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I honestly think the "but GMOs will eliminate biodiversity" thing is the weirdest and wrongest complaint. It can be disproved by looking at their seed catalogs.
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Remember how the industrial revolution lead to cottage industries like weaving becoming mechanized and consolidated into massive textile corporations and now you can only buy clothes that only come in one style, don't fit right, and give you cancer? Edit: Also, anyone caught making their own clothes was sued into debtor's prison. Protocol 5 fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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Nintendo Kid posted:I honestly think the "but GMOs will eliminate biodiversity" thing is the weirdest and wrongest complaint. It can be disproved by looking at their seed catalogs. Since GMOs are ~unnatural~, no amount of different GMO strains will ever be considered biodiverse by people making that argument.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:Since GMOs are ~unnatural~, no amount of different GMO strains will ever be considered biodiverse by people making that argument. Sounds like these people havn't heard of bananas.
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Aug 3, 2014 10:25
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In this year's mayor election for Maui county, nearly every primary candidate is running on anti-GMO platforms. Some of them are running only on an anti-GMO platform. It's sad
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SniHjen posted:Sounds like these people havn't heard of bananas. So is conventional breeding, which is good because
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Nintendo Kid posted:I honestly think the "but GMOs will eliminate biodiversity" thing is the weirdest and wrongest complaint. It can be disproved by looking at their seed catalogs. https://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/11/29/166156242/cornstalks-everywhere-but-nothing-else-not-even-a-bee This is what they mean when they say GMOs remove biodiversity. Intensively farmed corn fields have almost no life besides trillions of stalks of corn. Which will then be turned into sugar or fuel. In case you didn't know, we are currently in the middle a massive extinction event, so I have a huge problem with modern intensive agriculture which worsens the biotic crisis.
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Looks like the US government has decided to ban GMOs and neonicotinoid pesticides on wildlife refuges. Obviously good news  news.yahoo.com/u-bans-gmos-bee-killing-pesticides-wildlife-refuges-193150944.html
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Aug 3, 2014 15:29
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:https://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/11/29/166156242/cornstalks-everywhere-but-nothing-else-not-even-a-bee Oh, so nothing related to actual biodiversity at all, nice. Fields full of the same crop have been around for decades before GMOs even existed, broheimer.
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Aug 3, 2014 15:32
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Nintendo Kid posted:Oh, so nothing related to actual biodiversity at all, nice. I don think you understand what biodiversity means.
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Aug 3, 2014 15:40
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I don think you understand what biodiversity means.  "WHEAT FIELDS ONLY HAVE WHEAT IN THEM!" every other page?
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Aug 3, 2014 15:46
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I don think you understand what biodiversity means. What did the story you posted have to do with GMOs? It has to do with monocrops, not GMOs. They're different issues, as you stubbornly refuse to learn. Tight Booty Shorts posted:Looks like the US government has decided to ban GMOs and neonicotinoid pesticides on wildlife refuges. Obviously good news Why would they ever use GMOs in refuges in the first place?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I don think you understand what biodiversity means. I do. Having your field full of one crop is neither new nor a threat to biodiversity.
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Aug 3, 2014 15:57
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Nintendo Kid posted:I do. Having your field full of one crop is neither new nor a threat to biodiversity. Kudzu: Threat to biodiversity.
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Nintendo Kid posted:I do. Having your field full of one crop is neither new nor a threat to biodiversity. When these fields take up almost 40% of all land, then we have a huge threat to it. It's not about one field, it's about all the fields.
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Aug 3, 2014 16:06
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:When these fields take up almost 40% of all land, then we have a huge threat to it. It's not about one field, it's about all the fields. But they don't, and it's ridiculous to suggest they will. Only 15% of the Earth's surface is arable land and significant chunks of that are within developed areas. So I don't know, maybe you're concerned about what happens when we terraform Mars or something? That's the only chance we have of creating land that's 40% arable. But I'm seriously sorry that you think you know anything about biodiversity.
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Nintendo Kid posted:But they don't, and it's ridiculous to suggest they will. Only 15% of the Earth's surface is arable land and significant chunks of that are within developed areas. So I don't know, maybe you're concerned about what happens when we terraform Mars or something? That's the only chance we have of creating land that's 40% arable. data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.AGRI.ZS/countries/1W?display=graph I'm sorry that you think you know anything about anything. (Phoneposting from beach, please forgive any formattin errors)
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QuarkJets posted:In this year's mayor election for Maui county, nearly every primary candidate is running on anti-GMO platforms. Some of them are running only on an anti-GMO platform. It's sad That seems insane, considering GM papaya basically saved that entire industry in Hawaii. http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/sections/news/local-news/papaya-gmo-success-story.html Tight Booty Shorts posted:https://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/11/29/166156242/cornstalks-everywhere-but-nothing-else-not-even-a-bee Once again, this has nothing to do with GMOs you loving moron.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:data.worldbank.org/indicator/AG.LND.AGRI.ZS/countries/1W?display=graph This does not show that 40% of the land is covered by crops at all, let alone GMO evil monoculture crops. Please try again. Since you aren't very bright, that says 37% of the Earth's land is agricultural land of which the majority is non-crop land e.g. pastures and the like. According to United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization, Statistics Analysis Service, Compendium of Agricultural-Environmental Indicators 1989–91 to 2000 (Rome, November 2003), p. 11. 25% of the earth's surface is given over to man-made and natural pastureland for the use of animals as part of agriculture, making up most of the land under "agricultural" use. Nintendo Kid fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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Slanderer posted:That seems insane, considering GM papaya basically saved that entire industry in Hawaii. Yes it does have to do with GMOs, you fuking moron.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Yes it does have to do with GMOs, you fuking moron. It manifestly does not, I am sorry that you are ignorant about what a GMO is and does.
