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HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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WoodrowSkillson posted:

Do you have a sword yet? What kind would you want/have based on your motley approach?
Not one of my own, and although I have a belt knife I don't have a proper dagger. For a dagger I'd like a stiletto if I can find a reproduction, and for a sword possibly something like "The Renaissance Rapier With A Cirrus Basket" here (doesn't look like I can link to it in particular, so just wordsearch for that phrase): http://www.swords.cz/enbestof.html

Edit: One of those little Finnish daggers might be cool, though.

Edit 2: See, the thing is that as anyone who has seen me irl can attest, I look dago as all hell. Nobody will buy me as German, Bohemian, Swedish, English, Scottish, Finnish, or even French, so I figured I'd go with a bunch of Spanish and Italian stuff. I might be able to do "Balkans" though.

HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Aug 4, 2014

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PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

HEY GAL posted:

Not one of my own, and although I have a belt knife I don't have a proper dagger. For a dagger I'd like a stiletto if I can find a reproduction, and for a sword possibly something like "The Renaissance Rapier With A Cirrus Basket" here (doesn't look like I can link to it in particular, so just wordsearch for that phrase): http://www.swords.cz/enbestof.html

The basket on that sword is insanely cool.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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PittTheElder posted:

The basket on that sword is insanely cool.
Almost too cool for my clothing; I look like something dredged out of the river and set on a slab.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

HEY GAL posted:

Not one of my own, and although I have a belt knife I don't have a proper dagger. For a dagger I'd like a stiletto if I can find a reproduction, and for a sword possibly something like "The Renaissance Rapier With A Cirrus Basket" here (doesn't look like I can link to it in particular, so just wordsearch for that phrase): http://www.swords.cz/enbestof.html

Edit: One of those little Finnish daggers might be cool, though.

Edit 2: See, the thing is that as anyone who has seen me irl can attest, I look dago as all hell. Nobody will buy me as German, Bohemian, Swedish, English, Scottish, Finnish, or even French, so I figured I'd go with a bunch of Spanish and Italian stuff. I might be able to do "Balkans" though.

That's a cool looking sword. Was there any consistency in the swords used by pikemen? I know they all had one as a sidearm since things going to hell in a handbasket was par for the course in the 30 years war. I know all kinds of swords were knocking about until militaries all shift to sabers in the later 1700's. Old longswords, rapiers, sideswords, backswords, broadswords, messers, etc.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

PittTheElder posted:

The basket on that sword is insanely cool.

I'm a sucker for blades with really ornate baskets or hand guards too.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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WoodrowSkillson posted:

That's a cool looking sword. Was there any consistency in the swords used by pikemen? I know they all had one as a sidearm since things going to hell in a handbasket was par for the course in the 30 years war. I know all kinds of swords were knocking about until militaries all shift to sabers in the later 1700's. Old longswords, rapiers, sideswords, backswords, broadswords, messers, etc.

The "proto rapier" is where it's at, in the civilian and military worlds. I don't know if the Scottish have that basket-hilted thing yet.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

HEY GAL posted:

The "proto rapier" is where it's at, in the civilian and military worlds. I don't know if the Scottish have that basket-hilted thing yet.

Awesome, those are my favorite swords from the period. Pretty much a slimmed down longsword blade with the cool basket hilts.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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The only stipulation about my weapons I've ever heard is that you need to wear your sword or dagger in such a way that you can reach it with your right hand when you curl your right arm over your left arm in the position "charge against cavalry." Number 16, center of the bottom row.

Edit: Even in a diagram, these things are awkward. The little diagram-dudes look like they're about to knock into one another in one or two places.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

HEY GAL posted:

Edit: One of those little Finnish daggers might be cool, though.

I have a 40 year old puukko from my dad :P

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

JaucheCharly posted:

I have a 40 year old puukko from my dad :P

So that's what happened to the knife...

