stuff? Honestly, how could anybody have thought that was a good idea?

That's absolutely the most ridiculous decision you could make when doing a movie about Troy. It's like, wtf man, the Gods dicking around was the only way they could break up all the monotonous human stuff.

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