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Aug 3, 2014 16:24
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Incidentally, actively cultivating 40% of the earth's land with actual crops would require absolutely massive increases in irrigation and fertilizer usage, as well as plain energy usage. It might actually be impossible to manage, and the resulting increase in food production would result in most countries having tons upon tons of uneatable food crops just rotting every harvest.
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Hey now, just because 40% of the earths land is arable land ( I couldn't write that without giggling) doesn't mean we have to plant crops in all of it.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:When these fields take up almost 40% of all land, then we have a huge threat to it. It's not about one field, it's about all the fields. In that case, it seems obvious that sustainable agricultural techniques such as no-till farming (achievable on large scales only with GMOs) and the highest possible bushels per acre (so as to reduce the total amount of land needed for agriculture) would be desirable. An agricultural policy centered around environmental sustainability, while also meeting human needs, naturally includes the use of genetic modification as a way to enable farmers to engage in environmental stewardship.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:https://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/11/29/166156242/cornstalks-everywhere-but-nothing-else-not-even-a-bee Germany has essentially no GMOs. Germany has endless cornfields which are biologically dead and exist solely to provide area for dumping slurry and to feed biogas power plants. Do you think this is because of GMOs, you loving moron?
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:When these fields take up almost 40% of all land, then we have a huge threat to it. It's not about one field, it's about all the fields. What does this have to do with GMOs? You know that giant fields of a single crop have existed long before GMOs did, right?
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QuarkJets posted:What does this have to do with GMOs? You know that giant fields of a single crop have existed long before GMOs did, right? It has a lot to do with GMOs if you think the term GMO means "any kind of agriculture I don't like".
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QuarkJets posted:What does this have to do with GMOs? You know that giant fields of a single crop have existed long before GMOs did, right? No, clearly before 1993 all farmers used wildly different crops and breeds of each crop on each field. 
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blowfish posted:Germany has essentially no GMOs. Germany has endless cornfields which are biologically dead and exist solely to provide area for dumping slurry and to feed biogas power plants. Do you think this is because of GMOs, you loving moron? Maybe, you loving moron. Modern agriculture is one of the greatest contributors to climate change. I don't have an issue with GMOs, and I've said that many times. I think it's ironic that the people in this thread consider themselves to be bastions of scientific reasoning but fail to see how the very systems and corporations they are defending are literally endangering the survival every living thing on this planet.
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quote:This is what they mean when they say GMOs remove biodiversity. quote:Yes it does have to do with GMOs, you fuking moron. quote:I don't have an issue with GMOs, and I've said that many times. And around and around we go.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Maybe, you loving moron. For gently caress's sake, as long as you go first. 
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Maybe, you loving moron. So then why are shouting about GMOs hurting biodiversity in the GMO thread and complaining about how they might take up 40% of the world's land (when all current cropland takes up less than 13%)?
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I think I hosed up some links because I've been away from a computer all day, but it doesn't make the fact that modern intensive farming suck any less true.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I think I hosed up some links because I've been away from a computer all day, but it doesn't make the fact that modern intensive farming suck any less true. So take it to the "bitch about modern intensive farming" thread. This one is about GMOs.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:I think I hosed up some links because I've been away from a computer all day, but it doesn't make the fact that modern intensive farming suck any less true. Modern intensive farming doesn't suck to begin with, so it could hardly suck less.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Modern intensive farming doesn't suck to begin with, so it could hardly suck less. It could definitely suck less. Modern intensive farming isn't the alpha and omega. It's still got a lot of unsustainability in it.
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Obdicut posted:It could definitely suck less. Modern intensive farming isn't the alpha and omega. It's still got a lot of unsustainability in it. For all that this is true, large increases in land used for farming, increased tillage, and so on would be a net environmental disaster even if it included more non-crop species living in the fields.
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Killer robot posted:For all that this is true, large increases in land used for farming, increased tillage, and so on would be a net environmental disaster even if it included more non-crop species living in the fields. Oh, absolutely. I'm not arguing that. Just that in fighting back against tight booty short's ridiculous hyperbole, resorting to hyperbole isn't a good idea.
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Obdicut posted:It could definitely suck less. Modern intensive farming isn't the alpha and omega. It's still got a lot of unsustainability in it. His definition of modern intensive farming includes "not growing 5 different crops on the same farm" and other such things, aka almost all farming, so it's safe to say it doesn't suck.
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