Metal Thread 202X - lol they suck a bunch, I'm already in an Uber home, bitch

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Stay Safe: Sep 1, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Martout posted:

Haha it's Antoine and Jon, I know those guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfwe0FpRqkI

Ten years ago, this is basically their lives!

The bands should hire these guys to make official MVs for them. Metal music MVs should have more strong men doing flips.

# ? Jul 30, 2014 04:29

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# ? May 9, 2024 07:18

Monkeytime: Mar 20, 2010

A human heart posted:

Are Krisiun any good and are they worth seeing live? They're playing here in November.

I didn't know any of their stuff at all and they still killed it (2010). Not a lot of stage presence, but pretty relentless.

# ? Jul 30, 2014 04:51

NihilVerumNisiMors: Aug 16, 2012

I just took a peek at a Wacken live stream.

They have advertisements before each act now.

XBOX ONE :geno:

# ? Jul 31, 2014 17:07

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

The weather is cooling down a little which means I need some recommendations on music similar to Mgła

# ? Jul 31, 2014 17:25

Oldstench: Jun 29, 2007; Let's talk about where you're going.

COOL CORN posted:

The weather is cooling down a little which means I need some recommendations on music similar to Mgła

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzuDC-RlYX8

# ? Jul 31, 2014 19:22

funeral fag: Jun 23, 2004

NihilVerumNisiMors posted:

I just took a peek at a Wacken live stream.

They have advertisements before each act now.

XBOX ONE

I'm watching the Steel Panther stream right now. This is amazing

# ? Jul 31, 2014 19:40

henpod: Mar 7, 2008; Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.; College Slice

Jari from Wintersun posted more about his album woes, and general issues with making music. I feel a little bad for him, he's apparently living in a crappy flat, is broke and can't find a way to record music. Then again maybe if he uses 19 orchestras instead of 20 he might have a shot.

quote:

I�ve been thinking about this Kickstarter/Pledge crowd funding thing for a while and I�m very confident now that there is enough of you guys that would help us raise the money for the Wintersun studio! This would give me the freedom to make music efficiently and nonstop. It would eliminate lot of the problems I�ve struggled with all my life and still continue to struggle everyday. For example right now I need a studio to reamp guitars for TIME II. And not just any studio, my own studio where I can craft my sounds exactly like I want them. 3rd party studios have never worked for me and I�ve never gotten satisfactory results for the insane prices they charge.

I live in a small lovely apartment building and I have neighbors. It is very very hard to work like this. I can�t record vocals, I can�t practise my singing, I can�t record guitars, I can�t record guitars even with modelling amps, because the electricity is so bad in this lovely building so I get lots of interference, I even play and practise the electric guitar acoustically without an amp 99% of the time in my home, I can�t record drums or basically any acoustic instruments, I don�t have the room or cool space for a big computer farm which is a must for the orchestrations for the next album (the place is too small and hot even for the one computer I have), I can�t mix properly, �cause the room is so bad and there�s always ambient noise in and outside the building. That�s why I usually turn my sleeping rhythm around and mix at nights, but that causes problems in my everyday life. I can�t do pretty much anything properly in this situation. Building a professional studio for Wintersun would erase all this and give us the freedom to make music nonstop. It would upgrade our album sound significantly and most importantly speed up the album making process significantly. This would even raise our live game. With proper preproduction, able to tweak our live sounds and setup properly we would sound pretty incredible live. We would also be able to rehearse more and that would allow us to be able to play live more often and come to places where we normally have not been able to come. The studio would allow us to have more time for everything.

