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platedlizard posted:Did you at least tell him first that the CDC has had samples of Ebola in the US for decades before you unfriended him? I want to know what the conspiracy nut response to that is. I dunno, I saw that Walking Dead episode when they were at the CDC and it confirms my theory that Obama is behind giving ebola to all the wealthy white landowners.
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Unfortunately I didn't ask him but I'd love to have known his response. He probably thinks I'm in on it all now or something.
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platedlizard posted:It's a summer camp for rich and powerful old men. They put on a play, talk, and drink. I guess the campers might talk about important things but it's not like they couldn't talk to each other at other times either. Alex Jones thinks it's a meeting for the illuminati or whatever. Not only that, I've had someone try to prove to me that they perform a yearly human sacrifice to a giant metal owl using some grainy Alex Jones youtube video. Said person also believed the WTC was hit by missiles or empty planes or some other stupid poo poo.
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Not only that, I've had someone try to prove to me that they perform a yearly human sacrifice to a giant metal owl using some grainy Alex Jones youtube video. Said person also believed the WTC was hit by missiles or empty planes or some other stupid poo poo. They do do this. Except it's a theater dummy and it's done in the context of the yearly play they perform, where the first few acts are written anew each year (because the charter of the club mandates having a bunch of bay area artists as members who attend), and the last act with the cremation of the effigy of Care is the same.
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Well holy poo poo, they were marginally less crazy than I thought.
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Well holy poo poo, they were marginally less crazy than I thought. Jon Ronson went into the Bohemian Grove the same days Alex Jones did. The difference was Jon just walked in and acted like he belonged, and went around actually talking to the people there, while Alex Jones spent most of his time hiding in bushes and poo poo. He writes about it in his book "Them" and he also discusses it in part 4 of the TV miniseries "The Secret Rulers of the World". Basically it's a bunch of mostly old, mostly white rich people who camp out with some California artist types for a weekend and do a big high school theater crew type performance at the end of it (although it's a high school theater performance with major city orchestras and high end lighting and tech equipment available).
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Aug 3, 2014 21:55
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Great Metal Jesus posted:Well holy poo poo, they were marginally less crazy than I thought. While Alex Jones is nuts there is a grain of truth to the Bohemian Grove stories. Not in the sense that it's full of illuminati lizard men but for a time at least it was major meeting ground for Republican leaders, particularly those in California. Herbert Hoover invited Richard Nixon to the Grove when Nixon was a young Congressman, which ensured Nixon's rapid rise through the Republican party. Nixon also publicly said that a 1967 speech he gave at the Groove was the most satisfying and important of his career. It's kind of like Skull and Bones and Bilderberg, it's an organization that networks powerful people including national and world leaders. Because that's the obvious purpose of the organization though there really isn't any "conspiracy" to it.
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Does anyone know of any good video rebuttals to the whole "Loose Change" stuff? My Pop, in his retirements years, has taken to watching lots of documentaries and has for some reason taken a shine to the LC videos. Dunno why, he's usually more skeptical than that. Anyways, any links I could send him would be cool.
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Barlow posted:It's kind of like Skull and Bones and Bilderberg, it's an organization that networks powerful people including national and world leaders. Because that's the obvious purpose of the organization though there really isn't any "conspiracy" to it. That's what makes Jones so silly. Rich and powerful people meeting up to talk about ways to become more rich and powerful isn't really all that unusual, so he's got to add some level of insanity and mystery to keep people listening. The most absurd part of course being that only Jones knows all these secrets and is able to blast them out worldwide for three hours a day for like twenty years without anyone stopping him.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Basically it's a bunch of mostly old, mostly white rich people who camp out with some California artist types for a weekend and do a big high school theater crew type performance at the end of it (although it's a high school theater performance with major city orchestras and high end lighting and tech equipment available). Barlow posted:While Alex Jones is nuts there is a grain of truth to the Bohemian Grove stories. Not in the sense that it's full of illuminati lizard men but for a time at least it was major meeting ground for Republican leaders, particularly those in California. Herbert Hoover invited Richard Nixon to the Grove when Nixon was a young Congressman, which ensured Nixon's rapid rise through the Republican party. Nixon also publicly said that a 1967 speech he gave at the Groove was the most satisfying and important of his career. Oh yeah, none of that surprises me. The whole thing happens right by my hometown and I've got friends who worked there growing up. They basically played a game of "identify all the ex-presidents." It was specifically the owl thing that I thought was insane. Turns out it actually happens (minus the actual ritual murder)!
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Seventh Arrow posted:Does anyone know of any good video rebuttals to the whole "Loose Change" stuff? My Pop, in his retirements years, has taken to watching lots of documentaries and has for some reason taken a shine to the LC videos. Dunno why, he's usually more skeptical than that. Anyways, any links I could send him would be cool. http://www.debunking911.com/ That one's pretty well done. It's not a documentary, but it's something.
