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Monicro posted:Wait what's wrong with 10 minute videos? Less content per update is a legitimate complaint I guess, but if I had less free time I would much prefer that length to 30-40 minute episodes. A 10-minute time limit is very constraining. Because of that it can make for very sudden and intrusive cut-off points in a video. JordanKai fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Monicro posted:Wait what's wrong with 10 minute videos? Less content per update is a legitimate complaint I guess, but if I had less free time I would much prefer that length to 30-40 minute episodes. People only brought it up because Youtube had a ten-minute video limit back then.
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Aug 4, 2014 00:43
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I still need to beat La-Mulana. The remake one. The problem is that I get stuck on some dumb puzzle looking for a solution, and there's no good guide that hints to where I should go and what I should pay attention to next instead of just giving me the solution. Does DeceasedCrab's LP do that?
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Aug 4, 2014 00:58
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I haven't watched his remake ones, but La-Mulana is one of those games that expect you to get lost and stuck repeatedly, and solutions to puzzles can be far removed geographically from the result of solving them. As a result, if you know what you're doing and you're trying to solve the game as efficiently as possible, it's going to look like you're just constantly doing strange stuff all over the place and then puzzles turn out to be solved somehow. It's really hard to give hints in video form for La-Mulana. You're probably better off just asking someone for hints to specific puzzles...
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Aug 4, 2014 01:07
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The thread in games is good for getting advice.
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Suspicious Dish posted:I still need to beat La-Mulana. The remake one. The problem is that I get stuck on some dumb puzzle looking for a solution, and there's no good guide that hints to where I should go and what I should pay attention to next instead of just giving me the solution. Does DeceasedCrab's LP do that? I did an LP for the La-Mulana Remake that pretty much explains every puzzle. Might need to power through the specific area vid to find your solution, but I pretty much cover everything sans Hell Temple.
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Aug 4, 2014 02:33
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Monicro posted:Wait what's wrong with 10 minute videos? Less content per update is a legitimate complaint I guess, but if I had less free time I would much prefer that length to 30-40 minute episodes. You seriously would prefer 100 parts of even the shortest LPed game? Because that's what you're asking, when you can just pause the video at 10 minutes and come back to it later.
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Tae posted:You seriously would prefer 100 parts of even the shortest LPed game? Because that's what you're asking, when you can just pause the video at 10 minutes and come back to it later. I didn't mean it like that per se, I just misinterpreted Hyper Crab Tank's post as saying 10 minute videos are inherently bad regardless of imposed limits and I asked why because it didn't seem like a big deal to me. e: but yes, as I said I would hypothetically prefer shorter videos that I could watch in one sitting to watching a longer one over multiple, but to each their own Monicro fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Aug 4, 2014 03:23
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Suspicious Dish posted:I still need to beat La-Mulana. The remake one. The problem is that I get stuck on some dumb puzzle looking for a solution, and there's no good guide that hints to where I should go and what I should pay attention to next instead of just giving me the solution. Does DeceasedCrab's LP do that? There's currently an LP of the La Mulana remake going on. The nice thing about this LP is that Agent355 explains where to find clues to each and every puzzle. Most players stumble upon solutions without ever getting the clues. Agent355 shows the clues are still there. However, the clues and the solutions follow each other quite fast in the videos, so it's not that useful as a hint system.
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Aug 4, 2014 18:32
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The complaint about DC and 10-minute videos at the time was the accusation he wanted to be a YouTube celebrity, and that's why he wanted it as priority hosting. DC argued that YouTube was so ubiquitous, there was a better chance that the hosting would never go away. I have to admit to disagreeing with him at the time and thinking "why doesn't he just pick one other host to shut everyone up?" but he was right. You can argue the reasons, but it was true.