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
Oh...you...I have to return some videos.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Communist Zombie posted:

I remember in a thread on SA (this thread?) where someone posted records from Soviet supply depots in the middle of Siberia or something. Things of note were how the units stationed there had to oil smooth bore cannon balls to keep them ready, and that the only thing of value in the actual depot for the officer to take was some silk rope.

Hemp rope. Also axes. But yes, the dreaded "store forever" stamp exists on far too many things that it shouldn't go on and not enough things that it should.

Pornographic Memory posted:

I kind of love that Ensign Expendable's blog of translated Soviet military documents started so he could troll people on the World of Tanks forums by blindsiding them with citations from primary sources that they literally would have had no way of obtaining or reading before Ensign posted them.

They would if they'd read my blog :colbert: Although I've actually gotten some of the less drooling idiots to go and at least look at DTIC for relevant documents, so I guess that's a gain for history.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

my dad posted:

So that's what happened to the knife...

:thurman:

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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Are you familiar with his posting? Motherfucker loving camps threads like this, waiting for someone to give him an in.

He could be in one of your threads right now.

Watching.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Just like my dad. :emo:


Ensign Expendable posted:

They would if they'd read my blog :colbert: Although I've actually gotten some of the less drooling idiots to go and at least look at DTIC for relevant documents, so I guess that's a gain for history.

Or they just accuse you of being biased and being an employee of wargaming.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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SeanBeansShako posted:

I'm a sucker for blades with really ornate baskets or hand guards too.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Awesome, those are my favorite swords from the period. Pretty much a slimmed down longsword blade with the cool basket hilts.
(1) Looks like the Scottish did invent the basket-hilted claymore by the 1600s
(2) Look at these pictures, oh my godddddd:neckbeard:

BurningStone
Jun 3, 2011
Would a soldier actually have all their gear in the style of their home country? Or would they start that way, then pick up replacements from wherever?

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

HEY GAL posted:

Are you familiar with his posting? Motherfucker loving camps threads like this, waiting for someone to give him an in.

He could be in one of your threads right now.

Watching.

He's like The Bible, or God, etc.

Gimmick accounts made to pick up on stuff like that. Hell, I was "The Entire Universe" before I changed my name.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

FAUXTON posted:

He's like The Bible, or God, etc.

Gimmick accounts made to pick up on stuff like that. Hell, I was "The Entire Universe" before I changed my name.

I actually make username jokes fairly rarely. Gimmicks get boring fast, but a surprise zinger once a month ensures maximum comedy without running the joke into the ground.

edit: I still can't believe that nobody made this username for 12 years. "my dad" is the gimmicky username with the highest potential for comedy, due to context it's usually used in.

my dad fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Aug 4, 2014

Xlorp
Jan 23, 2008


I was gifted some thick summer reading and would like to know how much of a critical eye should I bring with me before diving in.

The Balkans, Nationalism, War and the Great Powers, 1804-1899 - Misha Glenny
The Fall of the House of Hapsburg - Edward Crankshaw

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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BurningStone posted:

Would a soldier actually have all their gear in the style of their home country? Or would they start that way, then pick up replacements from wherever?
Except for your armor and your musket/pike, it's all on you to provide your things unless your army has proto-uniforms (the Saxon Landesdefension in the 1620s, Sweden in the 1630s, Parma in the 1630s, the New Model Army, etc). So you'd probably start looking either like a civilian from your region or like a civilian from your region in a specific color (even proto-uniforms didn't have a different cut or anything) and you'd slowly replace your things from wherever. Even when your employers give you cloth you often make the clothing yourself, or have it made, so they'd be cut according to preference.

my dad posted:

I actually make username jokes fairly rarely. Gimmicks get boring fast, but a surprise zinger once a month ensures maximum comedy without running the joke into the ground.

edit: I still can't believe that nobody made this username for 12 years. "my dad" is the gimmicky username with the highest potential for comedy, due to context it's usually used in.
I think I've said this before, but you, "my dead gay son," "dad gay, so what," and "VOTED WORST MOM" need to hang out.

