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bobkatt013 posted:So the original sin secret is that He married Mystique!That now makes him the step dad of Nightcrawler and Rogue! What is the point? Who the gently caress knows. Xavier did?
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Senor Candle posted:Xavier did? Yep
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Jul 30, 2014 21:52
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bobkatt013 posted:So the original sin secret is that He married Mystique!That now makes him the step dad of Nightcrawler and Rogue! What is the point? Who the gently caress knows. That's just one of the secrets, Bendis is dragging on the reveal of Xavier's "darkest secret" And I enjoyed all of the reactions to that reveal too.
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Jul 30, 2014 21:54
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bobkatt013 posted:So the original sin secret is that He married Mystique!That now makes him the step dad of Nightcrawler and Rogue! What is the point? Who the gently caress knows. Well no. Xavier married Mystique at some point because...whatever Xavier and Mystique had a close relationship in First Class okay. The reveal is Xavier had a mutant before the X-Men and he was super powerful, so powerful he had to be mindwiped to forget his powers, and people no doubt died and this dark secret is completely different to Vulcan and Deadly Genesis. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
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Jul 30, 2014 21:59
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Waterhaul posted:Well no. Xavier married Mystique at some point because...whatever Xavier and Mystique had a close relationship in First Class okay. Maybe it's additional to Genesis, like an add-on. A Deadly 32X, if you will.
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Jul 30, 2014 22:01
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A deadly Sonic And Knuckles adapter
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Jul 30, 2014 22:06
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Its Vulcan and Legion combined times 100!
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Jul 30, 2014 22:08
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Sentinel Red posted:Does she say "you have sown the wind...now reap the whirlwind"? Only when written by Simon Furman.
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Jul 30, 2014 22:15
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Maybe it was a DAUGHTER and that daughter married Corsair and Legion is the fourth Summers brother.
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Jul 30, 2014 22:45
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Eventually someone is going to try to update that X-Men relationship chart from a while back, and they'll end up raving mad as if they had probed too deep into some Lovecraftian tome.
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Jul 31, 2014 00:34
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Emma's reaction to the news was pretty much exactly my own.
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Jul 31, 2014 01:01
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Sentinel Red posted:Emma's reaction to the news was pretty much exactly my own. Yea, everyone else was  but Emma was  I also liked Magick being bothered by She hulk playing on her phone.
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Jul 31, 2014 03:06
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Storm's daughter needs a belt.
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Jul 31, 2014 05:09
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I want to like Storm's daughter but Avengers just brought back the future children of the Avengers and it's all people with two super hero parents and one of them is her not brother and we have enough lovely teenage heroes without pulling random ones out of the future for no reason.
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Nevvy Z posted:I want to like Storm's daughter but Avengers just brought back the future children of the Avengers and it's all people with two super hero parents and one of them is her not brother and we have enough lovely teenage heroes without pulling random ones out of the future for no reason. Remember when it was just Cable and Rachel? Oh the good old days.
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Aug 3, 2014 17:15
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Whoa we already knew Xavier had a secret all-powerful student. Her name is Sage.
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Aug 4, 2014 11:53
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I imagine Xavier walks around calling every mutant he meets "possibly the most powerful mutant I've ever known!" "Iceman meet Cable he's possibly the most powerful mutant I've ever known! Cable this is iceman possibly the most powerful mutant I've ever known! Have you two meet hands fall off boy? He's possibly the most powerful mutant I've ever known! Now that you've been introduced I need to tell you about who we are fighting, he's possibly the most powerful mutant I've ever known!"
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SirDan3k posted:I imagine Xavier walks around calling every mutant he meets "possibly the most powerful mutant I've ever known!" It's kind of weird looking back at the really early Lee/Kirby stuff where their deadliest enemies were guys like the Vanisher and the Blob, and they were the ones that'd get Xavier going, "Cerebro has detected a new mutant who could be the deadliest threat the world has ever known!"
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Metal Loaf posted:It's kind of weird looking back at the really early Lee/Kirby stuff where their deadliest enemies were guys like the Vanisher and the Blob, and they were the ones that'd get Xavier going, "Cerebro has detected a new mutant who could be the deadliest threat the world has ever known!" Hey Vanisher would prove to be pretty powerful . . . sixty years later or so when he was on X-Force.
