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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Green Bay Wisconsin Teams who started out when the NFL was the employees at the local meat packing factory battling the guys from the steel mill down the road do not count.
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How did no one mention Las Vegas on the last page? Sure it won't happen because the NFL likes to push away the idea that gambling has anything to do with the popularity of the sport but it seems a lot more likely than some of the places that were brought up.
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Ribsauce posted:Richmond barely does (if it even does, I don't know). Richmond is bigger than New Orleans and Buffalo and a hair smaller than San Diego and Jacksonville.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:I don't see a Sacramento team being able to attract and hold a fanbase. Everyone there is already either a Niners or a Raiders fan. Everyone everywhere is already a <x> fan. NFL is super-popular nationwide. I think there's this kind of tunnel vision (and not you particularly, I mean generally) that says that the only way a new NFL team can be successful is if there's somehow a bunch of football fans sitting around not watching any football, but desperately wanting to watch some football. That doesn't mean you aren't correct about Sacramento, but they do have their own basketball team despite the Warriors being here in the bay area. It's a big metropolitan area and it's a little too far from the bay area to conveniently drive to a game (you can do it, but it's inconvenient). I tend to think that you could get an NFL franchise going pretty much anywhere in the US where that's the case. Grittybeard posted:How did no one mention Las Vegas on the last page? I suggested Phoenix but LV would be another option. I don't have a good sense of how many people actually live there, as opposed to visit for gambling purposes, though. Phoenix is a huge sprawling metro area with no nearby NFL franchise as well, and presumably could attract people from all over New Mexico and beyond in terms of fandom. LV is kind of out in the middle of nowhere, so while maybe you get the LV TV market, you don't get the LA market so I'm not sure if there's enough broadcasting area for the NFL to be happy with it. Ribsauce posted:I thought you had to be a big city to have an NFL team. People are tossing around Mobile and Charleston. Neither even break 200k. Richmond barely does (if it even does, I don't know). Little Rock, are you serious? Raleigh is also more affluent, and I think that's a big factor. Football tickets are expensive. I don't think Charleston or Mobile have any remote shot given their populations and the populations of their nearby cities, but Raleigh/Durham seems like more of a potential market.
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Leperflesh posted:Phoenix is a huge sprawling metro area with no nearby NFL franchise as well I wonder what Larry Fitzgerald has been doing hanging around there for so many years then...
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Here's a list of the most populous metro areas of the US: http://www.currentresults.com/Weather-Extremes/US/largest-cities-list.php If you add even 4 teams based on that, it would be LA, Portland, Sacramento, and San Antonio. Would San Antonio also be able to draw from the Austin area as well?
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Leperflesh posted:Phoenix is a huge sprawling metro area with no nearby NFL franchise as well, and presumably could attract people from all over New Mexico and beyond in terms of fandom. I know the Cardinals are a few years removed from the playoffs, but drat
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Sash! posted:Richmond is bigger than New Orleans and Buffalo and a hair smaller than San Diego and Jacksonville. Richmond also presumably has Norfolk/Virginia Beach
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Blitz7x posted:Richmond also presumably has Norfolk/Virginia Beach I'd just go right there in the first place. VA Beach has about 50% more people than Richmond and is closing in on 2 million fast. Sidesteps the whole "Richmond is too close to DC" thing.
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Leperflesh posted:Raleigh is also more affluent, and I think that's a big factor. Football tickets are expensive. I don't think Charleston or Mobile have any remote shot given their populations and the populations of their nearby cities, but Raleigh/Durham seems like more of a potential market. Raleigh also has Fayetteville and Greensboro about (or a little more than) an hour away and Wilmington two hours away.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:I know the Cardinals are a few years removed from the playoffs, but drat Guys he said NFL team, not MLB, come on. Everyone knows cardinals don't live in the desert.
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Elephanthead posted:Guys he said NFL team, not MLB, come on. Everyone knows cardinals don't live in the desert. Haha, yeah... Wait, do you think the Arizona Cardinals are a baseball team?
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Sash! posted:I'd just go right there in the first place. VA Beach has about 50% more people than Richmond and is closing in on 2 million fast. Sidesteps the whole "Richmond is too close to DC" thing. Closing in on 2 million fast? Doesn't it have like 400,000?
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Sash! posted:I'd just go right there in the first place. VA Beach has about 50% more people than Richmond and is closing in on 2 million fast. Sidesteps the whole "Richmond is too close to DC" thing. I object to all of Hampton Roads being called Virginia Beach.  The markets for teams are not just the cities they're named after. My assumption is that the NFL is interested in teams having a large population of people who will naturally root for the new team because it's the obvious local team. Charleston would probably draw all of South Carolina at least and some of southern/southeastern Georgia, which is small-ish for an NFL franchise but not unworkably so, and it would leave North Carolina as a solid, larger market for the Panthers. Putting a team in Raleigh would just create weird internecine divisions in the natural Panthers market, with a real risk that everybody would just remain a Panthers fan if the expansion team sucks; plus, the Panthers would never, ever approve it.