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax

my dad posted:

edit: I still can't believe that nobody made this username for 12 years. "my dad" is the gimmicky username with the highest potential for comedy, due to context it's usually used in.

That would be Literally Hitler.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Some WW1 battlefields 100 years later.



I want to see more pictures of old trenches 'cause that's really weird to see.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

It really does go to show that erosion is a very slow event in most places.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Phanatic posted:

"Each kit represents the personal equipment carried by a notional common British soldier at a landmark battle over the past millennium."

1485 Yorkist has some pretty baller armor for a notional common British soldier, no?
The first dude appears to be a Huscarl who's managed to yoink lots of Norman gear too.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

On the 29th of July, the British forces were ordered into a "Precautionary Period", rather like the runners in a race coming under starter's orders; something very close to, and in preparation for full mobilisation, but not quite. Part of the Army at home had gone on immediate standby to be dispatched to resist invasion; the rest of it was sent to guard various points of interest around the coast. One of them was a young private in the Rifle Brigade, stationed near the port of Felixstowe (currently playing host to the cruiser HMS Amphion and its attendant destroyers), whose six days' stint of incredibly dull guard duty was about to get considerably more interesting.

quote:

The day after August bank holiday, I was on sentry from ten o'clock to midnight, on the seaward side of the oil tanks. It was a still, still night with no wind at all and the sea was like plate glass - the sort of night when sound travels for miles. Eerie, really. Just you and the stars and the sea and the sound of your own feet, soft on the grass. Suddenly, I heard this tremendous roaring noise coming from across the water - cheering and shouting. I couldn't work it out at all. Then I decided that it ust be the crew of the big ship cheering at the end of a deck concert. It was ages before it died away.

My relief was late that night. I had my ears cocked to hear if they were coming, but what I actually heard was the sound of a boat being rowed ashore. I was absolutely nonplussed. I had no idea what to do, because I wasn't prepared for anything to come at me from the seaward side. But I knelt down among the coarse grass, and the reeds, raised my rifle, and shouted as loud as I could yell, "Halt! Who goes there?"

I could hear the boat grounding on the beach and I could make out the figure standing up in it. He shouted "Naval officer, with urgent orders for the Military Commander of this post!" I shouted back at them to stay where they were and I yelled for the guard. They came running, and the Corporal, Harry Warren, went closer to the water and covered the crew when they landed. There was an officer and two ratings. They spoke for a minute, and then Corporal Warren shouted to me (because my relief had turned up by this time), "Shawyer, take this officer to Captain Prettie."

I walked with them back to the little campsite a few hundred yards from the beach and the Captain came out of his tent and the naval officer saluted him. And he said "Sir, I have the honour to report that as from eleven o'clock, a state of War exists between Great Britain and Germany."

As long as I live, I'll never forget those words.

While the officers were talking, one of the ratings told me that the noise I'd heard earlier was the sailors cheering the order to clear the decks for action.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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quote:

"Sir, I have the honour to report that as from eleven o'clock, a state of War exists between Great Britain and Germany."
This evening, while I was walking home from work, a bell on the Neustädter Markt started ringing and didn't stop.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

HEY GAL posted:

This evening, while I was walking home from work, a bell on the Neustädter Markt started ringing and didn't stop.

I thought that was a quote for a moment.

Must be eerie, that same bell probably rang 100 years ago for the same reason.

HEY GUNS
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MA-Horus posted:

I thought that was a quote for a moment.

Must be eerie, that same bell probably rang 100 years ago for the same reason.
The weird thing is I didn't hear anything for 28 July, even though I was listening for it.

And dude, living in Dresden is like living over a grave. It's eerie all up in.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

MA-Horus posted:

that same bell probably rang 100 years ago for the same reason.

Probably not. Assuming it survived WW2 intact the Russians were pretty active in grabbing church bells (well, pretty much anything large and metal) to melt down for scrap as part of the immediate post-war reparations.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Probably not. Assuming it survived WW2 intact
:lol: it's just across the river from the city center. That would be "no."