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Metal Loaf posted:It's kind of weird looking back at the really early Lee/Kirby stuff where their deadliest enemies were guys like the Vanisher and the Blob, and they were the ones that'd get Xavier going, "Cerebro has detected a new mutant who could be the deadliest threat the world has ever known!" So in other words... SirDan3k posted:I imagine Xavier walks around calling every mutant he meets "possibly the most powerful mutant I've ever known!" ...this actually is canon.
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Aug 4, 2014 18:26
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Hey, as long as the power level keeps creeping up he's never actually wrong.
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Speaking of the really early stuff, one "What If?" that I think would be pretty cool is "What if Professor X sent his first class of X-Men to join the Avengers?" I recently read through "Mutant Massacre", "Fall of the Mutants" and the original New Mutants up to that point, and one thing that struck me was, "Would the X-Men and mutants be looked upon more charitably if they'd been in an actual superhero team early on in their career, instead of Xavier basically sequestering them from the superhuman community at large?" I mean, it worked for Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, and they were once in a team that had "evil" in its name.
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Aug 4, 2014 18:44
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If only Xavier had survived long enough to meet Goldballs.
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Metal Loaf posted:Speaking of the really early stuff, one "What If?" that I think would be pretty cool is "What if Professor X sent his first class of X-Men to join the Avengers?" I recently read through "Mutant Massacre", "Fall of the Mutants" and the original New Mutants up to that point, and one thing that struck me was, "Would the X-Men and mutants be looked upon more charitably if they'd been in an actual superhero team early on in their career, instead of Xavier basically sequestering them from the superhuman community at large?" You'd have to do something with Xavier first, like give him a slightly better upbringing. Stuff like Deadly Genesis and its ilk didn't come out of nowhere. One of Xavier's plot beats since the start was always how he wrapped a lot of arrogance and self-righteousness up in all his nice-sounding talk about the Dream, and that goes back to the Silver Age. I suspect what you'd end up with is "what if the Illuminati existed in the Silver Age?" Which could be fun by itself.
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Wanderer posted:You'd have to do something with Xavier first, like give him a slightly better upbringing. Stuff like Deadly Genesis and its ilk didn't come out of nowhere. One of Xavier's plot beats since the start was always how he wrapped a lot of arrogance and self-righteousness up in all his nice-sounding talk about the Dream, and that goes back to the Silver Age. This really isn't true. Most of the more negative stuff from that era are things that were (or at least bordered on) culturally acceptable when the story was written, and most of that started to fall away as the story telling got more sophisticated and comics got more progressive. Outside of Morrison (who took a more complicated look at Xavier that was mostly retconned away), we had roughly 30+ years of Xavier being written as mostly a moral paragon (to the point that several times there were several storylines where characters were rebelling against the unrelaism of Xavier's ideals because other humans were too flawed to live up to the ideals he could). It's too early to say where this current arc is going, but Deadly Genesis was roughly equivalent of a story that revealed that Steve Rogers was a horrible racist based on the fact that Captain America used to drop racial slurs in the silver age.
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The thing is that it wasn't just Deadly Genesis, there was some "Wow, Xavier is a bit of an rear end in a top hat" stuff in Astonishing X-Men, which was published close to the same time too, so it just seemed we got a bunch of stories revealing that Xavier had a dark and shadowy past. It's understandable that there are feelings that we don't really need another one. So, Brian Wood's X-Men just sort of...fizzled out. That whole thing, despite a reasonably promising start, was seriously just "meh".
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Aug 5, 2014 09:37
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Other than X-Factor I'm done reading X-Men books. I started to run with Cyclops then saw that Rucka is leaving the book so no thanks. None of Bendis stuff is any good, and the other books are meandering aimless crap. Update the thread title if Bendis actually decides to write something good or if another writer of talent starts writing something good. Oh I'm still on Cable & X-Force because while it's not great, it's interesting and different.