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Aug 4, 2014 18:35
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On topic about re-doing LP's, I know I'm re-doing almost everything on my channel due to a variety of reason. Mostly I want to redo since I've learned a lot over the years about commentary and video editing and quality so now when I look back at my older stuff I cringe and wonder how I ever thought they were even acceptable in any way, YouTube people tend not to criticize though since they eat almost anything which is probably why I kept uploading crap for so long. In terms of re-doing a game because of a new version I'm a little 50/50 on, I mean if done for the reason because you enjoyed the game enough and you see it as a liable excuse to play it again so be it I guess, It seems a lot more pointless at the moment though since most of these "updated" versions are just ports with higher graphic settings and no new content to talk about and if you aren't planning on improving the video quality itself for YouTube or what not to show how much nicer the game looks then why bother? Though search results seem more and more unreliable on the site especially recently since Google is constantly favoring established channels and tossing up certain videos in one category as "related" in every video in the same category and more or less snuffing out any results to anybody who doesn't already have a large following. At least this seems to be the case to newly uploaded videos.
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Bluebomberimo posted:Though search results seem more and more unreliable on the site especially recently since Google is constantly favoring established channels and tossing up certain videos in one category as "related" in every video in the same category and more or less snuffing out any results to anybody who doesn't already have a large following. At least this seems to be the case to newly uploaded videos. Well, see. You shouldn't really care about views and subs if you're doing LP as a hobby. I mean sure. You'll want SOME audience, otherwise you might as well just look at the video on your computer yourself but it shouldn't be something to concern yourself with. You should instead just try to make good videos you'd want to watch yourself. Even if that's not what youtube wants to see. Certain types of LPs are more popular on different platforms, like here on SA or other LP forums anyway. (be careful here, a lot are crap. I'm from LPF which is good for getting feedback and all that jazz.)
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People who say "I do Let's Plays only for fun and I don't care about my viewer base" are liars. The whole point of it is to get people to watch it. There's a difference between wanting to have popularity so people watch your stuff and using popularity as a judge of your quality as an LPer. That's why it sucks that Youtube and I guess vicariously Google are weighted toward people who are already popular.
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Aug 4, 2014 21:53
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Not really. I started making videos no one ever watched. A lot of them had 0 views and I still had fun doing them and continued doing it despite no one watching my stuff. But saying I don't care about the viewer base I have would be a lie, true. Viewer base being different from those magic little numbers that youtube presents to you on your dashboard: the views and subscribers. Those numbers are no indicator for quality or people actually watching a video. I mean, sure, if those numbers going up make you a happier man I'm not gonna take that away from you but it shouldn't be your motivation for doing it because they mean very little. E: ninja edited your post, you dick.
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IGgy IGsen posted:E: ninja edited your post, you dick. I prefer to call it 'reformatting'.
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Aug 4, 2014 22:00
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I would not post LPs if I were broadcasting into a void. They're too much effort. I would just do exactly the same thing without recording to it, and the jokes would be lost in the wind, like that movie, Last Samurai. It's nice to see cool stuff people make or funny things people post.
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Aug 4, 2014 22:04
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My point is that getting popular probably shouldn't be your main goal but pretending it's not an important part of it is not going to do you any favors.
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Aug 4, 2014 22:13
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So, Youtube subscribed me to an LPer who I have never heard of before, never clicked on any of his videos, and certainly didn't click the subscribe button. What's the deal with that?
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my dad posted:So, Youtube subscribed me to an LPer who I have never heard of before, never clicked on any of his videos, and certainly didn't click the subscribe button. What's the deal with that? You didn't know you wanted to subscribe until they took the initiative for you.
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IGgy IGsen posted:Well, see. You shouldn't really care about views and subs if you're doing LP as a hobby. Oh aye, I wasn't really referring to myself with that though, I just kinda miss seeing some variety in the recommended results since now for me it's always cluttered with the same five Minecraft people over and over. I don't really remember saying anything about my subs or views specifically because I honestly don't care about those numbers, since they are pretty overblown anyway.
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I know I'm late to the Youtube ad discussion we've had but I got this "ad" today: This isn't even an ad; it's an entire LP episode longer than the video I'm about to watch! Shouldn't ads be trailers for other channels rather than entire episodes of other channels' LP:s?
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Samiz posted:I know I'm late to the Youtube ad discussion we've had but I got this "ad" today:
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I really think they should have a time limit on videos for ads. if your video is say over 5 mins, it is ineligible to be used as an ad.
