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The Casualty posted:Regarding Tong's knowledge of Jaime Reyes' message, it doesn't seem like much of a mystery that Tong would hear about it. Makes sense to me that he would receive such a message via Alex Jacobson. I'm still curious what sort of hoops Jamie had to go through just to contact Alex considering the former is being watched and the latter has been branded a traitor. MechanicalTomPetty posted:Haha, I had no idea you could even skip the catacombs. That would have been useful in my other playthoughs, I always kinda hated this area for how confusing the layout is. I got through the Champs Elysée, at least, but the only change I noticed is that the part where Nicolette asks after Chad's health is omitted completely. I suppose that would be a pretty awkward conversation since even if you don't kill Chad yourself you'd probably be responsible for leading the MJ-12 troops into their bunker. Oh, and Tong covers your rear end by getting some anonymous tip that she's at Club la Port de l'Enfer.
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Yeah, when you talk to Nicolette later, JC will say "Stanton Down will vouch for me" instead of "Chad will vouch for me" if Chad is dead.
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I found a bit better quote:I explained why this is all wrong a long time ago. But it’s especially important to understand the wrongness of this view right now. If there’s one overwhelming lesson from the Great Depression, it is that putting a higher priority on stabilizing your currency than on domestic recovery is utterly disastrous. Barry Eichengreen pointed out years ago that major economies went off gold in the following order: Japan,
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Dawncloack posted:And it's not the only one And another one!
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Holy poo poo finally I see that comic in full English. That's some crazy poo poo right there, holy drat who thought all that? I had no idea the swastika came from much earlier than the National Socialist Party, I thought Hitler took that for himself from weirder ideologies. Did not know that he took the idea itself from the Germanic Order. I'm really glad that you showed Golden Dawn in the mix there somewhere, because gently caress those guys, they literally were charging up a new Nazi regime in the exact same conditions (or at least, some thereof) of Germany post-WWI concerning financial desiccation. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Here are some notes of the real Catacombs: First after descending down from the entrance you'll walk dimly lit narrow corridor for about 500 m or more to reach the real catacombs.  The black paint on the top is the original navigation for visitors. Then you'll enter the Empire of the Dead  The catacomb paths are much more linear and there are altars, sculptures and tombs of people related to the building of the catacombs. There are pathways closed from the audience but no loose bricks or anything in there.   Compulsory OSHA.jpg 
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm still curious what sort of hoops Jamie had to go through just to contact Alex considering the former is being watched and the latter has been branded a traitor. It's Alex and Tong you're talking about. I guarantee they were already monitoring Jamie's computer, so all he had to do was open up Notepad and type "I have a message for JC."
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I'm kinda disappointed you didn't make more mention of the Spear of Destiny which is probably The thing when it comes to the occult and nazis.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Today's video is going to get uncomfortable, and not just because of the walls full of human bones.
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Aug 4, 2014 21:08
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Xander77 posted:Oh, I was hoping for a Literature corner about what Chad said. That's as much (or more) Deux Ex's main theme as DE:HR is about augmentations, though far more subtly. Sorry, but there won't be a Literature Corner about Bakhtin.
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Xander77 posted:Oh, I was hoping for a Literature corner about what Chad said. That's as much (or more) Deux Ex's main theme as DE:HR is about augmentations, though far more subtly. "This war all around us is being fought over the very meaning of words." is another thing Chad said that would be worth having a bit of a dig into. Heck, there is even straight tie and example with the Nazism and Germany where the phrase "Deutschland uber alles" was turned from a slogan of national unity and the ability for people to see past the petty borders and historical feuds that divide them to one of racial superiority and right to dominate. You can then also go into into the whole way various movements, issues and so forth are framed both in this modern world and in the past.
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Munin posted:"This war all around us is being fought over the very meaning of words." is another thing Chad said that would be worth having a bit of a dig into.
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I don't know anything of Bakhtin, but the war being fought over words also smacks of Baudrillard and postmodernism in general I feel like, and it's extremely critical to the postmodern Weltanschau that I think Deus Ex really does a great job of embodying.
