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m2pt5 posted:If I remember correctly, throughout the first season Gideon had 4 fingers, but in the one brief shot of him in the S2 opener he has 3. He had some Yakuza debts.
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AxeManiac posted:So that whole theory on 3 or 4 fingers on a hand isn't really anything is it? Cause it just looks like adults have 4 fingers and kids have 3, but then also sometimes Gideon has 4. I'd be willing to bet a significant chunk of money that the reason for the 3/4 finger difference is that its easier to do 3 fingers on child characters since they have smaller hands and 4 fingers on adult characters since they have larger hands/wrists and giving them only 3 fingers would look weirder. Gideons a fat kid so he has bigger hands, which means that 3 fingers would also look weird on him. Aside from the 6 fingered hand being mentioned specifically as a trait of the Journals author, I'd imagine that there isn't really supposed to be any real meaning in the difference between fingers. Pretty sure in Gravity Falls you don't start growing a pinky when you go through puberty or what have you.
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Bob Quixote posted:I'd be willing to bet a significant chunk of money that the reason for the 3/4 finger difference is that its easier to do 3 fingers on child characters since they have smaller hands and 4 fingers on adult characters since they have larger hands/wrists and giving them only 3 fingers would look weirder. Gideon lost a finger between seasons. If you still want to bet, I will take the other side of it.
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Aug 3, 2014 01:18
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Some Numbers posted:Gideon lost a finger between seasons. If you still want to bet, I will take the other side of it. Sure I'm game. No reference will be made in the show to number of fingers = wisdom, with the exception of the apparent 6 fingered freak of a journal author. Jokes on you though chump, I'm pretty much penniless and heavily in debt! Haha! 
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Bob Quixote posted:Sure I'm game. No reference will be made in the show to number of fingers = wisdom, with the exception of the apparent 6 fingered freak of a journal author. So am I. Gentleman's wager? More accurately, I'm specifically betting that the different number of fingers is a deliberate choice that is not related to ease of animation. I'm not claiming to know what it refers to, but it means something in the confines of the show. Some Numbers fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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Just chiming in to say that I'm really digging the darker and more breakneck pace that these two episodes have been taking as well. The SDCC Trailer certainly gave the impression of heightened stakes in comparison to the first season, and it certainly hasn't disappointed thus far in that regard. I'm actually getting the same sort of vibe from the general tone and story structure that I did from watching Mystery Incorporated, which I can definitely get behind. Also, I love the fact that we've gotten two porn jokes in as many episodes in a Disney show of all things. 
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Aug 3, 2014 05:16
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Should I watch Mystery Incorporated? I've heard it mentioned several times.
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Harry posted:Any word on this season having a more stable release schedule? Well episode 3 is scheduled for a week from Monday, and after that there don't appear to be any other episodes scheduled for August. So expect another mini-hiatus. They're still working on the season as we speak, so time will tell. But obviously don't expect a new episode every week back to back. As for the move to XD, there's talk they want to make it their official animation channel. But this general TV attitude of making people pay more money for premium channels to watch a handful of shows that they can easily watch/buy online, just doesn't really gel. As much as I love Gravity Falls, I wouldn't buy XD just for it.
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These episodes weren't very good because in focusing on the merely okay serial plotting they kinda forgot to bring the humor Sure the monster designs are great but I watch gf because it's funny, which these eps weren't really at all
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:These episodes weren't very good because in focusing on the merely okay serial plotting they kinda forgot to bring the humor If you don't think stopping a zombie horde through terrible karaoke is hilarious then get out of this thread.
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Some Numbers posted:If you don't think stopping a zombie horde through terrible karaoke is hilarious then get out of this thread. Yeah that was ok, as was zombie soos and soos' "have fun sleeping tonight!" In the second episode, but that was kinda it I just don't really give a gently caress about the larger mystery of gravity falls especially when it comes at the cost of character interaction, which is exactly what these episodes did These episodes were almost painfully unfunny, so focused on the whole mystery aspect which isn't anywhere near as interesting as most people think it is The mysteries work best as external metaphors for internal struggle for Mabel/dipper, and as pure episodic set pieces This whole focus on serialization isn't doing the characters or the show any favors because it's a kid's show and quite frankly the writing by definition can't be as sophisticated as it aspires to be, especially when it comes at sacrificing the humor for it
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I thought the episodes were pretty hilarious. 
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I liked Wendy having more to do than "Dipper's weird crush". I hope she gets more to do without having only that attachment to the show.