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irlZaphod posted:The thing is that it wasn't just Deadly Genesis, there was some "Wow, Xavier is a bit of an rear end in a top hat" stuff in Astonishing X-Men, which was published close to the same time too, so it just seemed we got a bunch of stories revealing that Xavier had a dark and shadowy past. It's understandable that there are feelings that we don't really need another one. Yeah I really liked the first couple issues but I dropped it really fast.
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Rick posted:This really isn't true. Most of the more negative stuff from that era are things that were (or at least bordered on) culturally acceptable when the story was written, and most of that started to fall away as the story telling got more sophisticated and comics got more progressive. Outside of Morrison (who took a more complicated look at Xavier that was mostly retconned away), we had roughly 30+ years of Xavier being written as mostly a moral paragon (to the point that several times there were several storylines where characters were rebelling against the unrelaism of Xavier's ideals because other humans were too flawed to live up to the ideals he could). My problem is its similar to Hank Pym. Everyone wants to write the redemption story so everyone fucks up his life so he can be redeemed. The past decade of Xavier stories have all been Dark Shadowy Past trying to make Xavier even more of a dick. The only real exception is Carey's run on Adjectiveless and Legacy.
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How well does Warren Ellis's Astonishing X-Men stand up to Whedon's? I think Whedon's X-Men is one of the best runs ever and am a huge fan of Ellis, so I'm looking forward to checking it out.
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Oh drat, I had forgotten that was a thing. That run was incredibly underwhelming in my opinion; the art was pretentious rubbish, Ellis' usual clever ideas were nowhere to be found, and the large hiatuses between issues didn't help at all. Doesn't hurt to check it if you can find it cheap somewhere, though.
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Aug 5, 2014 22:03
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Unmature posted:How well does Warren Ellis's Astonishing X-Men stand up to Whedon's? (I like the Ellis run myself, but don't go in expecting anything...Whedonesque, as the kids say.)
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Aug 5, 2014 22:08
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The X-Men are something Ellis shouldn't have touched. His run is terrible. It's Claremontium levels of bad.
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Unmature posted:How well does Warren Ellis's Astonishing X-Men stand up to Whedon's? It's loving terrible.
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Aug 5, 2014 23:30
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It felt like he shoehorned a random Warren Ellis Idea onto the X-Men.
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Aug 5, 2014 23:47
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Endless Mike posted:It's loving terrible. Rhyno posted:His run is terrible. It's Claremontium levels of bad. Eh, honestly, I think that's kind of an exaggeration. I can barely remember it -- that's how unmemorable it was -- but we are in a world with Brian Wood and Bendis on X-Men that are terrible and rather memorable as such. At least Ellis had the characters' voices and motivations down properly. Aside the dumb techno-babble, I think the worst thing about it was the core idea of non-mutants-but-mutants had already been done both by Claremont's Neo and Carey's Children of the Vault, plus the mystery surrounding them was underwhelming as heck.
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I really, really hated Bianchi's art back then. I feel like he's made his art less ugly now and even some issues he did that I actually thought were okay, but that run on Astonishing and the Wolverine v. Sabertooth storyline... it was unreadable. Just puddles of dark ink and ugly rage faces or completely baffling panel layouts.
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Saoshyant posted:Eh, honestly, I think that's kind of an exaggeration. I can barely remember it -- that's how unmemorable it was -- but we are in a world with Brian Wood and Bendis on X-Men that are terrible and rather memorable as such. At least Ellis had the characters' voices and motivations down properly. I still have no clue what Forge was on about but yeah overall it wasn't horrible, it was just there. You could read like the first couple of issues and the last issue and catch the gist.
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I guess I'll skip it for now unless I see it super cheap.
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Probably Magic posted:I really, really hated Bianchi's art back then. I feel like he's made his art less ugly now and even some issues he did that I actually thought were okay, but that run on Astonishing and the Wolverine v. Sabertooth storyline... it was unreadable. Just puddles of dark ink and ugly rage faces or completely baffling panel layouts. I used to really like Bianchi's pencils; my only issue is that the colorists he would use would always cover the art in this awful, dark airbrushing technique. Nowadays, I think his art has gotten even worse (especially for his issues of New Avengers).
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