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Jul 30, 2014 12:23
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Has Elsie Tu really come out against Occupy Central? I thought she was supposed to be the champion of the disenfranchised working class. Or, as a Hong Kong friend who I recently had a huge argument with put it, the working class don't care about democracy when they can't even pay the rent.
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Jul 30, 2014 13:10
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Elsie Tu sold out to the commies 30 years ago.
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Jul 30, 2014 14:22
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Imperialist Dog posted:Has Elsie Tu really come out against Occupy Central? I thought she was supposed to be the champion of the disenfranchised working class. Or, as a Hong Kong friend who I recently had a huge argument with put it, the working class don't care about democracy when they can't even pay the rent. What kind of working class are we talking about? Most of HK are merchants. Does HK have any union besides the dock workers?
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Jul 30, 2014 18:16
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Confederation_of_Trade_Unions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Federation_of_Trade_Unions There are boatloads of unions here. Some of them have to do with boats. I think there are like 6 people who could be considered "merchants" in Hong Kong. The rest belong to either a managerial or labor class. Most are labor.
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Jul 30, 2014 18:32
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Street making GBS threads update. The eating mid street poo poo really makes this one. http://therealsingapore.com/content/dear-trs-i-saw-prc-allowing-her-son-poo poo-publicly-outside-chinatown-mrt  quote:Dear The Real Singapore,
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Jul 31, 2014 05:20
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Is there a dearth of toilets in mainland China? This isn't me being sarcastic I'm actually kind of concerned.
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Jul 31, 2014 08:36
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You know India is actually the world's largest concentration of street making GBS threads, China is still pretty strong though 
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Jul 31, 2014 08:41
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For some reason Indian tourists and expats seem to have gotten the memo that street making GBS threads is not acceptable when abroad. Maybe it's that whole imperialism thing. In any case, I walk past the area of this particular incident regularly and there is no shortage of public toilets.
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Jul 31, 2014 08:52
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I'm really curious if the average self made rags to riches millionaire from India would poo in the streets? It's not possible with the Indian economy  I think I have been in here too long, I start to go crazy and rationalize "Hey at least it's on a drain!"  Street making GBS threads amazes me, I just never understand why. The other day when I just crossed in Shenzhen I saw a 7 year old girl pulling her pants and just started peeing  What exactly makes people want to poo poo/pee on the street even when there are toilets everywhere? Is it the disregard of public space? A class issue? A convenience issue? Lack of education? You don't see the same folks who poo poo on the streets do it in their living rooms. I'm just too confused 
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Jul 31, 2014 09:05
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poo poo happens, if there are no toilets anywhere then I can see it. But most of the stories I read are people making GBS threads on tables/floors/streets within a 30 second walk of a toilet and what 
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Jul 31, 2014 09:08
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I was talking to my buddy about some common HK problems and, after saying a few, he said "But don't people from China poo poo on the street there?" And I started saying "Well, I mean it doesn't happen TOO often and I guess they're uneducated" and he cut me off and said "But they're making GBS threads on the street in a city that's pretty much like New York, right?" And that gave me pause. I was kind of defending it and it's hosed up to poo poo in public.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:10
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I thought the street making GBS threads mainlander problem was exaggerated too. Until I actually saw a street poo poo happen within 50 meters of Ikea's front door. The most egregious case I've seen on the Singapore internet is a mainlander family who had their kid take a piss on the floor of a food court.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:17
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I saw a kid pee into a plastic bag on the platform of Mei Foo MTR station a few weeks ago. Hell, I had inlaws let their daughter pee into a bag in line at the Jungle Cruise Ride at Disney Land. I am still really embarrassed.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:26
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Most of the street making GBS threads/bag peeing stories seem to be kids which might partially explain the phenomenon.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:32
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I think UNICEF needs to expand their Indian poo2loo program to China.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:33
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hailthefish posted:Most of the street making GBS threads/bag peeing stories seem to be kids which might partially explain the phenomenon. It's because in Traditional Chinese Medicine, diapers disrupt the flow of qi through the body.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:33
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hailthefish posted:Most of the street making GBS threads/bag peeing stories seem to be kids which might partially explain the phenomenon. But having the kid poo poo on a table at a KFC, which has a bathroom available for the use of customers, doesn't.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:38
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I guess kids crap and pee a lot, but I've never seen it in public in literally any other place I've been unless the kid wet their pants or diarrhead out the leg which makes me feel bad for them instead of disgusted..
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Jul 31, 2014 09:40
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I did qualify that with 'partially'. Peeing in a bag in line at a Disney Land ride makes a certain redneck-y sort of sense. Pooping on a table literally ten feet from a perfectly usable bathroom makes no sense at all. MeramJert posted:It's because in Traditional Chinese Medicine, diapers disrupt the flow of qi through the body. You might be on to something here.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:41
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hailthefish posted:Most of the street making GBS threads/bag peeing stories seem to be kids which might partially explain the phenomenon. Chinese people will sometimes earnestly argue that baby pee doesn't count.
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Jul 31, 2014 09:56
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What's really amazing is no one ever has the decency to at least be embarrassed, or maybe rethink. Every incident I've heard of, it's "HOW DARE YOU OPPRESS CHINA BY CALLING ME OUT ON THIS?!" Actually, that reminds me of the chinese families I saw at Incheon International last week, stuffing huge quantities of soap from boxes into their bags. Are they reselling it for a profit or something?
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Jul 31, 2014 10:46
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TheBalor posted:What's really amazing is no one ever has the decency to at least be embarrassed, or maybe rethink. Every incident I've heard of, it's "HOW DARE YOU OPPRESS CHINA BY CALLING ME OUT ON THIS?!" No, it's probably for them and their families.
