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Kazvall posted:Because of this thread I have now signed up for Heavy Gear Online. Thanks guys! Didn't the DEVs cancel that game a while ago?
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Speaking of bad games and developers, whatever happened to MechWarrior Tactics?
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PoptartsNinja posted:I know this is from a couple of pages back, but Except the pilot perk to fast-fire would reduce it down past the threshold again, whoops!
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Jul 30, 2014 07:43
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Speaking of bad games and developers, whatever happened to MechWarrior Tactics? https://www.mwtactics.com/forums/index.php?/topic/8176-is-mwt-still-happening-whens-open-beta/ Vaporware, in the finest vein of corporate malfeasance since GT Interactive and DNF. No seriously. Last I looked into the IGP 2 years ago, their auditor straight up refused to say the last time they had an audit done they signed off on. They refused to even say how many people are even drawing salary on this project anymore. One very razor line short of straight up beta-fraud. Since our last goon got fired/canned it would seem there are only 4 employees left, spread over the project. Avoid. Open beta was to launch in June 2013, it is now 2014. Their FASA license expires in 2015. Paul can come sue me, if he can find me, if he watches the thread.
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Jul 30, 2014 07:51
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BattleMaster posted:I realize it's a lot of work, but it would be very nice if they put out maps at a much faster rate. One of the excuses they gave once was that they were making tons of maps and art assets but the mean old executives wouldn't let them release it.
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Jul 30, 2014 08:11
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Woolie Wool posted:(note to all video game developers adapting tabletop games: do not do what MechWarrior did) That's assuming the devs involved have any choice. MS probably only cares about the look of the mechs, since they don't have the rights to the tabletop game, but I recall Rope Kid being annoyed at the hoops they had to jump during IWD2 development because of that. But yeah, bad idea unless you're trying to attract grogs who are probably happier playing tabletop. That armor layering/carving system reminds me of the one they had in the old Renegade Legions games. I'm still trying to figure out how that worked in a tabletop environment.
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Jul 30, 2014 08:39
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PGI Patch Notes posted:BUG FIXES Willing to bet significant money that this is the real reason Ghost heat was chosen as a balance measure. Forcing people to boat less for 'balance' reasons was actually a hack to deal with server issues caused by too many weapons being fired at once and their access database fritzing.
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Jul 30, 2014 10:22
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Willfrey posted:You just wanna keep your account you dirty closet mechwarrior. How are the clan mechs? Very underwhelming. Quite a few of them are strictly worse than IS mechs.
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Jul 30, 2014 10:47
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Phrosphor posted:Willing to bet significant money that this is the real reason Ghost heat was chosen as a balance measure. Forcing people to boat less for 'balance' reasons was actually a hack to deal with server issues caused by too many weapons being fired at once and their access database fritzing. Nah, Paul just loves overcomplicated as gently caress design choices. quote:Hey folks, 
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Jul 30, 2014 10:53
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God damnit this new patch completely hosed up modules. gently caress PGI, jesus loving christ.
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Jul 30, 2014 11:14
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Most balance changes in MWO are the gaming world equivalent to a Rube Goldberg machine.
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Jul 30, 2014 16:01
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It really just comes across like the design team really don't want to do a comprehensive pass on all the weapons so they're running around slapping band aids on things when the complaining gets too much to ignore. Gwaihir posted earlier about how you balance the sniper type weapons (I.e. Give them a fuckton of damage but make them take ages to cycle) but instead of that we're getting yet another "gently caress you don't use those guns together" solution. This'll keep going on until eventually there's no weapons you can fire at the same time and everything has to be chain fired or you explode.
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Jul 30, 2014 16:05
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I think the module change is kinda sensible. Granted I haven't been playing, but I like that there's specific slots so that you might be motivated to actually use weapon modules/consumables.
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Jul 30, 2014 16:06
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Ice Fist posted:Most balance changes in MWO are the gaming world equivalent to a Rube Goldberg machine. Please that has a purpose and actually does something. Balance changes in MOW is like making GBS threads in a blender with the top off, turning it on purée and whatever flies out you use as changes.