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Munin posted:"This war all around us is being fought over the very meaning of words." is another thing Chad said that would be worth having a bit of a dig into. Heck, there is even straight tie and example with the Nazism and Germany where the phrase "Deutschland uber alles" was turned from a slogan of national unity and the ability for people to see past the petty borders and historical feuds that divide them to one of racial superiority and right to dominate. You can then also go into into the whole way various movements, issues and so forth are framed both in this modern world and in the past. Voltaire said something in the same spirit: "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make your commit atrocities" (Voltaire is also mentioned in relation to Chad later on)
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IlliterateChild, who's doing the Glitched Walkthrough of Deus Ex, just posted a dialogue option from the very first mission on Liberty Island. What if JC provokes the NSF commander when unarmed, then instead of returning fire, runs like a bitch all the way back to UNATCO? Turns out, Paul has a unique dialogue for that outcome. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oO69Tb0CHQ Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm still curious what sort of hoops Jamie had to go through just to contact Alex considering the former is being watched and the latter has been branded a traitor. Jaime going to Paris at all is indicative of the pre-9/11 attitude DX1 was developed under. Sure, leave UNATCO, then go straight into the lion's den, a major city overrun with MJ12. The fact that he was even able to make it into the city, let alone make it to a public place after dark, is pretty silly. But, of course, he promised JC he'd stick around at UNATCO until he got drummed out, so of course he keeps his word. J.theYellow fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Aug 4, 2014 |
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I'm still curious what sort of hoops Jamie had to go through just to contact Alex considering the former is being watched and the latter has been branded a traitor. I leave all that up to creative license. I'm just saying there's a link connecting Reyes and Tong.
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Also: Daedalus.
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paragon1 posted:Also: Daedalus. You know what? I'll take it. The thing can literally see and redirect every single email sent anywhere in the world in real-time. Jamie could've sent himself an encrypted email from and to his own off-the-grid account and Daedalus still could have intercepted it through a key-logging virus. He could also explain how Jamie got all the permissions he needed to visit Paris despite the lockdown.
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I think the not knowing how contributes to everything, frankly. It adds to the post-modern vibe. Even though there is this vast global conspiracy, poo poo still happens, people still get away with things. Even the all-seeing, all-knowing government conspiracy isn't flawless, a small enough dude can find a way to slip through the cracks. After all, we have been.
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Paramemetic posted:I think the not knowing how contributes to everything, frankly. It adds to the post-modern vibe. Even though there is this vast global conspiracy, poo poo still happens, people still get away with things. Even the all-seeing, all-knowing government conspiracy isn't flawless, a small enough dude can find a way to slip through the cracks. After all, we have been. Well we do have the benefit of a stealth helicopter that can do intercontinental hops nbd--along with its pilot who apparently has lots of free time--so there are far fewer cracks we need to fall through.
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Also J.C. has a sicknasty K/D ratio that makes people reluctant to pursue.
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At first I was sure these French voice actors were actually French, but the way they pronounce certain words (especially ones that start with an "h" or are actual French words) have convinced me that they are in fact probably not actually French. Good effort, though.
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About the source of the flaming kegs everywhere? It's a well-known fact that the Catacombs are an ancient barrelground 
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Jay Rust posted:At first I was sure these French voice actors were actually French, but the way they pronounce certain words (especially ones that start with an "h" or are actual French words) have convinced me that they are in fact probably not actually French. Good effort, though.
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Jay Rust posted:At first I was sure these French voice actors were actually French, but the way they pronounce certain words (especially ones that start with an "h" or are actual French words) have convinced me that they are in fact probably not actually French. Good effort, though. I'm pretty sure Chad is a real Frenchman, but I don't think we've met many others yet. There are a few more on the Champs Elysée, but I'd say it's a 50/50 mix at best.
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Hmm. Some quick Googling has revealed to me that Chad's voice actor is probably indeed French, but certain things, like how he says "La Porte de l'Enfer" (viewable at around 25:40 in the video), just don't sit right with me. He pronounces "l'Enfer" like an anglophone would, loving up the "r". Maybe I'm too sensitive to these kinds of things, but I would normally assume that if you were speaking a foreign language with someone, and yet an expression native to yours came up, you would pronounce it naturally, in your native accent?
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Jay Rust posted:Hmm. Some quick Googling has revealed to me that Chad's voice actor is probably indeed French, but certain things, like how he says "La Porte de l'Enfer" (viewable at around 25:40 in the video), just don't sit right with me. He pronounces "l'Enfer" like an anglophone would, loving up the "r". French has a lot of exceptions to the rule, as you might expect from a language that drops so many letters when speaking. There's also such a thing as regional accents.