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Jul 31, 2014 10:48
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caberham posted:What exactly makes people want to poo poo/pee on the street even when there are toilets everywhere? I think a lot of it is just cultural, though some to do with lack of science/health education too. I live in Africa and there is the same problem here. I've seen families who have computers, cars, satellite television, etc, just not build latrines for their family. They often think its just not worth the expense -its about ~$120 for a good cement latrine here- when their family has always just used the bushes. It's completely understandable for someone in a rural area just to go in the bushes, since there is very few people around. Low population density means the health and visibility aspects are low. But to do so in the middle of Singapore or Hong Kong? It blows my mind.
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Jul 31, 2014 11:04
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TheBalor posted:Actually, that reminds me of the chinese families I saw at Incheon International last week, stuffing huge quantities of soap from boxes into their bags. Are they reselling it for a profit or something? This annoys me even more than street making GBS threads, even if it's not gross, because it's why Chinese bathrooms don't have toilet paper- if you put it there some people will just take it. I've seen multiple people carrying huge rolls of toilet paper that are from bathroom stalls at the airport before. As for China vs. other countries, I think there are a couple things going on. First (and most importantly), China is still a poor country and it has lots of people who grew up in extreme poverty and only over the past 10-20 years have moved out of that. This should be obvious, but reading all the "China is a rising power" and "China to be the world's #1 economic superpower" articles has an obscuring effect. Second, a certain brand of fygm-ism is pretty strong in China, so the mentality "other people might not like it if my kid shits in public, but why I should have go to the effort of going to a bathroom or changing a diaper" is super common.
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Jul 31, 2014 11:29
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synertia posted:No, it's probably for them and their families. Right, but is Chinese soap that bad? I would have thought they'd have luxury dealers for fancy stuff all over China by now.
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Jul 31, 2014 11:46
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TheBalor posted:What's really amazing is no one ever has the decency to at least be embarrassed, or maybe rethink. Every incident I've heard of, it's "HOW DARE YOU OPPRESS CHINA BY CALLING ME OUT ON THIS?!" Come on man, learn how people work. People react like that because they're embarrassed.
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Jul 31, 2014 11:56
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It's quite common for Chinese people to be mistrustful of things produced or even just sold in China. And the converse of this is that they trust foreign quality control almost implicitly. At the same time, luxury goods in China are sold at a pretty big markup and are often much cheaper in other countries. I think there's a luxury tax responsible for that. Maybe not though.
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Jul 31, 2014 11:58
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I have two kids. One is three and toilet trained. The other is 18 months and not. When we go out, I'll ask my older kid if he has to pee. As we pass the washroom before entering the station, I'll ask if he needs to pee. Basically, never miss an opportunity. And when he says "I gotta pee," then we find a washroom because this is Hong Kong and Jesus gently caress there are toilets everywhere. I have the Toilet Rush app on my phone but haven't needed to use it yet. So far no accidents in public but we always have a change of clothes in my backpack because I'd rather he wet or even poo poo his pants than pull off his trousers and do it on the pavement. My younger son hasn't learned how to tell us he needs to go, so guess what, he will wear a loving diaper until he does! It's not hard and if you have the money to deck your entire family out in Disney merchandise you can buy a drat pack of diapers. Or do what my poor parents did and use cloth diapers that you wash when done.
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Jul 31, 2014 11:59
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dilbertschalter posted:Second, a certain brand of fygm-ism is pretty strong in China, so the mentality "other people might not like it if my kid shits in public, but why I should have go to the effort of going to a bathroom or changing a diaper" is super common. It's not so much fygm, more like shamelessness. The concept of Face doesn't apply to dealing with strangers so you're free to ignore all the people around you and just do what thou wilt.
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Jul 31, 2014 12:02
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Vesi posted:It's not so much fygm, more like shamelessness. The concept of Face doesn't apply to dealing with strangers so you're free to ignore all the people around you and just do what thou wilt. Yes and Chinese people will bitch endlessly about this behavior when they think foreigners aren't listening.
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Jul 31, 2014 12:05
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Speaking of Chinese not trusting domestic products, here's more milk powder melamine!
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Jul 31, 2014 12:14
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Jeoh posted:Speaking of Chinese not trusting domestic products, here's more milk powder melamine! Whoever is responsible for that is a subhuman monster. Because they knew that babies died from it previously and still thought it was acceptable to do this.
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Jul 31, 2014 12:22
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I'm torn. On the one hand, killing babies is wrong.
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Jul 31, 2014 12:44
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Arglebargle III posted:I'm torn. On the one hand, killing babies is wrong. On the other hand, more profit. Well, I know what I'm gonna do.
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Jul 31, 2014 12:57
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Whoever is responsible for that is a subhuman monster. Because they knew that babies died from it previously and still thought it was acceptable to do this. More executions now!
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Jul 31, 2014 13:02
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caberham posted:More executions now! Exactly, and more executions means more organs, so many lives are saved. Everybody wins! (they said they'd stop doing organ harvesting, but I'm not sure if they actually have).
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Jul 31, 2014 13:25
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Bloodnose posted:It's quite common for Chinese people to be mistrustful of things produced or even just sold in China. And the converse of this is that they trust foreign quality control almost implicitly. Yes, there are very large taxes on imported goods. It depends on the type of good, but some imported products can have at least a 100% luxury tax I think.
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Jul 31, 2014 13:27
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dilbertschalter posted:Exactly, and more executions means more organs, so many lives are saved. Everybody wins! Is there a significant amount of money to be gained if they break their promise to stop? If so, they haven't stopped.
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Jul 31, 2014 13:27
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I'm torn. On the one hand, Chinese people are being killed for organs. On the other hand, Chinese people are being saved by those organs.
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Jul 31, 2014 13:48
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