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Entropic posted:I vaguely remember when I was a kid in 6th grade hearing that there was a rule that all the cards in your deck had to be the same language. Was there ever actually a rule like that anywhere? I don't think so. That would have screwed over a lot of people with Legends cards, because there were more packs of Legends printed in Italian than in English. LaTex Fetish posted:sometimes I used foreign language cards because they have different art. I own a Magic card in every language available except Phyrexian (judge foil Elesh is at least $400). Anime Jace is my representative Japanese card.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:23
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The Duel Deck reprint should have anime Jace and Chandra in it just for amusement purposes.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:28
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They should print more cards in Phyrexian.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:29
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Attorney at Funk posted:They should print more cards in Phyrexian. So long as I can figure out more of that language, yes please. Wizards, you teases, Norn was not enough! 
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Jul 31, 2014 22:32
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:I own a Magic card in every language available except Phyrexian
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Jul 31, 2014 22:34
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I love that wizards had someone design an actual phyrexian language, and people have figured out some of the letters and linguistics via the english Elesh Norn. Then wizards/Doug Beyer says that speaking it is impossible for a human, since we dont have the right vocal cords or something like that.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:34
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Gyshall posted:Jeux Traditionnels > Magic: The Gathering: Le Megathread: Dixième édition I believe you mean "Magic: l'assemblée".
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Jul 31, 2014 22:35
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I'd find the Phyrexian stuff more interesting if they weren't just the Magic Borg.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:36
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Angry Grimace posted:That is not "arguably cheating." That is cheating. If someone asks you "that guy has islandwalk and shroud, right?" you're not required to tell them it also has trample. If anyone's going to argue that then they shouldn't play foreign cards, it's the same as seeing an English card across the table and not bothering to read it and instead asking your opponent.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:36
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Ramos posted:So long as I can figure out more of that language, yes please. Wizards, you teases, Norn was not enough! Clearly we should solve the language issue by making every card in Return to New Phyrexia all be in Phyrexian.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:37
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OneDeadman posted:Clearly we should solve the language issue by making every card in Return to New Phyrexia all be in Phyrexian. This, but about Return to Kamigawa and Japanese.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:39
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BJPaskoff posted:If someone asks you "that guy has islandwalk and shroud, right?" you're not required to tell them it also has trample. If anyone's going to argue that then they shouldn't play foreign cards, it's the same as seeing an English card across the table and not bothering to read it and instead asking your opponent. If the card is not readable without reference to outside materials or persons, I think its unsportsmanlike conduct to lie and say it has different abilities.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:39
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Angry Grimace posted:I'd find the Phyrexian stuff more interesting if they weren't just the Magic Borg.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:42
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Spiderdrake posted:I think they're sort of progressing towards being the Magic Cyber-Catholic church now, really. Well, I guess they do have a Magical Robot Pope. 
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Jul 31, 2014 22:45
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AnacondaHL posted:Shuffling:
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Jul 31, 2014 22:46
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Here's a hilarious interaction someone found:quote:Rule 712.5: quote:Rule 100.6b: Judging from Tabak's Tumblr it seems like this really does allow you to use Mindslaver to force your opponent to search for tournaments in their area.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:46
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GottaPayDaTrollToll posted:Here's a hilarious interaction someone found: A question came after that, saying you can use Mindslaver to waste their money if they're using mobile internet.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:49
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Angry Grimace posted:If the card is not readable without reference to outside materials or persons, I think its unsportsmanlike conduct to lie and say it has different abilities. Magic allows for a certain amount of "casual deception" and in the story the player doesn't actually lie. The card does have Islandwalk and Shroud, they simply fail to say it also has Trample. Does the player have an obligation to remind his opponent he forgot? Or it simply enough that he answered the question truthfully. The opponent didn't ask "What abilities does the card have?" or "What does the card say" they simply asked "It has Islandwalk and Shroud right?" and in that case "Yes" is a perfectly truthful answer.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:50
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Serperoth posted:This, but about Return to Kamigawa and Japanese. If we go back to Kamigawa I will totally buy Japanese packs/cards because  .Gonna try to convince my LGS to pick up a French box of Khans instead of his usual Korean/Japanese if he can just because. Spiderdrake posted:I think they're sort of progressing towards being the Magic Cyber-Catholic church now, really. Is the Space-Pope reptilian?