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Jay Rust posted:Maybe I'm too sensitive to these kinds of things, but I would normally assume that if you were speaking a foreign language with someone, and yet an expression native to yours came up, you would pronounce it naturally, in your native accent? Not necessarily. To use my own language: Serbian and English sound very different. I don't think I can quite explain it, but to me, speaking in English is like I'm trying to whisper loudly while chewing. For example, Serbian 'R' is rolled hard enough to become a vowel of sorts, and the English 'R' is very soft. Switching between those sounds quickly can be problematic, and leads to silly results. So, if I'm speaking an English sentence with English 'R' sounds, and have to say a Serbian word that contains a Serbian 'R' like Beograd (Belgrade), I'll just say it the English way.
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Paramemetic posted:I don't know anything of Bakhtin, but the war being fought over words also smacks of Baudrillard and postmodernism in general I feel like, and it's extremely critical to the postmodern Weltanschau that I think Deus Ex really does a great job of embodying. This impressed the hell out of me. For all Deus Ex went "it's Paris, replace half of the 40s with wine bottles!" you then get conversations like Chad's that are just so... overpoweringly French. I agree about Baudrillard et al. It was a really cool monologue.
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In Lecture 31, you imply that the German cities and countrysides were ravaged by the First World War . In case you didn't know, no foreign troops ever set foot inside Germany proper during that conflict. As far as I know, no German cities or countrysides were harmed during the making of the Great War.
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J.theYellow posted:IlliterateChild, who's doing the Glitched Walkthrough of Deus Ex, just posted a dialogue option from the very first mission on Liberty Island. What if JC provokes the NSF commander when unarmed, then instead of returning fire, runs like a bitch all the way back to UNATCO? Ah, goddamnit. I never knew you could do that. I never even considered it, because I learn to run away in the next area.
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Ratatozsk posted:About the source of the flaming kegs everywhere? It's a well-known fact that the Catacombs are an ancient barrelground Some Geop-tier puns up in this bitch.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:French has a lot of exceptions to the rule, as you might expect from a language that drops so many letters when speaking. There's also such a thing as regional accents. France had quite the empire once so there came a lot of variations concerning dialect so people tend to say things differently was all. I still find it rather fascinating though, the fact that many languages have all their own dialects and obfuscations that create such strange diversity.
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FinalGamer posted:French is exorbitantly filled with a huge variety of accents all over the place. My go to example is Hebrew - a language that has been revived for approximately a century and is spoken mostly within the boundaries of a country the size of New Jersey. Yet, there are a number of native accents, as well as developing dialects. I think you'll have a far harder time finding an established language that doesn't have a variety of accents and dialects. Edit - Which is why you hear a lot of "This actor's accent is terrible. Oh, he's a native speaker?" Xander77 fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Aug 5, 2014 |
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Deus Ex lead writer Sheldon Pacotti got quoted at length for a Kotaku UK feature: How Deus Ex Predicted the Future.Sheldon Pacotti posted:"Regarding the 99 per cent [question], it's funny ... I guess I've always had a populist streak in me. I can't speak for the rest of the development team, but even before the economic shocks of the 2000s I was preoccupied with the smallness of individual people compared to modern companies and governments. It's hard to own your own career – and identity – when you often don't even see the faces of the people deciding whether or not your job exists. You're even more alienated when the 'decisions' are really just the result of impenetrably complex macro-economic processes. This vastness of scale is a direct outgrowth of technology". Includes some plot spoilers if you read far enough.
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BlitzkriegOfColour posted:In Lecture 31, you imply that the German cities and countrysides were ravaged by the First World War . In case you didn't know, no foreign troops ever set foot inside Germany proper during that conflict. As far as I know, no German cities or countrysides were harmed during the making of the Great War. There was some fighting on German soil (some of which would go to Poland after the war) on the Eastern front, but otherwise you're correct.
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Well that sure was a lighthearted conspiracy corner.
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I love it that the dragon sword sounds like you're whacking someone with a rolled-up newspaper.
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In this episode, I get to flex my Bachelor's in English.    Handouts: Welcome to Paris! APR: Bot Kills Three Paris Investigateur: Scandal Resurfaces Coq au Vin To Do List Common Sense Known misses: Still in the middle of the Champs-Élysée at the moment.
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