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I hope the next twenty books are self-contained episodic Harry Fights Supernatural Crime stories with nary a mention of Nemesis or whatever. Actually, no, I don't hope that, but I do like it when the books function largely on their own merits and the overarching storyline is kept predominantly in the background to be wheeled out for special occasions, and minor plot points hang around for a couple of books, maybe. The way the series has generally been up to this point. I do legitimately hope that the Denarians next show up in, like, book 19 or something, just so that a bunch of people go mad trying to make it fit the THEY SHOW UP EVERY FIVE BOOKS WITHOUT FAIL rule.
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Release dresden case 20 as the 19th release date book, then release dresden case 19 as the 20th with ~time travel~ and watch a million nerds lose their minds.
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Isn't 'Mirror, Mirror' supposed to be after 'Peace Talks'? I'm really excited for Peace Talks because I love the White Council and Warden stuff and it's been way too long since we had a good straight up wizard book, (plus getting more canonical Fomor stuff will really help with GM'ing my RPG) but Alternate Universe Harry Dresden is going to be plain old fun, I think.
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There's going to be a book called "Mirror, Mirror"? That's cheating, Butcher.
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Mirror Mirror has been the supposed Book After Next for a long time now.
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No one cares but I finally got a hardcover copy of Furies of Calderon so now I have all of Jim's books in hardcover. Plus he's going to be at Dragon*Con again this year, so I can get Furies signed and that'll give me a full signed collection.
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Ornamented Death posted:No one cares but I finally got a hardcover copy of Furies of Calderon so now I have all of Jim's books in hardcover. Plus he's going to be at Dragon*Con again this year, so I can get Furies signed and that'll give me a full signed collection. Congratulations! Does your home smell of rich mahagony?
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I'm re-listening to the whole series and Ghost Story is better than I remember. Maybe because I can tune out the Fitz parts or maybe because some of the foreshadowing makes more sense now or something else completely but I'm not looking to fast forward like I have been before. skin Game spoiler is the Inez statue the parasite? Because if so the conversation about Harry being a monster takes on some new dimensions The scene with Dumorne being very emotionless takes on new meaning also, if Nemesis has him the emotional detachment is in character (Cold Days spoiler)
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Bunnita posted:I'm re-listening to the whole series and Ghost Story is better than I remember. Maybe because I can tune out the Fitz parts or maybe because some of the foreshadowing makes more sense now or something else completely but I'm not looking to fast forward like I have been before. I don't think so as a "newborn" she could barely speak without being exhausted, so possessing a statue is probably beyond her. That said it isn't covered in the books or Word of Jim yet quote:The scene with Dumorne being very emotionless takes on new meaning also, if Nemesis has him the emotional detachment is in character (Cold Days spoiler) Isn't being super emotional part of being with the outsiders though? Part of the whole "chaos" thing, plus when Papa Raith was working with them it was always super emotional and personal
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Fried Chicken posted:I don't think so as a "newborn" she could barely speak without being exhausted, so possessing a statue is probably beyond her. That said it isn't covered in the books or Word of Jim yet Statue was demonreach, I believe.
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Tunicate posted:Statue was demonreach, I believe. There were two. I think she was able to do much more than we saw as she 'negotiated' with the others.
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I'm pretty sure Inez was her own entity, because she's referenced a few times prior to Ghost Story as something people occasionally see wandering the graveyard and I doubt very much that she would be anything other than what she was described as (a very old and powerful little shade that haunts a particular graveyard).
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Yeah, Harry thinks about her when walking to meet Mavra in Dead Beat and notes her statue is missing as he does, long before going to the island himself.
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Wade Wilson posted:I'm pretty sure Inez was her own entity, because she's referenced a few times prior to Ghost Story as something people occasionally see wandering the graveyard and I doubt very much that she would be anything other than what she was described as (a very old and powerful little shade that haunts a particular graveyard). Pretty sure Inez is her own entity, but that doesn't necessarily mean that she is only a really powerful shade that just haunts a graveyard. I mean, that could be all she is/it is, but iirc that Dresden does make some comment in his discussion with her speculative that she is more than that. The discussion references a lot of the forces working by proxies too (obviously referring to Mab and Demonreach), so it seems possible to me that even if she is just a powerful shade that could've been a hint that she was also talking to Dresden as a proxy. E: ok whoa, out of curiosity I went back and read that bit, and there are several large signs in that conversation that point out that she is very much not just the ghost of a little girl. Logan 5 fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jul 28, 2014 |
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Okay so I went deep down my own little rabbit hole and read and reread those bits from Ghost Story, and here is why I dont think Inez is a ghost:
All that makes me pretty skeptical that Inez is a ghost, even a very powerful one. The proxies thing that I mentioned before is said later by Lea regarding Eternal Silence in the 2nd time Harry rests in his grave and after he shares the memory of He Who Walks Behind. I still think it could apply, but it really isnt clear and much more beyond this is pure speculation.
