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Gough Suppressant posted:You think so? I reckon they are (rightly) gunshy about putting the most precarious seat in the party at the very top of the party. Losing your leader is pretty embarrassing Interestingly enough, this is the exact position that both Clive and Campbell Newman are in.
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Gough Suppressant posted:You think so? I reckon they are (rightly) gunshy about putting the most precarious seat in the party at the very top of the party. Losing your leader is pretty embarrassing Ludlum nearly lost his seat too. I'd love Larissa Waters to lead but I think most people see Bandt as the most compelling choice.
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What exactly is Bandt's seat like in regards to him, anyway? I can only imagine a seat that elected a Greens candidate twice is too bad a place politically.
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Jul 30, 2014 08:36
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Ler posted:Richard Di Natale is p.cool He's a great speaker too.
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Cleretic posted:What exactly is Bandt's seat like in regards to him, anyway? I can only imagine a seat that elected a Greens candidate twice is too bad a place politically. You know the stereotype everyone has of greens voters as inner city organic latte sipping uni student middle class Marxists? The seat of Melbourne is literally that.
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Yeah, Di Natale would be a far safer leader than bandt. Good speaker, from the country, medical doctor, safe seat.
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Bandt's primary vote improved in the last election at least. Di Natale is a safer choice, electorally speaking.
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Gough Suppressant posted:You think so? I reckon they are (rightly) gunshy about putting the most precarious seat in the party at the very top of the party. Losing your leader is pretty embarrassing Wow, I didn't know she was dead.
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Fruity Gordo posted:The next leader will likely be Adam Bandt. 
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Is Ludlam's name misspelt?
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Nice letter to the Crikey editor today:quote:Les Heimann writes: Sure; another day, another propaganda fest for those who believe we have a right to be a bigot. The mob who keep secret their torture treatments in dealing with refugees. The same group who want unemployed people to starve for six months, to economically mistreat the elderly and the sick. The group who actively support the financially illiterate being ripped off by carpetbaggers. rowr rowr fight da powah
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Fruity Gordo posted:Ludlum nearly lost his seat too. I'd love Larissa Waters to lead but I think most people see Bandt as the most compelling choice. In the 2014 re-run he was comfortably in, getting 1.09 quotas. 5 more years of the same terrible politics from the ALP/LNP should only strengthen his position.
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 Just kidding, he will be smug and not answer anything. Hope she puts the screws in.
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I've certainly heard an increase of quiet grumbling in WA about certain Greens Senators deciding to ignore the rank and file membership and do what they think is best. Growing pains, methinks. If this becomes the loving ALP all over again, where they ignore members to pursue their own agendas that'll be it for me and political parties. Quietly confident it won't come to that though.
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I have no idea how the idea formed, but I had written off Di Natale as one of those should have been a Liberal economic conservatives who will be the ruination of the Greens. Can't remember why, though.
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xPanda posted:I have no idea how the idea formed, but I had written off Di Natale as one of those should have been a Liberal economic conservatives who will be the ruination of the Greens. Can't remember why, though. Probably thinking of Whish-Wilson.
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Also became a little sour when the last information / Q&A night I went to about the budget turned out to be more an action recruitment drive using groups and peer pressure techniques. Left a very "don't treat me like a loving idiot, I know what you're trying on here" taste in my mouth.
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Hobo Erotica posted:How long until Ludlum is leader of the greens and subsequently elected to the prime ministership after the country quickly realises he's a pretty switched on dude who says smart things but is easy to understand and kind of funny for a politician dont_vote_greens_because_can't_form_government_because_people.gif
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Mattjpwns posted:Also became a little sour when the last information / Q&A night I went to about the budget turned out to be more an action recruitment drive using groups and peer pressure techniques. Left a very "don't treat me like a loving idiot, I know what you're trying on here" taste in my mouth. That blows Was it a local meeting or an SDC? If it makes you feel better I had a pretty invigorating experience. I went to the first Greens Women's Conference on the weekend and it was so cool, there were four other women sitting there knitting the whole time and we resolved to form a Domestic Violence sub-group. Speaking of, on August 6th there's a sit in against the closure of women's shelters in NSW in the early evening, should be ace. I can't remember the exact details off the top of my head, but if anyone's interested in coming (blokes welcome) I'll track down the deets and post em.
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I, Butthole posted:dont_vote_greens_because_can't_form_government_because_people.gif Yeah but the point is it feels like Ludlum could almost break through that cycle
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For those curious and outside QLD, I have uploaded the draft QLD ALP Policy Platform here for Goons to peak at. Nothing special that I can see but it's probably an improvement.
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Scott Hitler Morrison's response to allegations of children self-harming in detention was: "lol i don't believe that"
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He just nah "nah that's not true the human rights commissioner must have made it up"
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Because he is Australian Hitler
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Jul 30, 2014 10:54
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Same with Betz on Lateline. They'll just outright deny facts or the value of empirical evidence.
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He denied that specific characterisation of the children, not that children were unwell. If you listen very carefully, he essentially admitted that kids are unwell; its a very tough situation after all. He just won't come out and say it clearly, because it would become a sound bite which will end the government.
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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...0730-3ctwp.htmlquote:Coalition plans to toughen rules for job seekers are 'close to exploitation', says crossbench senator David Leyonhjelm Yeah, it's aaaaaalmost exploitation, but c'mon guys I think we can push it further.
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Lizard Combatant posted:Is the Morrison interview worth iviewing? You won't learn anything other than what the true face of evil looks like
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Haters Objector posted:You won't learn anything other than what the true face of evil looks like "Sarah, I am the loving devil" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLJllk-0o6c
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Same with Betz on Lateline. They'll just outright deny facts or the value of empirical evidence. Their double speak seems to work for them. Like when Morrison said that onshore processing isn't really onshore because mainland Australia isn't part of the migration zone and no one really called him out on what an arbitrary and incoherent thing that is to say. I guess they do it pretty consistently and it helps to have Rupert on your side.
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Somewhere within Erica's latest press releases was the tacit admission that JSA providers are hosed:quote:“The current Job Services Australia system has lost focus and become mired in
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Somewhere within Erica's latest press releases was the tacit admission that JSA providers are hosed: The issue with the JSA system at the moment is that it's basically setup to milk the system as best as it possibly can and just "check the tickboxes". If anything, job seekers learn bad habits from JSA's and I'd argue that, largely, they are counterproductive. The BCA has it right oddly enough, rework the system so that JSA's actually have to get off their butts and work to get job seekers into the best suitable jobs for them, rather than just whatever they can. This would have a better outcome for everyone (except JSA's wouldn't be milking money for doing nothing, but boo loving hoo no tears lost on those shitheaps) and would be both a better spending of government monies and would likely reduce the amount of useless poo poo Centrelink has to follow up on.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Somewhere within Erica's latest press releases was the tacit admission that JSA providers are hosed: Why don't we cut out the middle man? Stop paying JSAs to do nothing, and pay Newstart recipients more. They'd probably save money.
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