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

HEY GAL posted:

:lol: it's just across the river from the city center. That would be "no."

Actually, yes and no. I just looked it up (hooray wikipedia!). I'm assuming you're talking about the bells in the Dreikönigskirche? If that's the case they actually melted during the bombing/burning of the city in 1945. No specific mention is made, but I'm guessing being a puddle fuzed to whatever foundation of the church was there got them overlooked by the post-war Soviet scrapping parties because the melted lumps of bronze were re-cast in the 70s into the bells that hang there today.

So, in a way, it kinda was those bells in 1914, just not in the precise form that they're in today.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Actually, yes and no. I just looked it up (hooray wikipedia!). I'm assuming you're talking about the bells in the Dreikönigskirche? If that's the case they actually melted during the bombing/burning of the city in 1945. No specific mention is made, but I'm guessing being a puddle fuzed to whatever foundation of the church was there got them overlooked by the post-war Soviet scrapping parties because the melted lumps of bronze were re-cast in the 70s into the bells that hang there today.

So, in a way, it kinda was those bells in 1914, just not in the precise form that they're in today.
Oh that's really cool. Yeah, it was the Dreikönigskirche. (If you'll zoom out you'll see that the archive is right around the corner on, um, Archivstrasse.) Thanks, Internet, thanks Cyrano!

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

:stare:

Jesus Christ, the bells melted?

Oh. You're in Dresden. That kind of puts the fire-bombing into better perspective.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

I remember watching a documentary where someone spent some time wandering around Dresden, and thinking "jesus, the entire city looks like a horrific 50s council estate, how did that happen?"

...

"OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that's what "firebombing" means"

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Cyrano4747 posted:

Actually, yes and no. I just looked it up (hooray wikipedia!). I'm assuming you're talking about the bells in the Dreikönigskirche? If that's the case they actually melted during the bombing/burning of the city in 1945. No specific mention is made, but I'm guessing being a puddle fuzed to whatever foundation of the church was there got them overlooked by the post-war Soviet scrapping parties because the melted lumps of bronze were re-cast in the 70s into the bells that hang there today.

So, in a way, it kinda was those bells in 1914, just not in the precise form that they're in today.
This is the best thread. :allears:

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

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Trin Tragula posted:

I remember watching a documentary where someone spent some time wandering around Dresden, and thinking "jesus, the entire city looks like a horrific 50s council estate, how did that happen?"

...

"OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that's what "firebombing" means"
No it doesn't, just the East German housing (which is, admittedly, most of it). The Old City looks like this, which is even heavier on the mind:


Dark stones are original, pale stones are not. It's a patchwork city now.

And scratched onto one of the walls of this thing you can read, in Russian, THERE ARE NO LANDMINES HERE.

Edit: The church I was talking about is a perverse thing, they rebuilt the interior in a modern style, into the bare white walls of which the surviving bits of baroque stone are set like jewels.

The entire thing used to look like that reredos. The new building was intended as an anti-war memorial, and if the idea was to mess with my head they succeeded.

It includes a Dance of Death:

HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Aug 5, 2014

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Trin Tragula posted:

I remember watching a documentary where someone spent some time wandering around Dresden, and thinking "jesus, the entire city looks like a horrific 50s council estate, how did that happen?"

...

"OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH that's what "firebombing" means"

A horrific council estate is one of the best descriptions I've heard of for soviet style flats.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


That is pretty cool, in an incredibly morbid kind of way.

Which describes most of the stuff in this thread honestly.

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice

Koramei posted:

Some WW1 battlefields 100 years later.



I want to see more pictures of old trenches 'cause that's really weird to see.

The crazy thing for me is the sheer number of what appears to be shell craters. :stare:

Why did stick grenades (the kind that the Germans and Soviets seemed to like) fall out of use and now we have these weird peanut/grapefruit shaped things?

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