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mateo360 posted:I really think they should have a time limit on videos for ads. if your video is say over 5 mins, it is ineligible to be used as an ad. See, that's where I can't tell if it's an ad or that FanFinder thing I was talking about. It might've been some dumb user not realizing exactly what it entailed.
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Eligible or not, videos that long are skippable so that's just what people are going to do. What's bizarre isn't so much that you can do it, it's that someone decided it would be a good idea to do it.
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Eligible or not, videos that long are skippable so that's just what people are going to do. What's bizarre isn't so much that you can do it, it's that someone decided it would be a good idea to do it. Actually Google reports that skippable ads are more engaging than unskippable ones. I guess it makes sense in a weird way: you get that "subconscious" recognition of the product without the negative consequence of being annoyed by the ad.
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I suppose that makes sense for products you might have encountered in other contexts. I'm not so sure on the "30 minute Let's Play as interstitial ad" thing, though...
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:I suppose that makes sense for products you might have encountered in other contexts. I'm not so sure on the "30 minute Let's Play as interstitial ad" thing, though... I meant skippable ads in general Super long ads, yeah, I think that's just dumb on the advertiser's part.
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Aug 5, 2014 16:34
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I figure if you're gonna try to put a video of yours out as an ad (assuming you're a Let's Player) then just do a highlight/comedy reel or something easy that would actually make people want to see your lovely videos. Not a loving 20 minute video. No one wants to see that.
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Unfunny Poster posted:I figure if you're gonna try to put a video of yours out as an ad (assuming you're a Let's Player) then just do a highlight/comedy reel or something easy that would actually make people want to see your lovely videos. Not a loving 20 minute video. No one wants to see that. And I've seen LPers do those, though never anything really appealing. So many of the bigger name LPers are practically clones of each other.
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chitoryu12 posted:And I've seen LPers do those, though never anything really appealing. So many of the bigger name LPers are practically clones of each other. Nah man, there's a lot of individuality and intricacy. For example, DSP's fakey death shrieks are a slightly different pitch from DC's.
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This just in, JonTron calls someone else retarded and the internet is a shitstorm because there's literally nothing else anyone could be doing right now other than trying to tell someone else to not use the word retarded. It is currently the best use of everyones time and I refuse to believe otherwise.
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KamenZero posted:This just in, JonTron calls someone else retarded and the internet is a shitstorm because there's literally nothing else anyone could be doing right now other than trying to tell someone else to not use the word retarded. It is currently the best use of everyones time and I refuse to believe otherwise. No, the issue is that the dude was a jackass about it.
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I like the idea people have that when you take offense to something you stop everything and all you do is crusade instead of just taking five minutes to call out bullshit.
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KamenZero posted:This just in, JonTron calls someone else retarded and the internet is a shitstorm because there's literally nothing else anyone could be doing right now other than trying to tell someone else to not use the word retarded. It is currently the best use of everyones time and I refuse to believe otherwise. Defending an internet celebrity's right to use offensive language is a much bigger waste of time.
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Mr. Maltose posted:I like the idea people have that when you take offense to something you stop everything and all you do is crusade instead of just taking five minutes to call out bullshit. (this post took about a minute that I used to type instead of helping darfurian war orphans.) ((I was never going to help darfurian war orphans.)
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Turtlicious posted:Yeah, same. Look if you're not tackling the biggest problems plaguing mankind don't even bother loving around with anything, okay.
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Saith posted:Defending an internet celebrity's right to use offensive language is a much bigger waste of time. I'm not defending it, I'm just.. Like, I think he should apologize, but at this point it's obvious he's not, so, it seems like it would be more productive to just kind of.. walk away and watch someone else instead.
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"Just walk away, and there will be an end to all the live streams. Just walk away, and I promise you safe passage through the internet." -xXLORD_HUMUNGUS_420Xx
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The thing about internet shitstorms is that it's basically a thousand people taking a minute to call someone a bad name. Hell, it gets so repetitive because nobody bothers to read anyone else's comments.
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