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rjmccall posted:I object to all of Hampton Roads being called Virginia Beach. People in eastern NC are JUST starting to like the Panthers again because Cam is so awesome. A Raleigh team would be awful
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Henchman of Santa posted:Closing in on 2 million fast? Doesn't it have like 400,000?
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Henchman of Santa posted:Closing in on 2 million fast? Doesn't it have like 400,000? The city, yes, the metro is like 1.8 million. Metro matters more than city. Fairfax, VA isn't even close to largest city in Virginia but Fairfax County has three times the population of the second most populous county. It's also twice as big as DC itself (DC's like 650,000). DC's a great example. More than half of DC's metro population isn't even in its side of the river. DC metro's just under 6 million and 3 million of them are in Northern Virginia. rjmccall posted:I object to all of Hampton Roads being called Virginia Beach. Well you see no one outside of Virginia has ever heard of Hampton Roads. You go to, like, Chicago and say things like Hampton Roads and the Northern Neck and people got no idea what you're talking about.
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You could say Norfolk, after the only significant city center.
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rjmccall posted:You could say Norfolk, after the only significant city center. The Newport News Raiders is pretty thematically fitting
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Grittybeard posted:How did no one mention Las Vegas on the last page? The NFL(and more especially, the NBA or NHL) needs to get over that perception and the one that a pro team would be more susceptible to gambling scandals, it would be the exact opposite, actually. Vegas' population was around 2 million when I lived there. It would have no problem supporting a basketball/hockey team, if not football. Chilichimp posted:Haha, yeah... The Arizona Cactii would be awesome and their mascot would be loving amazing.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:I know the Cardinals are a few years removed from the playoffs, but drat poo poo. Well I'm embarrassed! Yeah Arizona has a team, duh.
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Declan MacManus posted:The Newport News Raiders is pretty thematically fitting Tidewater Ironclads would sound awesome and have lots of logo options, but is way too...well obscure isn't the right word. People just don't know what an ironclad was.
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Sash! posted:Tidewater Ironclads would sound awesome and have lots of logo options, but is way too...well obscure isn't the right word. People just don't know what an ironclad was. Well, not all of us have seen them built in person.
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Sash! posted:Tidewater Ironclads would sound awesome and have lots of logo options, but is way too...well obscure isn't the right word. People just don't know what an ironclad was. You take a boat, you throw some metal on that poo poo, unsinkable civil war vessel, and when two meet up it's kind of like that Bama-LSU game swickles posted:Well, not all of us have seen them built in person. Det is old, Sash is boring, please get your TFF lore straight or Randy Rand will replace you as TFF doctor-in-residence
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It's an up-armored steam boat, basically. edit: It was also a pretty loving rad movie.
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Grittybeard posted:How did no one mention Las Vegas on the last page? The Las Vegas Raiders. 
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Chokes McGee posted:The Las Vegas Raiders. Having the Raiders that far away from any body of water feels wrong, like having the Lakers in LA.
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Las Vegas is right next to a large body of water.  But you're right, it should be the LA Raiders and the Las Vegas Lakers.
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Could any other cities besides New York have a second football team?
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Chicago has the population, but they really, really like the one they already have
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Leperflesh posted:Las Vegas is right next to a large body of water. Huh, well what do you know. I guess I should have said they need to be near the ocean.
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Wilford Cutlery posted:Could any other cities besides New York have a second football team? Doesn't the LA metroplex have over 20 million people? Also you could put 4 teams in London and they can be their own division if population is what you care about.
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Wilford Cutlery posted:Could any other cities besides New York have a second football team? Taken as a whole, the San Francisco Bay Area is smaller (populationwise) than the New York metro area, and it supports two teams. Sort of. I mean, that's what this thread is about, how we sort of support two teams but Oakland can't manage to accomplish things so maybe we actually don't. The LA metro area could support two, I'd think. Maybe Chicago?
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You could put a second team in Pittsburgh, call them the Other Steelers, and have exactly the same uniforms except with the logo on the left side of the helmet. It would take about four weeks for there to be fights in the streets over which Steelers was better.
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Bring back the Steagles. 4 home games at the Linc, 4 at Heinz.
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You start putting teams in Toronto and Montreal and Vancouver and the CFL would wither and die. And then I would start my 3 down letter bomb campaign and the streets would run rouge for a single point.
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Elephanthead posted:Doesn't the LA metroplex have over 20 million people? Also you could put 4 teams in London and they can be their own division if population is what you care about. Ooh, have two in London, one in Paris, and one in the great football loving nation of Spain.
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ROSS MY SALAD posted:Green Bay Wisconsin Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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Stickarts posted:You start putting teams in Toronto and Montreal and Vancouver and the CFL would wither and die. And then I would start my 3 down letter bomb campaign and the streets would run rouge for a single point. If it were possible, I'd love to see the CFL be absorbed by the NFL just because it would be cool to see that happen. But at the same time, the Grey Cup is pretty badass. I think BC, Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec could probably do well fan support wise for the NFL.
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Ribsauce posted:Teams who started out when the NFL was the employees at the local meat packing factory battling the guys from the steel mill down the road do not count. Not only that, but they also have Milwaukee designated as a primary market, played 2-3 home games there for 60 years, and its only 2 Hrs away, which compared to some places in California is nothing.
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