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Master Twig posted:I'm going to run this list tonight. Does it make me a bad person? You've got Raveners in there, so you're okay.
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Raveners are good.  I don't care what people say. They've more than made up their points on many occasions.
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Master Twig posted:Raveners are good. I agree that Raveners can be good and are a fun and fluffy add into an army. I also agree that they're not especially competitive and most gunline armies will laugh them off the table. T4 multi-wound models have an obvious weakness and also every army in the game can take advantage of it.
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Aug 1, 2014 17:50
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If it were just S8+ stuff they would be okay, but everything is good against Raveners. A 5+ armor save does jack poo poo for protection and in close combat they have nothing else to rely on. It's the same problem Ogryn have- decent stats don't make up for lovely armor.
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Aug 1, 2014 18:22
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Speaking of models that suffer a S8 weakness, I did a quick repaint of one of my original Tyranid Warriors from when I originally started playing Warhammer 40,000 sometime in 2001.
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Aug 1, 2014 18:27
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Nice! I really like the Warrior models and your scheme looks great on them. Nice basing too.
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Aug 1, 2014 18:29
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Aw, shucks you guys. It was actually a pretty easy conversion once I figured out what the hell I was doing; I can draw up a diagram if anybody's curious. Also, those Gal Vorbak 
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Aug 1, 2014 18:42
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Is there a consensus on whether or not Thousand Sons are worth using in 7e? They still seem really over costed to me, but maybe I'm missing something.
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Aug 1, 2014 18:45
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Hi thread, I've been working on my Dark Angels lately, and I finally have more than a single tactical squad painted, so here are some pictures of mans. A rhino, super basic but functional:  Some bikes, with hella meltas:  Terminators. Their bases aren't done yet, and they look worse in real life:  Thanks, Anamal.net PS the goal is to have the 1k list painted in full for a game on the 16th, which gives me two weeks to paint a tactical squad, a razorback, and the DV librarian, which is probably do-able.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:06
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Dump_Stat posted:Is there a consensus on whether or not Thousand Sons are worth using in 7e? They still seem really over costed to me, but maybe I'm missing something. Thousand Sons are considered generally good, but overpriced. They pay a high cost for a moderate save and the privilege of attaching a ML1 Tzeentchian Psyker to their unit. As much as I love the fluff and would like to see a Thousand Sons see a gaming table, they have been overcosted for at least the last two editions.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:18
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Space Wolves are up for pre-order on geedubs. The codex and that new Dreadnought are there, and the codex touts "5 new units" - I'm guessing those are the two airplanes, Murderfang, Venerable Dreadnought (I don't recall if Wolves got them, aside from Bjorn) and I can't think of the fifth thing. E: God dang, the 360 views of the Dreadnought are really, really nice.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:43
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SRM posted:Space Wolves are up for pre-order on geedubs. The codex and that new Dreadnought are there, and the codex touts "5 new units" - I'm guessing those are the two airplanes, Murderfang, Venerable Dreadnought (I don't recall if Wolves got them, aside from Bjorn) and I can't think of the fifth thing. They may be counting the resculpt of Bjorn as "new." Better yet, they're talking about Krom Dragongaze from the Stormclaw set.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:56
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So the three dreads are just one set. That's pretty neat, would allow you to convert existing dreads to the new ones with all the extra bits.
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Aug 1, 2014 19:57
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PierreTheMime posted:They may be counting the resculpt of Bjorn as "new." Better yet, they're talking about Krom Dragongaze from the Stormclaw set. Creepy Goat posted:So the three dreads are just one set. That's pretty neat, would allow you to convert existing dreads to the new ones with all the extra bits.  )
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Aug 1, 2014 20:07
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~$225 for a codex, lol
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PierreTheMime posted:Thousand Sons are considered generally good, but overpriced. They pay a high cost for a moderate save and the privilege of attaching a ML1 Tzeentchian Psyker to their unit. As much as I love the fluff and would like to see a Thousand Sons see a gaming table, they have been overcosted for at least the last two editions. I have a squad that I tooled around with in 6E, but I haven't used them in 7E. Right now, I'm running two ML3 Sorcerers and have been weighing whether they're worth paying the high points over taking my Plague marines, given the additional mastery level. Edit: I also love their fluff. Ghosts in hollow suits of power armor. even if they kept their high points cost, I'd jump on them if they had a 3++ like Legion of the Damned or a 5+ Feel No Pain (Since they literally cannot feel anything).
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Dump_Stat posted:Edit: I also love their fluff. Ghosts in hollow suits of power armor. even if they kept their high points cost, I'd jump on them if they had a 3++ like Legion of the Damned or a 5+ Feel No Pain (Since they literally cannot feel anything). Back in the 3.5 book, Thousand Sons had 2 wounds instead of an invulnerable save. It made them really resilient to small arms, but things like krak missiles or lascannons would still take them out. I wouldn't mind seeing a return to that though it'd probably step on the plague marines' toes a little. As-is they just aren't tough enough to justify their cost. To be fair though, they didn't use to have AP3 bolters. I don't know how well the two would play out when combined.