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Some Numbers posted:So am I. Gentleman's wager? There was an ama on reddit with the creative director who said it was entirely for ease of animation. http://www.reddit.com/r/gravityfalls/comments/zzyin/im_michael_rianda_cartoonist_and_creative/. I had suspected that when I noticed a bunch of adults had 4 fingers while some had 5.
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:These episodes weren't very good because in focusing on the merely okay serial plotting they kinda forgot to bring the humor No comedy? Soos nailed almost every line, man.
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Some Numbers posted:Should I watch Mystery Incorporated? I've heard it mentioned several times. Also you have an episode where Jeffry Combs voices an HP Lovecraft pastiche and Harlan Ellison is a special guest. Oh and the mayor of the town is voiced by Gary Cole.
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What's with Nick Offerman's character being credited as "Key Vigenère"? Referencing the Vigenère cipher, of course, but why the name replacement?
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I don't know whether it's the case here, but oftentimes when that happens it's because the actor took the role as an unpaid favor. SAG-AFTRA stipulates specific pay rates for credited actors, and a pseudonym is a way around that. Aqua Teen Hunger force is a pretty prominent example; essentially every guest actor who's ever appeared on that show has done so under a pseudonym.
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Aug 3, 2014 10:36
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:Yeah that was ok, as was zombie soos and soos' "have fun sleeping tonight!" In the second episode, but that was kinda it  It has begun
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:Yeah that was ok, as was zombie soos and soos' "have fun sleeping tonight!" In the second episode, but that was kinda it I heartily laughed several times while watching those two episodes and couldn't wipe a dumb smile off of my face for forty minutes. Are you going through some rough times?
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The mysteries work best as external metaphors for internal struggle for Mabel/dipper, and as pure episodic set pieces
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Paladinus posted:I heartily laughed several times while watching those two episodes and couldn't wipe a dumb smile off of my face for forty minutes. Are you going through some rough times? Yeah, my thoughts exactly. These two episodes were among the most enjoyable in the whole show so far for me. The tone might've been a bit darker than in most of the first season but I laughed a lot and my stupid grin never waned. I wasn't keeping tabs on the number of gags per minute but in hindsight it didn't feel especially low to me. Also, Suspicious Dish posted:The mysteries work best as external metaphors for internal struggle for Mabel/dipper, and as pure episodic set pieces Zat fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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That would be a great tongue in cheek thread title if the thread wasn't brand new. Keep that in mind for later.
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I agree these episodes weren't as "funny" and I missed the laugh-a-minute of some of the other episodes, but they were still incredibly strong and I think set a superb opening for season 2, which I'm sure will have many episodes with different tones, just like Season 1.
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gandlethorpe posted:What's with Nick Offerman's character being credited as "Key Vigenère"? Referencing the Vigenère cipher, of course, but why the name replacement? I know a lot of actors do roles under different names to dodge problems with contracts/acting unions/that sort of jazz, maybe it was something like that? Orrr maybe Hirsch was just like "Hey we're gonna replace your name to do our weird credit cipher thing" and Offerman was like "Cool" 'cause he's just a swell guy.
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They probably gave us two mystery-focused episodes to start the season with a bang, the next one already looks like a more comedy-focused story.
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There's also at least one element to these episodes other than "mystery" vs. "characters/humor", which is that they're loaded with action scenes. Gravity Falls has always enjoyed its thrilling action scenes, ever since Tourist Trapped, and the ones in 2x01 and 2x02 just happened to be way longer and more involved than usual.
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I'm so glad this is back. Zombie Soos was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.
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pksage posted:There's also at least one element to these episodes other than "mystery" vs. "characters/humor", which is that they're loaded with action scenes. Gravity Falls has always enjoyed its thrilling action scenes, ever since Tourist Trapped, and the ones in 2x01 and 2x02 just happened to be way longer and more involved than usual. Yeah, was gonna say that. I did notice that these eps were somewhat less "funny" than the first season, but they weren't any less entertaining, all in all.
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mallratcal posted:Zombie Soos was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.
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Clockwork Rocktapus posted:Was I the only one who thought Soos's lines were both hilarious and terrifying as a zombie? Like the situation is so scary and dire that having that bit of humor is really unnerving. Nah, just you. Hehe, sorry dude.