But the problem is this. I have a record deal with Nuclear Blast. If I would do a Kickstarter with a downloadable album for example, they would come with lawyers and take % share (more than half) away from the money that is your money meant for the Wintersun studio and the album production. Would you even want to pledge if Wintersun didn�t get 100% of the money you�ve pledged for the album production? Then our management would take their % share away. Then there�s taxes of course. The Finnish government would take something like 40% away. This would leave me nothing. I would be totally screwed. I�ve been trying to have a discussion with Nuclear Blast about crowd funding, but they are totally freaking out. They see the crowd funding as a threat to their business and they would rather see Wintersun dead, than me doing a crowd funding. I think this would not hurt them at all, only benefit them, but they cannot see the big picture of Wintersun doing well. They actually told me point blank that I should just stop making music and they will never release Wintersun from the contract. It�s really like this, because they can�t or won�t loan me enough money to build a studio and fund an album, they don�t want other people (the fans) to fund it either� unless they get a crazy big cut of the funding (for doing absolutely nothing).

This is the way a record deal works: The label gives an advance to make an album. This is a loan and they will recoup every penny back from the record sales. The reason why TIME I&II has taken so long to make (and still is taking long to finish TIME II), is because I haven�t gotten enough advances (money) to make these complex albums. Not even close. So I�ve been struggling all these years and sacrificed everything to make these albums. I have never really made any money from Wintersun. All my money has gone to album production, but you can guess who have made tons of money from Wintersun. The point is that I need my own studio to make the future albums, but Nuclear Blast won�t be able to loan enough money to make that happen and then they won�t allow me to do a crow funding campaign either that would make it happen. And even if Nuclear Blast would be able to loan me the money for the studio, our management would take their share of that money and I would get only part of the money, but I would still have to pay back 100% to Nuclear Blast from the record sales. So I would actually lose big chunk of the album production money straight away, which makes no sense at all. And then there�s the taxes. So there�s no point of taking these �loans� either.

This all is stressing me out very badly and it�s slowing my workflow. I�ve got enough technical problems to deal with making these albums. I just want the freedom to make music, but I guess it is what it is. Honestly, I feel like I�ve signed a deal with the devil and I�m just a slave in the system.

I�ve got probably 5 long albums worth of new insanely good material! And there�s no filler material at all! The music is much more refined, much more advanced in arrangement/composition/productionwise. It�s diverse and beautiful, heavy, chaotic and exploring different styles&themes and some new dimensions I feel no band has explored before� The stuff is simply on another level, in a different universe than the debut album and the TIME albums combined. I wrote the TIME albums around 2006 and before, that was a lifetime ago. Think of the stuff I�ve written ever since to this day! And I just keep on writing, I feel like I�m on fire. The music is just flowing out of me. I�m so excited about all this new music and I can�t wait to start recording and sharing it with you� BUT I can�t without a studio, that�s the problem�

Should have stayed working in the post office!

# ? Jul 31, 2014 21:13

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

Are there not any studios around that he can use? That sounds more reasonable than a professional studio just for Wintersun.

# ? Jul 31, 2014 21:27

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

Trey Spruance manages to get work done under similar circumstances using pretty much a laptop and a few mic pres, not sure what that dude's problem is.

# ? Jul 31, 2014 21:51

velvet milkman: Feb 13, 2012; by R. Guyovich

comes along bort posted:

Trey Spruance manages to get work done under similar circumstances using pretty much a laptop and a few mic pres, not sure what that dude's problem is.

Some people have very specific workflows they need in order to feel like they're recording something that is 'their' sound and not utter poo poo, Jari is definitely one of these people. I can sympathize with the guy, hell, I would donate to a Wintersun Kickstarter.

# ? Jul 31, 2014 21:58

Hulk Krogan: Mar 25, 2005

To be honest he comes off pretty whiny. I'm not exactly eager to defend record companies but they gave him advances and paid for promo and distribution for the albums that got him all the fans that would donate to this hypothetical kickstarter. For him to then whine about the fact that he can't just up and decide to cut them out of the process and the profits is kind of dumb.

Also, what's stopping him from starting a "Buy Jari a studio because he's a swell guy" kickstarter without mentioning Wintersun at all?

# ? Jul 31, 2014 22:06

Vulture Culture: Jul 14, 2003; I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Kickstarter is really starting to feel like musical welfare

# ? Jul 31, 2014 23:07

Stay Safe: Sep 1, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

henpod posted:

Jari from Wintersun posted more about his album woes, and general issues with making music. I feel a little bad for him, he's apparently living in a crappy flat, is broke and can't find a way to record music. Then again maybe if he uses 19 orchestras instead of 20 he might have a shot.