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Jul 31, 2014 22:50
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Cernunnos posted:If we go back to Kamigawa I will totally buy Japanese packs/cards because A perfectly justifiable reaction. I'm still sad that Theros block didn't have anything in Greek. Come on Wizards, you did it with Questing Phelddagrif! Although, if they made Greek cards with the same language quality as on Questing Phelddagrif, I'm not sure if that'd have been good.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:54
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Magic allows for a certain amount of "casual deception" and in the story the player doesn't actually lie. The card does have Islandwalk and Shroud, they simply fail to say it also has Trample. Does the player have an obligation to remind his opponent he forgot? Or it simply enough that he answered the question truthfully. The opponent didn't ask "What abilities does the card have?" or "What does the card say" they simply asked "It has Islandwalk and Shroud right?" and in that case "Yes" is a perfectly truthful answer. Still dickish. This is why you should just ask "what is the oracle text of this card?", because people are dicks.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:55
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Serperoth posted:A perfectly justifiable reaction. I absolutely love my Hebrew Glory. It looks so... portentous.
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Jul 31, 2014 22:57
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Entropic posted:Are you including Pig Latin? 
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Jul 31, 2014 22:57
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Magic allows for a certain amount of "casual deception" and in the story the player doesn't actually lie. The card does have Islandwalk and Shroud, they simply fail to say it also has Trample. Does the player have an obligation to remind his opponent he forgot? Or it simply enough that he answered the question truthfully. The opponent didn't ask "What abilities does the card have?" or "What does the card say" they simply asked "It has Islandwalk and Shroud right?" and in that case "Yes" is a perfectly truthful answer. I don't know whether there is a rule or not that would cover that kind of thing, but there probably should be; that's the kind of thing I'd expect a scummy lawyer to do. I just think its unsportsmanlike and not in the spirit of competition to intentionally conceal something that isn't readily ascertainable, but normally would be. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 23:00
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I know this wasn't actually a great concern of theirs, but I think it's funny that in light of Atinlay Igpay's cumbersome "drawback" its stats really aren't anything remarkable. 6cc 3/3 double strike would most likely be playable in Limited but still not great. Angry Grimace posted:I don't know whether there is a rule or not that would cover that kind of thing, but there probably should be.; that's the kind of thing I'd expect a scummy lawyer to do. I just think its unsportsmanlike and not in the spirit of competition to intentionally conceal something that isn't readily ascertainable, but normally would be. Why is it scummy lawyering not to actively volunteer pertinent reminders about your cards when your opponent doesn't ask for them?
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Jul 31, 2014 23:03
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Entropic posted:Still dickish. Hugely, and flirting so closely with cheating that I would scour the MTR and try to slap that player with a warning for a communication violation and check to see if they haven't gotten some in the past. Angry Grimace posted:I don't know whether there is a rule or not that would cover that kind of thing, but there probably should be; that's the kind of thing I'd expect a scummy lawyer to do. I just think its unsportsmanlike and not in the spirit of competition to intentionally conceal something that isn't readily ascertainable, but normally would be. The problem is we would then need to treat every instance that someone makes a mistake and verbalizes the wrong information, as Unsporting Conduct and that's not really any better. That's why we have a Communications Policy Violation as a softer penalty, so we can stop players from abusing vague and ambiguous answers or "forgetting" things when its perfectly convenient. If someone is making a habit of "forgetting" and telling their opponent the toughness of their Tarmogoyff was 4 only to then "remember" it was 5 during blockers, we have a record and punish people gaming the system. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Jul 31, 2014 |
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Jul 31, 2014 23:03
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What language is the bottom left one? Sanskrit?
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Jul 31, 2014 23:04
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Angry Grimace posted:I don't know whether there is a rule or not that would cover that kind of thing, but there probably should be; that's the kind of thing I'd expect a scummy lawyer to do. I just think its unsportsmanlike and not in the spirit of competition to intentionally conceal something that isn't readily ascertainable, but normally would be. Yeah there was a pretty long debate about it afterward. If an invite was on the line what would you do? If I'm being truthful and not breaking the rules and I'm at comp rel I think I would probably give myself every advantage I could. I think we can all agree that it's scummy, but also that whether it's scummy or not isn't really the point.