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Aug 1, 2014 20:27
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just a heads up it seems like space wolves storm shields are now blizzard shields blizzard shields
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Nail Rat posted:~$225 for a codex, lol Even for CE items, those prices are ridiculous - though there's a lot of video games that reach that price too. It's insane. e: They are pretty though.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:just a heads up it seems like space wolves storm shields are now blizzard shields
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Aug 1, 2014 20:54
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Thousand Sons pay way too much for their crappy Psyker, 4++ and AP3. The Aspiring Sorcerer is pretty bad unless he rolls Bolt of Tzeentch or whatever the beam power is called. 4++ is nice, but it does basically nothing against most shooting nowadays which is high Strength and high AP. A Wave Serpent or Annihilation Barge doesn't give a poo poo about your 4++, they're just taking you down by forcing a million armor saves. AP3 is also nice, but it's effectiveness is dimished a lot by being only S4, and with SnP you can't even overwatch with your AP3. I wish Thousand Sons could take a Heavy Bolter or two with Inferno Bolts, that would make them pretty good I think.
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There's also a Champions of Fenris supplement in one of the limited editions, but of course we have no idea what's in it. It's Dreadnought Troops and I will buy a dozen.
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ANAmal.net posted:Hi thread, Dude, these are loving rad! Great job so far. Looking forward to playing a full-painted game. You should consider painting the tactical designation arrow on the top doors--it'll make a huge difference. Also the DA transfers aren't bad, so consider doing one of those on the side or the front. If you are worried about doing straight lines, the arrow on the doors is big enough that you can mark it off with painter's tape and then paint/spray it on.
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Ojetor posted:Thousand Sons pay way too much for their crappy Psyker, 4++ and AP3. The Aspiring Sorcerer is pretty bad unless he rolls Bolt of Tzeentch or whatever the beam power is called. 4++ is nice, but it does basically nothing against most shooting nowadays which is high Strength and high AP. A Wave Serpent or Annihilation Barge doesn't give a poo poo about your 4++, they're just taking you down by forcing a million armor saves. AP3 is also nice, but it's effectiveness is dimished a lot by being only S4, and with SnP you can't even overwatch with your AP3. Yeah, I think they would be a lot better with some sort of heavy weapon upgrade. I've always thought it'd be cool to give them a choice of taking AP3 heavy bolters or AP3 autocannons.
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Soulfucker posted:Oh are we doing progress posts? I'm in: Played this together with a Carnifex Brood, Acid Tyrannofex and some regular Tyrants in a 2000 pts game against a buddy's Tau gunline list. It was a terrific slaughter 
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Safety Factor posted:Back in the 3.5 book, Thousand Sons had 2 wounds instead of an invulnerable save. It made them really resilient to small arms, but things like krak missiles or lascannons would still take them out. I wouldn't mind seeing a return to that though it'd probably step on the plague marines' toes a little. As-is they just aren't tough enough to justify their cost. To be fair though, they didn't use to have AP3 bolters. I don't know how well the two would play out when combined. Didn't they spend some time ignoring any range attack that didnt cause Instant Death or did they keep that rule to DE Grotesques?
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Wait, did GW just make it canon that Bjorn is pissed because of all the WOLFWOLFWOLF bullshit? Okay, that actually rules. 
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Aug 1, 2014 21:35
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Nail Rat posted:~$225 for a codex, lol How many of you dumb fuckers gonna buy this? I'm betting at least one.
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Aug 1, 2014 21:41
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Wait, really? I don't speak German, but that's kind of hilarious. Bjorn should just be the grumpiest old man.Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Didn't they spend some time ignoring any range attack that didnt cause Instant Death or did they keep that rule to DE Grotesques?
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Magni posted:Wait, did GW just make it canon that Bjorn is pissed because of all the WOLFWOLFWOLF bullshit? Okay, that actually rules. My German's pretty rusty; what's the gist of it?
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Aug 1, 2014 21:44
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So wait the only place that Dataslate or whatever is going to be available for Logan Grimnar is in the Space Wolves Holy shitballs edition? So unless you pay 250 bucks your not getting that poo poo , suck it poors.
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Aug 1, 2014 21:46
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It'll be available separatel digitally, the CE just gets a physical version day one.
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Hollismason posted:So wait the only place that Dataslate or whatever is going to be available for Logan Grimnar is in the Space Wolves Holy shitballs edition? Just wait for it to be released alone? The exact same thing happened with the Ork supplement.
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Magni posted:Wait, did GW just make it canon that Bjorn is pissed because of all the WOLFWOLFWOLF bullshit? Okay, that actually rules. That would be really great.
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Grey-Hunters are still a crazy good deal what with being the price of basically a tactical marine with Counter Attack. I wonder what "special " rule the over all Space Wolf army will have or if it will have something like the different types of Space Marines.
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Aug 1, 2014 22:08
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All space wolves will have the fear USR, but lack ATSKNF
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Aug 1, 2014 22:15
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Aug 1, 2014 22:34
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Not a viking posted:
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Welp there's the fifth model. Someone please post the Seinfeld-throwing-up-his-hands-and-leaving gif, tia.
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