A farmer shoudn't blame the ground when it isn't fertile and a musician shouldn't blame the instrument for a bad performance. *gentle wind breeze*

# ? Jul 31, 2014 23:16

Iceberg-Slim: Oct 7, 2003; no re okay

Any other band I would call that ridiculously pretentious, but damnit I need Time II.

# ? Jul 31, 2014 23:21

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

Hulk Krogan posted:

Also, what's stopping him from starting a "Buy Jari a studio because he's a swell guy" kickstarter without mentioning Wintersun at all?

Nothing probably. I'd imagine he signed his contract years before something like Kickstarter existed, and the label's just shaking him down for more money. If anything he should start a get Jari a lawyer fund so he can raise money for his poo poo free and clear.

# ? Jul 31, 2014 23:26

het: Nov 14, 2002; A dark black past
is my most valued
possession

I have no doubt that the label is kinda lovely and unsympathetic but I probably would be too given how goddamn long it takes him to produce an album and his seemingly endless string of excuses. There's so many people out there recording music that sounds good on modest budgets, I just don't think he knows what the gently caress he's doing.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 00:09

cryme: Apr 9, 2004; by zen death robot

Also, Time was terminally boring, so I'm not exactly amped for the sequel

# ? Aug 1, 2014 00:29

sleepingbuddha: Nov 4, 2010; It's supposed to look like a smashed cinnamon roll

Iceberg-Slim posted:

Any other band I would call that ridiculously pretentious, but damnit I need Time II.

Still not as pretentious as Tool.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 00:35

A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

honestly if he recorded wintersun stuff in a lovely apartment it would probably be better because at least then the music might have some kind of personality

# ? Aug 1, 2014 00:42

DeusExMachinima: Sep 2, 2012; This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!

Put this loser on ignore immediately!

comes along bort posted:

Trey Spruance manages to get work done under similar circumstances using pretty much a laptop and a few mic pres, not sure what that dude's problem is.

But that other power metal band with dark and really deep lyrics Nightwish gets a limo and four studios and 50 violinists and and and :emo:

However:

sleepingbuddha posted:

Still not as pretentious as Tool.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 02:32

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

sleepingbuddha posted:

Still not as pretentious as Tool.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 02:36

funeral fag: Jun 23, 2004

The guy really needs to step back and realize this isn't high art he's making. It won't be on display in the Louvre in two hundred years. Get a cheap rehearsal space, record some demos and learn to properly mic up your cabinet then rent a studio you idiot fucker. Also get a job.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 05:33

anti-magic: Sep 9, 2012; We've come up in the ram-raiding business, Owl.
It's all high class now.
No more baby seats.

het posted:

I have no doubt that the label is kinda lovely and unsympathetic but I probably would be too given how goddamn long it takes him to produce an album and his seemingly endless string of excuses. There's so many people out there recording music that sounds good on modest budgets, I just don't think he knows what the gently caress he's doing.

Jari is the Aaron Diaz of metal.

'Wintersun' was an over-bloated, tedious mess of an album and I can't actually remember if I listened to 'Time' or not which says a lot. Guess we'll see 'Time II' released around 2017 I imagine, can't wait to not listen to that.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 07:46

henpod: Mar 7, 2008; Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.; College Slice

I still really love the first album though, that poo poo is pretty awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ziAsMTs9sg.

He should just release an acoustic album and record it on his phone.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 11:23

Martout: Aug 8, 2007; None so deprived

anti-magic posted:

Jari is the Aaron Diaz of metal.

'Wintersun' was an over-bloated, tedious mess of an album and I can't actually remember if I listened to 'Time' or not which says a lot. Guess we'll see 'Time II' released around 2017 I imagine, can't wait to not listen to that.