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Jul 30, 2014 16:10
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Fil5000 posted:It really just comes across like the design team really don't want to do a comprehensive pass on all the weapons so they're running around slapping band aids on things when the complaining gets too much to ignore. Gwaihir posted earlier about how you balance the sniper type weapons (I.e. Give them a fuckton of damage but make them take ages to cycle) but instead of that we're getting yet another "gently caress you don't use those guns together" solution. This'll keep going on until eventually there's no weapons you can fire at the same time and everything has to be chain fired or you explode. That one change, applied to ppcs, gauss rifles, and lrms would solve SO many problems.
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Jul 30, 2014 16:18
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A long time ago, a representative from PGI came to talk to several groups, including goons, about how to balance weapons. Goons pointed to a variety of video games of all degrees of complexity to illustrate options there were, including games like Team Fortress 2, the newer Battlefield games, and MechWarrior: Living Legends. One of the principal points was to adequately balance long-range high-alpha weapons against other options. Concerns like specific map cover and jump-sniping aside, mathematically, the long-range high-alpha builds were able to consistently put out more damage over the course of a round, and PGI needed to close this gulf. A "brawling" mech that managed to close the distance would likely have suffered a lot of damage already, if focus-fire did not take it out altogether (killing a group's effective DPS). Long-range high-alpha weapons also were able to keep competitive DPS even up close, and their ability to frontload damage with little warning gave them a big advantage for focusing fire. Brawlers thus need to be able to make up for the difference in time during which they have been unable to reciprocate, and any sort of health increases would favor brawling by reducing the % of total damage done from safety. Making it less easy for snipers to hit, along with longer refire times, is another option. Once in range, brawlers need to come up from a team damage (and probable team DPS) deficit so their weapons also need to do lay on damage quicker. This also provided an opportunity to differentiate certain weapon classes that were a little uncertain of their place in the game, such as pulse lasers, which were really only feasible as a way to squeeze a tiny bit more damage out of limited energy slots if you somehow had heat/weight/slots to spare and no other hardpoints. This PGI representative explained that, actually, it's impossible to balance short-range versus long-range weapons in any videogame. Pulse lasers had their heat adjusted slightly.
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Jul 30, 2014 17:34
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Chronojam posted:This PGI representative explained that, actually, it's impossible to balance short-range versus long-range weapons in any videogame. This really explains a hell of a lot. Also... 
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Jul 30, 2014 17:48
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It keeps sounding more and more like PGI has always viewed "balance" as a thing you achieve and then don't have to worry about, instead of as something you adjust over time to compensate for certain playstyles rendering other playstyles unfun or completely invalid.
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Jul 30, 2014 17:50
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Chronojam posted:A long time ago, a representative from PGI came to talk to several groups, including goons, about how to balance weapons. Goons pointed to a variety of video games of all degrees of complexity to illustrate options there were, including games like Team Fortress 2, the newer Battlefield games, and MechWarrior: Living Legends. The specific example to prove his point was that the railgun in quake 3 was good.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:05
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Fil5000 posted:The specific example to prove his point was that the railgun in quake 3 was good. Just for absolute clarity here Fil5000 is not making a joke. The official word was that 2PPC1Gauss cannot be balanced because the Quake 3 railgun was good.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:08
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I would say something like "jesus loving christ" at these recent posts but unfortunately I am used to PGI so it doesn't really bother me or surprise me.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:15
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Avynte posted:Nah, Paul just loves overcomplicated as gently caress design choices.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:46
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One thing they nailed was how the Mechs feel, though. I've seen other stompy robot games and they all feel too quick and weird and it ends up feeling like a lovely TDM instead of being stompy robots.....doing TDM.
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Jul 30, 2014 19:18
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Yep, there's nothing else that feels like it. It's a massive shame that they've nailed that but lack either the will, desire or ability to sort out the balance with anything other than sticking plasters, and that they've basically spent a full year of development alienating people.
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Jul 30, 2014 19:43
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Sindai posted:Now I kind of hope every possible combination of weapons in the game eventually gets its own unique, invisible mechanic with no GUI indicator of what's going on. MGs will now have their refire rate halved if fired at the same time as a Med Laser at 150m but doubled if you have one LRM equppied and you are using an ER Large Laser at 502 meters. Obviously this will effect how many SRMs you are able to fire before Double Jeopardy heat kicks in.
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Jul 30, 2014 20:20
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Sedisp posted:MGs will now have their refire rate halved if fired at the same time as a Med Laser at 150m but doubled if you have one LRM equppied and you are using an ER Large Laser at 502 meters. Obviously this will effect how many SRMs you are able to fire before Double Jeopardy heat kicks in. Actually they reduced it to 145m in the last patch.