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Prism posted:What language is the bottom left one? Sanskrit?
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Jul 31, 2014 23:05
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Yeah there was a pretty long debate about it afterward. If an invite was on the line what would you do? If I'm being truthful and not breaking the rules and I'm at comp rel I think I would probably give myself every advantage I could. I think we can all agree that it's scummy, but also that whether it's scummy or not isn't really the point. If an invite was on the line, I still would not have done that. I guess I feel like telling an intentionally misleading half-truth is about as fair as quoting Ralph Macchio saying "I shot the clerk." Prism posted:What language is the bottom left one? Sanskrit? Its the Apocalypse prerelease promo Fungal Shambler printed in Sanskrit.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:12
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JerryLee posted:I know this wasn't actually a great concern of theirs, but I think it's funny that in light of Atinlay Igpay's cumbersome "drawback" its stats really aren't anything remarkable. 6cc 3/3 double strike would most likely be playable in Limited but still not great. Speaking of drawbacks on Unhinged cards, Carnivorous Death-Parrot has a really well designed one in the context of the set. Saying his flavor text triggers the whole cycle of uncommon Gotcha cards.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:19
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The biggest flaw in Unhinged was the number of cards that punished speaking. Once a Gotcha card entered a graveyard, the best move is to play the rest of the game silently.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:22
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:The biggest flaw in Unhinged was the number of cards that punished speaking. Once a Gotcha card entered a graveyard, the best move is to play the rest of the game silently. MaRo said as much in his Unhinged podcast, Gotcha! was an amazingly unfun mechanic.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:24
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I can remember two times Gotcha! led to a good story. Once it led to both of us speaking in French, and then I shifted into German because of Keeper of the Sacred Word. Another time, I had 3 Number Crunch in my graveyard, and I discretely told a friend to walk up behind my opponent and ask him for the time. Otherwise, it just led to competitive people being careful not to talk and casual people losing horribly when they tried to have a fun conversation during the game.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:28
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To be fair, anytime that happened it's because people would batten down the hatches in "must win this parody game of a nerdgame  " mode.I suspect they envisioned people just yukking it up with their buddies as normal, and occasionally someone getting nailed by Gotcha! and it being like slipping on a banana peel, but they didn't envision just how serious business it would still be treated. A good compromise might have been to have Gotcha work like flashback, as in it casts itself one more time when you gotcha someone and then gets exiled. But I'm sure people would still have chosen to play their super important Unhinged game in morbid silence because god forbid some feelbads occur.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:31
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JerryLee posted:To be fair, anytime that happened it's because people would batten down the hatches in "must win this parody game of a nerdgame Really I think the Gotchas like Stop That and Cardpecker were fine since they were more subtle habits you don't really notice you do.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:34
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Chorocojo posted:Really I think the Gotchas like Stop That and Cardpecker were fine since they were more subtle habits you don't really notice you do. For sure. Also, in the case of Stop That, it was actually a habit that many people would probably have enjoyed having some negative pressure against. They should have had a card that gets amplified if your opponent puts land in front of spells, and so forth.
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Jul 31, 2014 23:37
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JerryLee posted:They should have had a card that gets amplified if your opponent puts land in front of spells, and so forth. Why would people be punished for playing Magic properly? 
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Not to get back to "foreign" card chat, but I am an English speaker not living in an English speaking country. I am lucky enough to get about a 50/50 split of English/Traditional Chinese cards in the stores here. Every pre-release I play in uses non-English cards. About 80% of the packs people play with in FMN are non-English. I was just at a GP where the top 8 had people from 5 different countries (Taiwan, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Hong Kong.) Even though the GP was in Taiwan, I would say...about 1/2 of the people playing in it did not speak Mandarin as their first language and a 1/3rd don't use Traditional Chinese to read. Just playing in a Standard side tournament, I faced people using English, Traditional Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Simplified Chinese, and Spanish cards. If I were unable to use my non-English cards in FMN and other things when I go back to the US to see my family, I don't think I could make any...deck. At all. If I was not able to use cards in whatever language I have, I wouldn't be able to play Magic at all. So gently caress that.
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