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Barlow posted:While Alex Jones is nuts there is a grain of truth to the Bohemian Grove stories. Not in the sense that it's full of illuminati lizard men but for a time at least it was major meeting ground for Republican leaders, particularly those in California. Herbert Hoover invited Richard Nixon to the Grove when Nixon was a young Congressman, which ensured Nixon's rapid rise through the Republican party. Nixon also publicly said that a 1967 speech he gave at the Groove was the most satisfying and important of his career. William Domhoff has an interesting article on the Bohemian Club. I also suggest the one on rule by the upper class.
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Seventh Arrow posted:Does anyone know of any good video rebuttals to the whole "Loose Change" stuff? My Pop, in his retirements years, has taken to watching lots of documentaries and has for some reason taken a shine to the LC videos. Dunno why, he's usually more skeptical than that. Anyways, any links I could send him would be cool. http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/zeitgeist/ This is a good review of Zeitgeist which tries and extrapolate a much larger conspiracy but Act 2 is all about 9/11 with similar talking points to loose change, so the site does similarly.
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Seventh Arrow posted:Does anyone know of any good video rebuttals to the whole "Loose Change" stuff? My Pop, in his retirements years, has taken to watching lots of documentaries and has for some reason taken a shine to the LC videos. Dunno why, he's usually more skeptical than that. Anyways, any links I could send him would be cool. The History Channel teamed up with Popular Mechanics a couple of years ago to do a debunking documentary special.
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muscles like this? posted:The History Channel teamed up with Popular Mechanics a couple of years ago to do a debunking documentary special. Is that the one where they did a bunch of experiments showing people what happened, but the CTs rebutted by saying "Yea, but that doesn't disprove my theory!".
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Poison Jam posted:Unfortunately I didn't ask him but I'd love to have known his response. He probably thinks I'm in on it all now or something. Against better judgement I told a Facebook friend's brother that he doesn't have to worry about the black helicopters or people coming for him because I passed along word that he's too stupid for anyone to take seriously. He's full on Chemtrail and Fukishima-is-super-Chernobyl and NWO so I'm probably on some kill list for them now. Seventh Arrow posted:Does anyone know of any good video rebuttals to the whole "Loose Change" stuff? My Pop, in his retirements years, has taken to watching lots of documentaries and has for some reason taken a shine to the LC videos. Dunno why, he's usually more skeptical than that. Anyways, any links I could send him would be cool. http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons ? twistedmentat posted:Is that the one where they did a bunch of experiments showing people what happened, but the CTs rebutted by saying "Yea, but that doesn't disprove my theory!". This could apply to everything that debunks their stupidity, so yes.
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Nintendo Kid posted:They do do this. Except it's a theater dummy and it's done in the context of the yearly play they perform, where the first few acts are written anew each year (because the charter of the club mandates having a bunch of bay area artists as members who attend), and the last act with the cremation of the effigy of Care is the same. Somehow none of this has any surprise or shock value to me, not after watching people worship, praise and kiss the feet of a cardboard image of George Bush.
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RagnarokAngel posted:http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/zeitgeist/ I can't help but highly recommend reading the Part 1 debunking, too, if only because it points out most (but not all) of the various oversimplifications and manipulations of historical mythology the filmmakers used to justify their "point", such as it was. It alone makes for a great case against the rest of it, and hammers home the idea that the people spreading these statements aren't above literally revising history to fit their narrative. Just to clarify the "but not all" above, there was a particular statement made in Part 1 that I can't remember the exact details of, but it was more or less a quote from a 19th century Egyptologist repeated as fact - never mind that the guy's work itself has been debunked as little more than amateur-level guesswork and handwaving about what he thinks certain things mean, despite the scholarly consensus of the time having already agreed that a lot of what he was saying was wrong. They don't even check to see if their own sources are credible, so why should they be credible themselves?
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SocketWrench posted:Somehow none of this has any surprise or shock value to me, not after watching people worship, praise and kiss the feet of a cardboard image of George Bush.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:William Domhoff has an interesting article on the Bohemian Club. I also suggest the one on rule by the upper class. Alright yeah, skimming through this, I think my original impression was more or less correct: it's a gathering of the rich and powerful, but short of them all being put in the same prison it's probably the least harmful gathering of the rich and powerful imaginable.
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FuzzySkinner posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrMoVWl5KA Late, but this is my favorite TOYS ARE SATAN video from the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hnjdq32u-MU
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Kugyou no Tenshi posted:I can't help but highly recommend reading the Part 1 debunking, too, if only because it points out most (but not all) of the various oversimplifications and manipulations of historical mythology the filmmakers used to justify their "point", such as it was. It alone makes for a great case against the rest of it, and hammers home the idea that the people spreading these statements aren't above literally revising history to fit their narrative. I will never not find Jesus = Ra funny as hell. Aside from them making some stuff up about Ra wholesale the entire thing hinges on a pun that only works in English. Son of God = Sun God!