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Jul 30, 2014 21:31
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PGI is incredible because it makes Wargaming, the World of Tanks developers, look like the most competent people on the planet.
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Sedisp posted:MGs will now have their refire rate halved if fired at the same time as a Med Laser at 150m but doubled if you have one LRM equppied and you are using an ER Large Laser at 502 meters. Obviously this will effect how many SRMs you are able to fire before Double Jeopardy heat kicks in. I approve of this Rube Goldberg balance change. Ok I promise that's the last time I make a bad Rube Goldberg analogy
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Avynte posted:Nah, Paul just loves overcomplicated as gently caress design choices. Hahahaha this person is loving insane.
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Jul 30, 2014 21:58
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Cowcaster posted:Hahahaha this person is loving insane. We've been saying this for a long time. They just don't give a poo poo.
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Since there isn't a general Mechwarrior thread, I guess the lovely MWO thread will have to do. Is there any non  way to get a copy of MW2? I found a copy of Ghost Bear Legacy in an ancient CD binder I got from my dad and I want to play through it again for nostalgia reasons, but it doesn't install without the base game.And is the MW4:Mercs release working now? I tried to play it when it came out and I couldn't loving install it. I need more Duncan Fisher in my life, and for whatever reason they didn't put in a Solaris arena map in MWO when I was playing.
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Chronojam posted:Just for absolute clarity here Fil5000 is not making a joke. The official word was that 2PPC1Gauss cannot be balanced because the Quake 3 railgun was good. Yeah but.. the rocket launcher was good, and the plasma gun was good, and the shotgun was good too. Hell, even the machine gun and the fist have a reason to exist. That level of cluelessness should be criminal. Q2DM was better, though.
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Don Gato posted:Since there isn't a general Mechwarrior thread, I guess the lovely MWO thread will have to do. Is there any non Pretty sure you can just copy over the files from the CD and run setup, and it'll think that it's been installed normally. Even though I have my original MW2 and GBL CDs, Dosbox didn't react well to changing CDs, so I had to use a workaround to get GBL running.
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I still have all my old MW4+expansion CDs, but at some point something got screwed up in the registry or somewhere because the game screen will not fit on my monitor screen. I've adjusted in-game, Windows, and monitor refresh rate/resolution/deity of choice, scoured the registry of anything related to mechs, and to no avail. It just worked, and I uninstalled, reinstalled six months later, and it gave me a giant middle finger. And then I got another GMF when I didn't find out about MW:LL until it was shut down, and then another GMF when I bought a Founder's Pack. gently caress, I can still remember the sheer unstoppable force of Holy Reckoning that was a Founder's Atlas with three LRM15s, a Gauss, and some MLas. Closed Beta might not have been exceptionally balanced but goddamn it was at least fun.
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Fil5000 posted:Yep, there's nothing else that feels like it. It's a massive shame that they've nailed that but lack either the will, desire or ability to sort out the balance with anything other than sticking plasters, and that they've basically spent a full year of development alienating people. Two years. Two years.
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Jul 31, 2014 00:17
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CB was late summer/early fall 2011, so three years. Just let that sink in a moment.
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Jul 31, 2014 00:19
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Ba Donk a Bonk posted:The funny thing is, you pretty much described the damage system for Crimson Skies, another one of FASA's games. I guess I'm kind of attached to the Battletech IP due to the sheer amount of development and material poured into it, even though the MechWarrior series seems stuck in 1995 and its most hardcore fans want it that way, and the stories and worldbuilding became increasingly idiotic and poorly written from around 3057 onward. The sheer quantity of lore and stories and detail in Battletech provides a grounding and sense of history to a story that is informed by it (informed by it, not filled with massive infodumps of worldbuilding poo poo nobody cares about, mind you). Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Woolie Wool posted:the stories and worldbuilding became increasingly idiotic and poorly written from around 3057 onward. Is that when the Birdemic began?
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I don't know what the Birdemic is, but 3057 is the Refusal War and the beginning of the partition of the Federated Commonwealth, when the Clans became largely a joke and the storylines became increasingly Davion-centric. The Wobblies showed up in 3058 and things just got worse from there.
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