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Word of Jim was that Inez acted as Mab's proxy in Ghost Story and may not have necessarily been a shade in the same sense as Sir Stuart or the other ghosts in the story.
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Have we considered the possibility that (changes onward spoilers) The Fallen in Changes who convinces Harry to kill himself is in fact working for the "good guys" (and by good guys i mean the forces arrayed against Nemesis/Outsiders) Obviously we don't know a *ton* about the aims/desires of Hell in Dresdenverse, but as the Outsiders represent Chaos/annihilation/general dissolution of reality, it could be one of those John Milton situations of "better to rule in hell than...cease to exist" Convincing Harry to off himself may seem counter productive, until one considers it allowed Uriel to convince Harry he could remain himself as he took upon the mantle of Winter and gained a power boost necessary to recover the artifacts in Skin Game.
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I just discovered that Jim Butcher apparently wrote a Spider-man novel called The Darkest Hour. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1416594760/iagonet Has anybody read it?
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treeboy posted:Have we considered the possibility that (changes onward spoilers) The Fallen in Changes who convinces Harry to kill himself is in fact working for the "good guys" (and by good guys i mean the forces arrayed against Nemesis/Outsiders) Obviously we don't know a *ton* about the aims/desires of Hell in Dresdenverse, but as the Outsiders represent Chaos/annihilation/general dissolution of reality, it could be one of those John Milton situations of "better to rule in hell than...cease to exist" I thought the last book basically confirmed that it was Lasciel that did that and it was for petty revenge.
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computer parts posted:I thought the last book basically confirmed that it was Lasciel that did that and it was for petty revenge. I don't know, she certainly knew about it but I'm not convinced it was actually her.
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So butcher confirmed a while back that at least 2 red court vampires are still alive in the nevernever. Think we might get another vampire book before the end?
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Slanderer posted:So butcher confirmed a while back that at least 2 red court vampires are still alive in the nevernever. Think we might get another vampire book before the end? No, he said the Eebs wouldn't have been killed by the Spell, not that they were necessarily alive. Also, I'm frequently amused by how many Debate Disco regulars read the Dresden Files
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Rygar201 posted:No, he said the Eebs wouldn't have been killed by the Spell, not that they were necessarily alive. If they weren't killed by the spell, they're alive and will be showing up again. That's way too big a gun not to fire especially considering how much damage they did to Harry.
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ImpAtom posted:If they weren't killed by the spell, they're alive and will be showing up again. That's way too big a gun not to fire especially considering how much damage they did to Harry. They were left in the hands of some extremely unpleasant Fae bent on eating them, I believe.
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I had to look up exactly what was said, and he didn't actually commit to them still being alive https://twitter.com/longshotauthor/status/480824029943955456
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Wade Wilson posted:I just discovered that Jim Butcher apparently wrote a Spider-man novel called The Darkest Hour. I enjoyed it well enough. He writes Peter and Harry almost identically, and its a fairly standard Dresdenesque 'tons of poo poo going down at once.' It also pulls really heavily on the Spider totem stuff and Dr. Strange is a big supporting character. Also the Rhino is an ally and Mary Jane is the real hero of the story. Zore fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jul 30, 2014 |
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VanSandman posted:They were left in the hands of some extremely unpleasant Fae bent on eating them, I believe. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they actually got around to finishing them off. Slanderer posted:I had to look up exactly what was said, and he didn't actually commit to them still being alive "Were" could also mean "they're not there anymore." That is, if anything, a really strong hint those guys are still around and kicking.
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Slanderer posted:I had to look up exactly what was said, and he didn't actually commit to them still being alive Jesus christ Jim Butcher pumps some iron! And then updates his twitter showing his Larp costume..
