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Tuxedo Jack posted:I think it's a fair point, Marvel made a relatively unknown property a huge hit, whereas DC has failed with some of their more well known faces, (GL), and is afraid to give a standalone film to some of their other characters at all. It's a fair point to be made, in this case, I think. It is a fair point, because DC is all "Only virgins care about Martian Manhunter, so we won't put him in a movie because that's a dumb marketing move!" and here we have Marvel marketing a handful of obscure comic characters and making money hand-over-fist with them. I guess to Marvel's credit, they've built up all that goodwill by making all those other good movies beforehand, but it's still funny how insecure DC is.
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Jamesman posted:It is a fair point, because DC is all "Only virgins care about Martian Manhunter, so we won't put him in a movie because that's a dumb marketing move!" and here we have Marvel marketing a handful of obscure comic characters and making money hand-over-fist with them. DC actively not only hates themselves, but also their entire fanbase. They're easily one of the worst run companies I've ever seen, and I'm amazed they haven't completely crumbled under the weight of their own stupidity yet.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:08
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Jamesman posted:It is a fair point, because DC is all "Only virgins care about Martian Manhunter, so we won't put him in a movie because that's a dumb marketing move!" and here we have Marvel marketing a handful of obscure comic characters and making money hand-over-fist with them. It doesn't help that Goyer made that virgin crack. DC really needs to give that guy the boot.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:09
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Rhyno posted:It doesn't help that Goyer made that virgin crack. DC really needs to give that guy the boot. He's like a little cartoon devil on their shoulder.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:11
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TheJoker138 posted:DC actively not only hates themselves, but also their entire fanbase. They're easily one of the worst run companies I've ever seen, and I'm amazed they haven't completely crumbled under the weight of their own stupidity yet. It's as though they're embarrassed that they run a comic book publishing company, but at the same time, they desperately need everything to be Hip and Now.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:12
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's as though they're embarrassed that they run a comic book publishing company, but at the same time, they desperately need everything to be Hip and Now. I went into the New 52 poo poo cautiously optimistic, and since it launched have gone from reading about 10 DC books to 0. Meanwhile Marvel has me reading three separate Guardians of the Galaxy books alone.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:14
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There's a weird echo of DC and Marvel's method of business back in the 60's. DC would create a cover image and then find a story to fit the cover. Marvel would write a story and then use something in the story for the cover. DC's approach would initially lead to more people picking up the book to read but Marvels approach hooked the reader. Now DC seems to be looking for what name will sell tickets then asking if there's a story. Marvel is asking "who fits the story we have planned?" even if the answer is a set of obscure characters. There are great movies to be made of Enemy Ace, Sgt Rock and even someone like Mister Miracle. It doesn't have to be a "headliner" for the movie to sell well.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:42
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Is mister miracle the guy that looks like a christmas tree?
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Aug 3, 2014 19:47
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's as though they're embarrassed that they run a comic book publishing company, but at the same time, they desperately need everything to be Hip and Now.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:48
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Mister Miracle would be one of the easiest characters to make a film out of, with the bonus of him having a healthy relationship with a woman who could kick anyone's rear end.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:49
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Mister Miracle would be one of the easiest characters to make a film out of, with the bonus of him having a healthy relationship with a woman who could kick anyone's rear end. I think I know at least part of the reason we aren't going to get one anytime soon. Does the Kirby estate get money from his DC stuff still? If so, that's probably the other reason.
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Aug 3, 2014 19:52
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Hollismason posted:My dream of a Hammer style Blade will be realized. It already has been. Sort of. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071276/
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Aug 3, 2014 20:39
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Mister Miracle would be one of the easiest characters to make a film out of, with the bonus of him having a healthy relationship with a woman who could kick anyone's rear end. Gina Carano for Big Barda!
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Aug 3, 2014 20:44
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Speaking of product placement.. Guardians of the Galaxy has practically zero. The only thing I can think of is well the Sony Walkman, a product from 30 years ago. Maybe Sony is trying to rebrand and sell Walkmans again?
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Aug 3, 2014 20:50
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Hollismason posted:Speaking of product placement.. Guardians of the Galaxy has practically zero. The only thing I can think of is well the Sony Walkman, a product from 30 years ago. Those sneaky bastards are probably sitting on a stock of that very model and will start releasing them to Ebay.
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Aug 3, 2014 20:53
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Oh don't forget Alf cards. Corporate advertising whores. Sony's trying to bring back cassettes with GotG
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Aug 3, 2014 21:01
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Hollismason posted:Oh don't forget Alf cards. Corporate advertising whores. Sony's trying to bring back cassettes with GotG Does Disney even own Alf? I thought NBC owned him so that one puzzled me honestly. On a lark I tried calling a pawn shop to see if they had any Walkman's (Walkmen?) but they were closed.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:04
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Actually I think those Alf Cards were made by Topps.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:10
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Hollismason posted:Actually I think those Alf Cards were made by Topps. Topps are known scumbags.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:12
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Rhyno posted:Topps are known scumbags. Is this about the monopoly they tried to form in the 90's?
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Aug 3, 2014 21:18
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Is this about the monopoly they tried to form in the 90's? No, just speaking of how they treat the dealers who actually sell their product.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:36
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Rhyno posted:Gina Carano for Big Barda! This would be a good fit actually. But I would want Shilo Mr. Miracle. ...maybe just get Steranko.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:42
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Gatts posted:This would be a good fit actually. But I would want Shilo Mr. Miracle. He's about the right size to stand next to Carano and make them look comic book accurate.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:45
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Rhyno posted:He's about the right size to stand next to Carano and make them look comic book accurate. Yeah. And since Miracle is based off of him anyway and Barda is based off Kirby's wife.. well...The buttsex is interesting. 