I've heard people argue that "bloated mess" (paraphrasing) is the point of Wintersun but idk, every time I hear a song by them I like the song less. If you don't remember Time it's because it had a pointless 4-minute instrumental intro followed by a 13 minute long track out of which about 2-3 minutes were any good. After that a 9 minute long meandering power ballad, another (thankfully shorter) instrumental track and it all capped off with the song Time, an 11-minute mess with a few good bits.

Jari CAN write good stuff and he's a good musician and all that stuff but when it takes a decade to make an album that's 1:4 good:filler? He should probably just play lead guitar and do backing vocals in a completely different band at this point.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 13:11

funeral fag: Jun 23, 2004

Remember how one of the selling points for Time was "10 solos" like, whoa

# ? Aug 1, 2014 13:30

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

Whoa, nobody told me there was a new Entombed album! Even though it's under a different name (Entombed A.D.), this is their first new one in, what, 7 years?

# ? Aug 1, 2014 13:56

El Gallinero Gros: Mar 17, 2010

Melvins are doing a new record with Paul and JD from Butthole Surfers, coming out this fall. Also a small tour.

http://www.metalinjection.net/upcoming-releases/the-melvins-joined-by-butthole-sufers-members-for-new-album-fall-tour

# ? Aug 1, 2014 14:50

Less Claypool: Apr 16, 2009; More Primus For Fucks Sake.

http://youtu.be/9_DksvX0_bk

Someone send Jari this.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 15:55

Count Thrashula: Jun 1, 2003; Death is nothing compared to vindication.; Buglord

That dude's head looks like he was made in the loving Oblivion character generator

# ? Aug 1, 2014 16:08

Nordick: Sep 3, 2011; Yes.

Alestorm's new album came out.

Yup, they're still goofy as poo poo and don't give a drat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5P5Tz3VH94

# ? Aug 1, 2014 16:41

Rags to Liches: Mar 11, 2008; future skeleton soldier

Nordick posted:

Alestorm's new album came out.

Yup, they're still goofy as poo poo and don't give a drat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5P5Tz3VH94

This is why I like Alestorm. Just goofy fun.

# ? Aug 1, 2014 22:59

Defiant Sally: May 6, 2004; Focus your Orochi.

I think this is pretty good and wanted to share

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7SdlW2SfAM

# ? Aug 1, 2014 23:26

Optimum Gulps: Oct 6, 2003; You wanna save this place, right? And I want to destroy it. Brick by hypocritical brick.

If anyone's going to be at the Boris show tonight feel free to say hi.
I will be wearing an Augury shirt.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 00:43

Nordick: Sep 3, 2011; Yes.

Defiant Sally posted:

I think this is pretty good

I find myself in agreement. They have a really nice balance between a hefty sound and the melancholic feel.
Cheers for bringin this up.

EDIT:

Aubergine Mage posted:

This is why I like Alestorm. Just goofy fun.

Yeah, no kidding. They just have this infectious good mood about them. I want so badly to see them live.
The new album is pretty good on the whole, btw. If you've liked Alestorm this far, get it. It's a catchy good time.

Nordick fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Aug 2, 2014

# ? Aug 2, 2014 01:43

Nordick: Sep 3, 2011; Yes.

E: Quote is not edit.

# ? Aug 2, 2014 02:05

Henchman of Santa: Aug 21, 2010

Anybody listen to the crowd-funded Dog Fashion Disco comeback yet? It's pretty solid.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 14:59

The Monkey Man: Jun 10, 2012; HERD U WERE TALKIN SHIT

# ? Aug 3, 2014 16:31

MrBling: Aug 21, 2003; Oozing machismo

I realised I hadn't listened to this: http://hpgd.bandcamp.com/album/decieverion in quite a while.

It's still really good. It seems like there's just one guy left at this point, but this is still a solid release.

# ? Aug 3, 2014 21:03

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# ? May 9, 2024 07:18

Fiendish Dr. Wu: Nov 11, 2010; You done fucked up now!

Jari should just bust out enough material to fulfill his contractual obligations with NB then do the kickstarter

# ? Aug 3, 2014 23:26

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