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Exmond posted:Jesus christ Jim Butcher pumps some iron! And then updates his twitter showing his Larp costume.. I bet every time he walks by GRRM he smirks and asks when ASoIaF will be finished.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, but that doesn't mean they actually got around to finishing them off. Isnt that highly secure location the sadistic torture dungeons of the Erlking? Not that that means they couldnt have gotten out though. Seeing as how they "belong" to the Erlking now he would be at liberty to trade them with other Fae. And if whoever traded for them has it out for Harry in some way... At least I can imagine Titania doing that solely based on a revenge motive.
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On one hand, they could have been killed unceremoniously offscreen, or we could have them come back with a serious grudge against Harry at a suitably dramatic moment. Of course they're alive.
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It'd be great if they were used as a "see how much I've grown?" moment for Harry in the apocalypse trilogy. They pop out at a crucial time with a big "you thought we were dead?" only for Harry to shrug, blast them to Kingdom come then carry on dealing with the matter at hand. I mean imagine Harry against the FBI wolves now, or even the Loup Garou. Then think where he was when the Eebs were a threat to where he's likely to be when the poo poo hits the fan.
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Masonity posted:It'd be great if they were used as a "see how much I've grown?" moment for Harry in the apocalypse trilogy. They pop out at a crucial time with a big "you thought we were dead?" only for Harry to shrug, blast them to Kingdom come then carry on dealing with the matter at hand. I mean imagine Harry against the FBI wolves now, or even the Loup Garou. Then think where he was when the Eebs were a threat to where he's likely to be when the poo poo hits the fan. If they show up again they're probably going to get some substantial power boost. "We're the last of the Red Court and so their displaced power flowed into us and now we're the Red King and Queen" or something like that. Basically there's no chance Harry is going to be up against an enemy who won't kick his rear end five ways to Sunday and require him to barely pull off a win. That isn't how Harry Dresden works.
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Masonity posted:It'd be great if they were used as a "see how much I've grown?" moment for Harry in the apocalypse trilogy. They pop out at a crucial time with a big "you thought we were dead?" only for Harry to shrug, blast them to Kingdom come then carry on dealing with the matter at hand. I mean imagine Harry against the FBI wolves now, or even the Loup Garou. Then think where he was when the Eebs were a threat to where he's likely to be when the poo poo hits the fan. One if my favorite moments along those lines was in Changes when he storms into a building, a vamp sees him, screams... And runs away shrieking in terror, warning the others to get the gently caress out NOW. In Storm Front and Grave Peril 1 red court vamp vs him is pretty much a grain feed death sentence for Harry unless he has a pre setup protection. By Changes he's grown so much as special ops teams of them runs the hell away ImpAtom posted:If they show up again they're probably going to get some substantial power boost. "We're the last of the Red Court and so their displaced power flowed into us and now we're the Red King and Queen" or something like that. Secondly that would work if Red King was a mantle, but even then mantles get their power through things like debts, obligations, and faith, all of which would have taken a significant kick to the jimmies by the action in Changes. I mean sure, they survive, but the army of loyal retainers, the billions of dollars, the lackey politicians, the favors owed by other supernatural beings... All those are gone. And whatever purpose that power existed for has gone unfulfilled for a while (both by the King being nuts and then everyone being dead), so they will need to spend time doing that stuff to unbreak those vows (like what Molly is doing now). After a long time they may have more raw magical power, but they won't have the experience to use it proficiently and they will lack all the stuff that made the red court previously a threat. They'd be more like suicide bombers than a Marva style operator or the intelligence agents they were when the red court was around.
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In fact if they have survived and are used for something other than throw away bad guys to show growth their best chance would be siding with the black court. Two wounded courts banding together to rebuild.
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There's an interesting idea: What if Mavra turned the Eebs into Black Court vamps? Would that even work?
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Wade Wilson posted:There's an interesting idea: What if Mavra turned the Eebs into Black Court vamps? Would that even work? Merge the two courts together somehow, each gaining the strengths of one to cover the weaknesses of the other - Black loses the Stoker weaknesses, Red gains the conversion speed and strength - to form a new court. We could call it... the Oh god, I am become fanfiction
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Just FYI for anyone looking to get hardback copies of the earlier books without shelling out $100+ or scouring used book stores, Jim just posted the following on his Twitter:Jim Butcher posted:Storm Front is being reprinted in hardback! If you want a copy for your collection, you'll be able to order it in the next few days! MildShow fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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MildShow posted:Just FYI for anyone looking to get hardback copies of the earlier books without shelling out $100+ or scouring used book stores, Jim just posted the following on his Twitter: One day some of you plebeians may have a collection that rivals mine. One day. "May."
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