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Literally The Worst posted:Late, but this is my favorite TOYS ARE SATAN video from the 80s: 16:25. SKELETOOOOR
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RagnarokAngel posted:I will never not find Jesus = Ra funny as hell. Aside from them making some stuff up about Ra wholesale the entire thing hinges on a pun that only works in English. Yeah, when Zeitgeist originally made the rounds I heard people talking about it and started to watch it. I turned it off when they got to the "Son=Sun" thing because someone who says that isn't worth the time.
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RagnarokAngel posted:I will never not find Jesus = Ra funny as hell. Aside from them making some stuff up about Ra wholesale the entire thing hinges on a pun that only works in English. Oh god. It revolves around a Star Trek plot?
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SocketWrench posted:Somehow none of this has any surprise or shock value to me, not after watching people worship, praise and kiss the feet of a cardboard image of George Bush. Well they started doing it because it's what a group of overgrown fraternity bros thought would be totally rad and spooky back in the 30s/40s.
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I wonder what the venn diagram would look like between Alex Jones/911 Truther...and people who fully believed Y2K was going to usher us into a full on Nuclear Apocalypse. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WkGyAqVmCk BTW, Here's Alex Jones on December 31, 1999.
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FuzzySkinner posted:I wonder what the venn diagram would look like between Alex Jones/911 Truther...and people who fully believed Y2K was going to usher us into a full on Nuclear Apocalypse. Wow, that made me think tho.
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Hahaha, I was in a Facebook comment argument and someone linked Globalresearch.ca. When I called them on it, they linked a loving PressTV article as backup. For people who rail about government lies all the time, conspiracy theorists sure are willing to drink them up when it's a government saying a lie they want to be true.
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So Brian Dunning of Skeptoid has been sentenced to 15 months in prison for wire fraud. The prosecutor said that they were tough on him to show they aren't soft in white collar crime. Because of this, every single skeptical thing he's ever said is false so therefore all conspiracies and pseudoscientific claims are true.
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twistedmentat posted:So Brian Dunning of Skeptoid has been sentenced to 15 months in prison for wire fraud. The prosecutor said that they were tough on him to show they aren't soft in white collar crime. Why is the NWO shutting down the guy pretending the NWO doesn't exist? Clearly they're playing 12-dimensional chess (11 is not enough) 
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twistedmentat posted:So Brian Dunning of Skeptoid has been sentenced to 15 months in prison for wire fraud. The prosecutor said that they were tough on him to show they aren't soft in white collar crime. He is kind of a poo poo though for saying that he relies entirely on donations for his livelihood, though this may in fact be true now that he's been caught. On the other hand, he did teach me how to beat a lie detector a few weeks ago.
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Jack Gladney posted:He is kind of a poo poo though for saying that he relies entirely on donations for his livelihood, though this may in fact be true now that he's been caught. Yea, That was the big thing I noticed that people were really upset at. Oh god, check out his defense (as torn apart by the brilliant and hilarious Dr Rebecca Watson) http://skepchick.org/2014/08/a-critical-analysis-of-brian-dunnings-explanation/ It sounds like he was pretty much copying Free Republics model. Just that him being in a rational community, he got caught. She also mentioned Ben Radford falsifying data, which probably explains why I haven't heard him on Monstertalk in a long time. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Aug 7, 2014 |
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RagnarokAngel posted:He wasn't copying freep's model. Freep takes willing donations from suckers, Dunning was using malware. I should had specified that I meant using his family as employees and paying them a stupid amount of money.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea, That was the big thing I noticed that people were really upset at. You also haven't heard him lately because he harassed and groped Karen Stolznow, which also explains why she hasn't been on Monstertalk in a while either, though she has been back recently. http://skepchick.org/2013/08/ben-radford-accused-of-sexual-harassment/ Expect a guilty verdict for Radford too once he gets a day in court.
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Literally The Worst posted:Late, but this is my favorite TOYS ARE SATAN video from the 80s: Socially acceptable schizophrenia.
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Jack Gladney posted:You also haven't heard him lately because he harassed and groped Karen Stolznow, which also explains why she hasn't been on Monstertalk in a while either, though she has been back recently. Ah, that explains why Monstertalk was on hiatus for like half a year, and Dr Stolznow wasn't on it for a long time after it came back. Again, the really annoying thing is conspiracy theorists will point to that stuff as proof of the untrustworth and immoral people that make up the skeptical community, while they are all moral and upright and would never do those terrible things. Now let me tell you why Jews are running the world banks and causing wars with Iceland and some  about why women get raped.
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