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Just like Dipper's internet history was a hilarious line, both episodes were plenty funny.E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:This whole focus on serialization isn't doing the characters or the show any favors because it's a kid's show and quite frankly the writing by definition can't be as sophisticated as it aspires to be, especially when it comes at sacrificing the humor for it I completely disagree. I think that Gravity Falls is capable of being an excellent serialized mystery show because it's a kids show. Maybe being a kids show and trying not to get too complex will stop it from ending up a steaming pile of pretentious bullshit that doesn't make any sense, you know, like what happens with every other mystery show. (*cough cough*  )
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counterfeitsaint posted:Just like Dipper's internet history was a hilarious line, both episodes were plenty funny. Besides, Adventure Time is a serialized show and it's the most successful kids show on TV today.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I completely disagree. I think that Gravity Falls is capable of being an excellent serialized mystery show because it's a kids show. Maybe being a kids show and trying not to get too complex will stop it from ending up a steaming pile of pretentious bullshit that doesn't make any sense, you know, like what happens with every other mystery show. (*cough cough* You have to keep in mind that The mysteries work best as external metaphors for internal struggle for Mabel/dipper, and as pure episodic set pieces
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counterfeitsaint posted:Just like Dipper's internet history was a hilarious line, both episodes were plenty funny. I'm convinced that any post from a person who tells everyone how x overarcing serialized mystery show will be totally great unlike that piece of poo poo lost or whatever 1) doesn't know what they're talking about 2) completely, hilariously missed the entire point of lost to the point where they're so far afield of a relevant criticism besides "I don't loving like lost let me bitch about it by comparing something completely unrelated to it" Ed: also lol at complaining about how every serialized mystery show ends up "a steaming pile of pretentious bullshit" literally within the same year true detective and Fargo came out, lol Ed2: lol NieR Occomata fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:I'm convinced that any post from a person who tells everyone how x overarcing serialized mystery show will be totally great unlike that piece of poo poo lost or whatever 1) doesn't know what they're talking about 2) completely, hilariously missed the entire point of lost to the point where they're so far afield of a relevant criticism besides "I don't loving like lost let me bitch about it by comparing something completely unrelated to it" Lol, because both True Detective and Fargo had only eight and ten episodes respectively to tell their stories. Also, how Fargo is a mystery show is beyond me. 
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:I'm convinced that any post from a person who tells everyone how x overarcing serialized mystery show will be totally great unlike that piece of poo poo lost or whatever 1) doesn't know what they're talking about 2) completely, hilariously missed the entire point of lost to the point where they're so far afield of a relevant criticism besides "I don't loving like lost let me bitch about it by comparing something completely unrelated to it" A better example that's also animated is Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc. Having 52 episodes to do everything like that for a cartoon is pretty much a blessing and a godsend and is quite funny given the similar amounts of schedule fuckery involved with that show.
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E PLURIBUS ANUS posted:I'm convinced that any post from a person who tells everyone how x overarcing serialized mystery show will be totally great unlike that piece of poo poo lost or whatever 1) doesn't know what they're talking about 2) completely, hilariously missed the entire point of lost to the point where they're so far afield of a relevant criticism besides "I don't loving like lost let me bitch about it by comparing something completely unrelated to it" 1) 100% of the marketing and hype surrounding Lost for the first several seasons was about the island and the mysteries surrounding it. Absolutely no one gave a poo poo about the character, none of the promotional or ARG stuff focused on characters, most it didn't even mention them. People who love to say it has always been about the characters and the island was always a barely relevant backdrop has a short memory or a koolaid mustache. 2) This is coming from the guy who said "The mysteries work best as external metaphors for internal struggle for Mabel/dipper, and as pure episodic set pieces" 2b) Also who didn't think the last two episodes were funny enough 3) Making lists on the internet makes you come off as super douchey doesn't it? Edit 1: Sorry for offending your sacred cow of a show. Upon further reflection I think you're right, anyone who has an opinion different than yours does not, in fact, know anything at all. Good point. Edit 2: Lol. counterfeitsaint fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:1) 100% of the marketing and hype surrounding Lost for the first several seasons was about the island and the mysteries surrounding it. Absolutely no one gave a poo poo about the character, none of the promotional or ARG stuff focused on characters, most it didn't even mention them. People who love to say it has always been about the characters and the island was always a barely relevant backdrop has a short memory or a koolaid mustache. 2) This is coming from the guy who said "The mysteries work best as external metaphors for internal struggle for Mabel/dipper, and as pure episodic set pieces" 2b) Also who didn't think the last two episodes were funny enough 3) Making lists on the internet makes you come off as super douchey doesn't it? Wow cool you don't like lost, a show that isn't like gravity falls and never has been. What a surprise. I am surprised, sir. Tell me more about how much you don't like lost Also way to move those goalposts, guy who has clearly not seen a serialized mystery show since lost ended
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