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Aug 3, 2014 21:49
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Rhyno posted:In the MCU Stark probably bought Honda Motor Corps and renamed the Acura brand Avengers Motor Cars so the placement of that A gets a pass. I'm not familiar with Acura because I guess it's just a Asian car but the very first thing I thought was how that car logo looked like an A in a circle. Is Acuara's logo an A in a circle? In the forefront against the backdrop of the looming Avengers Tower? Because gosh, that's just a weird coincidence.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:55
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's as though they're embarrassed that they run a comic book publishing company, but at the same time, they desperately need everything to be Hip and Now. Man, this sounds frighteningly similar to WWE.
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Aug 3, 2014 21:56
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Man, this sounds frighteningly similar to WWE. It could be worse, DC could be the TNA of comics. Which would be like... Image, I guess?
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Aug 3, 2014 21:59
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TheJoker138 posted:It could be worse, DC could be the TNA of comics. Which would be like... Image, I guess? Image has a whole bunch of really rad books out, though. Prophet, Saga, Sex Criminals, Black Science, etc.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:03
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Image has a whole bunch of really rad books out, though. Prophet, Saga, Sex Criminals, Black Science, etc. The last thing I saw by them was McFarlane and Kirkman making yet another Venom rip off called "The Haunt." At that point I completely stopped paying attention to Image.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:04
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Grendels Dad posted:I'm not familiar with Acura because I guess it's just a Asian car but the very first thing I thought was how that car logo looked like an A in a circle. Is Acuara's logo an A in a circle? In the forefront against the backdrop of the looming Avengers Tower? Because gosh, that's just a weird coincidence. It's Honda's luxury brand in America. I think they first focused on it in Iron Man 2 post credit scene.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:05
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TheJoker138 posted:It could be worse, DC could be the TNA of comics. Which would be like... Image, I guess? Except I think Image does well with creator owned stuff and whatnot. The original product might not have been great but the concept and whatnot is good and allows for good work. Maybe TnA is like Crossgen.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:05
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Gatts posted:Except I think Image does well with creator owned stuff and whatnot. The original product might not have been great but the concept and whatnot is good and allows for good work. Maybe TnA is like Crossgen. Is TNA still around? Crossgen was just a flash in the pan.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:07
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Rhyno posted:It's Honda's luxury brand in America. I think they first focused on it in Iron Man 2 post credit scene. Luxury brand, eh? In that shot it's framed by two cabs and all of them are generally not in a good state. I'm probably never going to stop trying to half-assedly read into this stuff, I really need to watch Avengers with this in mind. edit: Rhyno posted:Is TNA still around? Crossgen was just a flash in the pan. They seemingly lost their contract with Spike TV and it's up in the air what will happen to them, but as of October this year they will have existed as long as WCW, the biggest competitor to the WWE while it existed. Grendels Dad fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Aug 3, 2014 |
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Aug 3, 2014 22:09
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Rhyno posted:Is TNA still around? Crossgen was just a flash in the pan. TNA lost their TV contract so they'll be around till about October when it runs out.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:10
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TheJoker138 posted:TNA lost their TV contract so they'll be around till about October when it runs out. Yeah but they've been around a long time right? A better analogy would be one of the Jim Shooter companies like Defiant or Broadway Comics. Yeah, BC was heavily advertised in other media as the next big thing and it went nowhere.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:12
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
Joss Whedon only has two hands, but he's got a lot of Hot Wheels to set up.
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Aug 3, 2014 22:44
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Man, I forgot all about CrossGen. From what I remember, it was surprisingly successful for a while, then it wasn't.
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Aug 3, 2014 23:05
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Jamesman posted:It is a fair point, because DC is all "Only virgins care about Martian Manhunter, so we won't put him in a movie because that's a dumb marketing move!" and here we have Marvel marketing a handful of obscure comic characters and making money hand-over-fist with them. Goyer wasn't acting as a formal DC representative making a press statement. He said I don't care about Martian Manhunter - which, y'know, he probably doesn't. It's easy to forget, since it had like zero cultural impact, that Green Lantern is a Marvel Studios film in all but name. You have a solid but workmanlike director on a troubled production dealing with obvious studio mandates, doing a lightly comedic sci-fi superhero origin story about a charming daredevil jerk in a CGI suit. It's like a 'greatest misses' compilation of the MCU films' biggest failings, with no Robert Downey Jr. to cancel it out. A skilled writer can make any premise interesting, but a lot of this Marvel stuff seems obligatory. Like Hulk 2: the Hulk part is garbage, and none of the MCU tie-ins work. The Captain America and Iron Man sequels also serve as buildup to some imaginary real film down the line. Aside from the egregious failure of Hulk 2 and the remarkable success of Cap 1, the Marvel Studio films are good television. But I prefer having extremely skilled directors given free reign with the material, with consistency between films being the result of input from distinct voices like Nolan and Goyer (like 'em or not) rather than a result of a 'planned universe'.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Man, I forgot all about CrossGen. From what I remember, it was surprisingly successful for a while, then it wasn't. They were. Everything was selling out left and right, they lined up a huge stable of talent and even got them to move to one place so they all worked at the Crossgen Compound. Lots of the books were surprisingly good.
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What the hell happened to CrossGen then? Also, is Avatar as big a success story as they seem to be? After decades of publishing Evil Ernie and Bad Girl comics, they actually have some cachet nowadays.
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